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Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 11:44
by Ruthless-RKO
Considering he gets criticised a lot, Joshua's resume actually looks the most impressive.
He's fought four people currently inside the top 10 and has beaten all of them. In five fights, he's won four and lost the one.
The man in the top 10 with the most wins after AJ is Wilder, who has beaten Luis Ortiz on two separate occasions. He's also obviously got a draw under his belt for when he fought Fury back in 2018.
Behind AJ and Wilder are three fighters, who have all picked up one win apiece. Those three are Dillian Whyte, Ruiz Jr and Joseph Parker.
Whyte has beaten Parker, whilst Ruiz Jr has beaten Joshua and Parker has beaten Ruiz Jr.
Other boxers that make the top 10 without a win against a fellow top 10 heavyweight are Fury, Ortiz, Alexander Povetkin, Michael Hunter and Adam Kownacki.
Fury has drawn one, Ortiz has lost two, Povetkin has drawn one and lost one, Hunter has drawn one and Kownacki has yet to fight a single top 10 heavyweight.
So going off the graphic, maybe boxing fans have been too harsh on Anthony Joshua in recent years. He should be respected for his resume and respected for the fact he takes on the hard fights.
He just needs to get that fight with Wilder or Fury booked later this year!
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 12:08
by Boxtune
Crap post ... whyte, kownacki, difinitly don't belong in that top 10 chart of yours.
Michael hunter still has to prove himself, and andy ruiz showed lucky punchs that landed ( another buster douglas ) and jousua took him lightly ans fought recklessly.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 12:12
by Boxtune
And instead of old Povetkin , i bet Oscar Rivas and Pulev should go there. Rivas almost beat PED cheat version of whyte
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 12:13
by Enlightened-One
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 11:44
Considering he gets criticised a lot, Joshua's resume actually looks the most impressive.
He's fought four people currently inside the top 10 and has beaten all of them. In five fights, he's won four and lost the one.
The man in the top 10 with the most wins after AJ is Wilder, who has beaten Luis Ortiz on two separate occasions. He's also obviously got a draw under his belt for when he fought Fury back in 2018.
Behind AJ and Wilder are three fighters, who have all picked up one win apiece. Those three are Dillian Whyte, Ruiz Jr and Joseph Parker.
Whyte has beaten Parker, whilst Ruiz Jr has beaten Joshua and Parker has beaten Ruiz Jr.
Other boxers that make the top 10 without a win against a fellow top 10 heavyweight are Fury, Ortiz, Alexander Povetkin, Michael Hunter and Adam Kownacki.
Fury has drawn one, Ortiz has lost two, Povetkin has drawn one and lost one, Hunter has drawn one and Kownacki has yet to fight a single top 10 heavyweight.
So going off the graphic, maybe boxing fans have been too harsh on Anthony Joshua in recent years. He should be respected for his resume and respected for the fact he takes on the hard fights.
He just needs to get that fight with Wilder or Fury booked later this year!
To be honest, the image seems incorrect, because the opposition should be evaluated based on their top-ten world ratings (ESPN, The Ring or TBRB) at the time of each bout, not current ranking.
For instance, Oscar Rivas and Dereck Chisora were definitely both top-ten world-rated fighters when they were beaten by Dillian Whyte. For some reason I think Lucas Browne may have been as well.
Bermane Stiverne was definitely a top-ten world rated heavyweight at the time of his bouts against Deontay Wilder. Dominic Breazeale was as well.
Your graphic also excludes numerous opponents that AJ defeated that were also considered top-ten world rated fighters at the time of their bouts.
The same principle applies to Alexander Povetkin as well.
Even though I understand the title of the thread and the context of your chart, you are attempting to evaluate the overall calibre of their resumes, whilst excluding particularly pertinent bouts.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 14:12
by Ruthless-RKO
Boxtune wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 12:08
Crap post ... whyte, kownacki, difinitly don't belong in that top 10 chart of yours.
Michael hunter still has to prove himself, and andy ruiz showed lucky punchs that landed ( another buster douglas ) and jousua took him lightly ans fought recklessly.
This isn’t MY chart. It’s the current top 10 or there abouts.
EO, you are right. But I don’t think Chisora was top 10 at the time Whyte beat him, either time.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 14:13
by Ruthless-RKO
It’s from GiveMeSport.
I posted it just as I was finishing work, didn’t get chance to link it.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 16:20
by Boxtune
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 14:12
Boxtune wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 12:08
Crap post ... whyte, kownacki, difinitly don't belong in that top 10 chart of yours.
Michael hunter still has to prove himself, and andy ruiz showed lucky punchs that landed ( another buster douglas ) and jousua took him lightly ans fought recklessly.
This isn’t MY chart. It’s the current top 10 or there abouts.
which chart , where you found ? Top 10 MY ASS !!!
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 16:41
by gilgamesh
Joshua definitely still has the best resume, which is basically what this thread was trying to say. Don't think we needed the visual aid to see that, but no harm, no foul.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 03 Jan 2020, 17:20
by Ruthless-RKO
Boxtune wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 16:20
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 14:12
This isn’t MY chart. It’s the current top 10 or there abouts.
which chart , where you found ? Top 10 MY ASS !!!
I think the top 10 listed there is from TBRB.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 04 Jan 2020, 04:00
by Heretic
Well that's a shitty top 10 list if I ever saw one.
Kownacki and Hunter over Pulev, Chisora and Usyk
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 04 Jan 2020, 04:18
by Finkel
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 04 Jan 2020, 04:47
by Heretic
Well that explains the paid for feeling the list has.
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 04 Jan 2020, 05:30
by Lennox
If you got to my website you can see the pre fight rankings for his last 20 fights of any fighter in any division for the top 100.
You can also see the pre fight rankings for every world title fight since 1993.
You might not agree with every single position but they will not be more than a couple of places different from the Ring at the top.
www.premierboxingorganisation.com
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 04 Jan 2020, 05:45
by Finkel
Lennox wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 05:30
If you got to my website you can see the pre fight rankings for his last 20 fights of any fighter in any division for the top 100.
You can also see the pre fight rankings for every world title fight since 1993.
You might not agree with every single position but they will not be more than a couple of places different from the Ring at the top.
www.premierboxingorganisation.com
Re: Top 10 heavyweight's head-to-head record
Posted: 04 Jan 2020, 08:18
by pound per pound
The problem with this list is too many older men are on it. A win over Povektin or Ortiz 6 years ago would have meant something.
Wilder hasn't beaten any contenders in their prime that are active today, which I'll define liberally at age 36 or younger. Neither has Fury, though to be fair Fury deserved the decision when he fought Wilder.
Joshua has wins over top guys in their prime. Parker, Ruiz jr, and Wythe. He's by far the most accomplished.