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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39 Gennady Golovkin has emerged victorious in 21 world middleweight title bouts but has only defeated eight fighters that were rated amongst the top-ten by The RING and ESPN, with only four of them rated in the top five.

These include:

• Daniel Jacobs (3rd)
• Daniel Geale (3rd)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (5th)
• David Lemieux (5th)
• Martin Murray (7th)
• Matthew Macklin (7th)
• Marco Antonio Rubio (8th)
• Grzegorz Proksa (10th)

I’d say that the Daniel Jacobs bout was Golovkin’s best “win”, though the decision could have gone either way (the same applies for the Derevyanchenko fight).

It could easily be argued that Golovkin’s career-best performance was delivered in the first Canelo bout.

I hate to say this, but if GGG faces the likes of Canelo, Jacobs or Derevyanchenko this year, then I’d favour all three guys to beat the current iteration of Golovkin.

GGG has been a fantastic fighter to watch, because his bouts are always action-packed and highly-enjoyable, but unfortunately his best days are behind him.

Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39 Gennady Golovkin has emerged victorious in 21 world middleweight title bouts but has only defeated eight fighters that were rated amongst the top-ten by The RING and ESPN, with only four of them rated in the top five.

These include:

• Daniel Jacobs (3rd)
• Daniel Geale (3rd)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (5th)
• David Lemieux (5th)
• Martin Murray (7th)
• Matthew Macklin (7th)
• Marco Antonio Rubio (8th)
• Grzegorz Proksa (10th)

I’d say that the Daniel Jacobs bout was Golovkin’s best “win”, though the decision could have gone either way (the same applies for the Derevyanchenko fight).

It could easily be argued that Golovkin’s career-best performance was delivered in the first Canelo bout.

I hate to say this, but if GGG faces the likes of Canelo, Jacobs or Derevyanchenko this year, then I’d favour all three guys to beat the current iteration of Golovkin.

GGG has been a fantastic fighter to watch, because his bouts are always action-packed and highly-enjoyable, but unfortunately his best days are behind him.

Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 11:23

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.

Murata, Eubank Jr and Munguia could be good fights for Golovkin at his age.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:16 Lol, I'll give you that he deserved the first Canelo fight, but Canelo absolutely won the 2nd legit, come on fanbois

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:19 Nah, Canelo won the 2nd fight for sure.

Also I wouldn't have Ouma in the top 5, Ouma was well shopworn and small for the weight. Plus GGG did not look good, though it has been exaggerated how tough the fight was for him.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 11:34

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 10:39 Gennady Golovkin has emerged victorious in 21 world middleweight