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Ive noticed this long time ago. When you look at UFC cards, you have majority of guys with 170, 185, or even 205 lbs. On the other side, boxing cards are full of lightweights, featherweights, bantamweight and flyweights. Seeing guys bigger than 160 lbs is not so common in boxing, in UFC they are many. Personally, i have no problem watching small guys but i can imagine it is one of the reasons why casual boxing fans switching to mma.

Yes, personally I like seeing fighters above 147. I especially like LHW where there seems to be a good balance of skill and power.

Most casual fans are probably not all that aware of the weight categories.

Especially the huge differences between boxing weights and mma weights (welterweight in mma is more like light heavy in boxing).

lazboy wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 05:55 Yes, personally I like seeing fighters above 147. I especially like LHW where there seems to be a good balance of skill and power.

Ditto, love watching Crusierweights as well. You still see a great level of skill and serious power.

There's too many weight classes IMO, especially at the lower end where there's only 1 or 2kg between classes. Do we really need 4 weight classes between 48 and 52kg? Does 1kg make 'that'much of a difference?

At the other end I think the opposite. The jumps are all 2-3.5kg, until you get to LHW to CW, where the jump is suddenly 12kg.

Verdi wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 07:20 There's too many weight classes IMO, especially at the lower end where there's only 1 or 2kg between classes. Do we really need 4 weight classes between 48 and 52kg? Does 1kg make 'that'much of a difference?

At the other end I think the opposite. The jumps are all 2-3.5kg, until you get to LHW to CW, where the jump is suddenly 12kg.

Of course, you are right in this. But that is not the problem i was talking about. In MMA card, from 10 fights you have 7 fights with guys with at least 155 weightclass. In boxing card , it is common from 10 fights you have 7 fights under 140 lbs

Its not that there are so many weight classes in boxing, it is the fact that there are so many belts for each class that bothers me, and hurts the sport.

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 07:52 Its not that there are so many weight classes in boxing, it is the fact that there are so many belts for each class that bothers me, and hurts the sport.

Agreed.
There are too many weight divisions but the multitude of "world titles" per division is a much bigger problem.
I never have to explain the weight classes to anyone but it's tough to avoid the " how many belts are there" question and impossible to argue the inevitable " that's why boxing is dying" comment.
The sanctioning bodies who create the belts are not the problem.
The fighters who fight for random belts when it's convenient are the problem.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 07:27

Verdi wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 07:20 There's too many weight classes IMO, especially at the lower end where there's only 1 or 2kg between classes. Do we really need 4 weight classes between 48 and 52kg? Does 1kg make 'that'much of a difference?

At the other end I think the opposite. The jumps are all 2-3.5kg, until you get to LHW to CW, where the jump is suddenly 12kg.

Of course, you are right in this. But that is not the problem i was talking about. In MMA card, from 10 fights you have 7 fights with guys with at least 155 weightclass. In boxing card , it is common from 10 fights you have 7 fights under 140 lbs

Sorry, I went off on a bit of a tangent there...

Boxing is a global sport that has been established for more than. century, including having paid and amateur ranks.

By comparison, the UFC is a relatively recent phenomena, where the competitors for this MMA organisation are predominantly from North or South America.

So there’s a huge disparity, globally-speaking, for the available amount of elite-calibre competitors per weight class.

Going off from what EO has said - I wonder what % of boxers are Americans. Whether predominantly boxers are non-Americans as differentiated from the UFC and whether these non-Americans are generally smaller compared to Americans. Maybe smaller sized people has some correlation to impoverished countries and ones that box.

Just a thought. Most athletic and bigger types in the USA tend to get into other more popular sports but this could be also said of everyone in the world. The more athletic types get into more popular sports, which is not boxing it seems.

Does the UFC actually have weight classes covering the whole size spectrum? They are an org not a sport and they don't have to show many little guys if they don't want to. TBH, even a lot of 'hardcore' fans still diss the small guys with nonsense like 'even I could beat them up' or 'I won't watch guys half my weight fight'

At least with the women's MMA they show dudes can get off and stuff

boxingfan5101 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 02:36

Cent0089 wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 05:20 Ive noticed this long time ago. When you look at UFC cards, you have majority of guys with 170, 185, or even 205 lbs. On the other side, boxing cards are full of lightweights, featherweights, bantamweight and flyweights. Seeing guys bigger than 160 lbs is not so common in boxing, in UFC they are many. Personally, i have no problem watching small guys but i can imagine it is one of the reasons why casual boxing fans switching to mma.

There are two excellent heavyweight fighters, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. Both are respectable people outside the ring, inside well... we'll find out soon enough what the results are. Everyone talks crap about Deontay Wilder for swinging for the fences but guess what... he's accurate isn't he? Look at the record closely. Ironically, everyone talks about Tyson Fury getting knocked down twice.... against who?

At Wilder being respectable

Early clubhouse leader for bizarre post of the year.

Heretic wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 03:32

boxingfan5101 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 02:36

There are two excellent heavyweight fighters, Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. Both are respectable people outside the ring, inside well... we'll find out soon enough what the results are. Everyone talks crap about Deontay Wilder for swinging for the fences but guess what... he's accurate isn't he? Look at the record closely. Ironically, everyone talks about Tyson Fury getting knocked down twice.... against who?

At Wilder being respectable

Why?

Most americans are heavyweight, when in reality they should be middleweights

The UFC's best division is 155 and it's not close.

205 always seemed to be the premier division until Jones started dominating it

155 is just a manlet division, filled with 5ft7 wrestlers

keirw wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 06:11 Most casual fans are probably not all that aware of the weight categories.

Especially the huge differences between boxing weights and mma weights (welterweight in mma is more like light heavy in boxing).

This.

I saw one non sports website discuss how Conor Mac bulked up through his UFC career from 145 to 170.

The reality is that he never gained weight, he simply stopped cutting weight.

I chuckle at the state of modern journalism.

tennessee wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 11:46 Most americans are heavyweight, when in reality they should be middleweights

Been saying this for years.

We are an obese nation. Therefore, we follow sports where big people dominate: football and basketball.

I stopped watching baseball once short stops hit 200lbs.

james5000+ wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 16:49
155 is just a manlet division, filled with 5ft7 wrestlers

Which is why it's awesome.

Not too many sports in the US where manlets can make a decent paycheck.

Khabib vs. Jordan Burroughs....please.

Verdi wrote: ↑18 Jan 2020, 07:20 There's too many weight classes IMO, especially at the lower end where there's only 1 or 2kg between classes. Do we really need 4 weight classes between 48 and 52kg? Does 1kg make 'that'much of a difference?

At the other end I think the opposite. The jumps are all 2-3.5kg, until you get to LHW to CW, where the jump is suddenly 12kg.

The alphabelts like it. That just,means,more sanctioning fees for them.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 07:02

Heretic wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 03:32



At Wilder being respectable

Why?

"I want to kill someone in the ring"

"look how hard I hit" Line up a mascot...

"Look I can even beat mentally challenged people" Line up Zelenoff...

The guy is a fornicating idiot. Hard to respect that

Heretic wrote: ↑20 Jan 2020, 05:59

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑19 Jan 2020, 07:02
Why?

"I want to kill someone in the ring"

"look how hard I hit" Line up a mascot...

"Look I can even beat mentally challenged people" Line up Zelenoff...

The guy is a fornicating idiot. Hard to respect that

None of that bothers me a bit.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Jan 2020, 06:10

Heretic wrote: ↑20 Jan 2020, 05:59

"I want to kill someone in the ring"

"look how hard I hit" Line up a mascot...

"Look I can even beat mentally challenged people" Line up Zelenoff...

The guy is a fornicating idiot. Hard to respect that

None of that bothers me a bit.

Sounds like your definition of respectable is bit different than mine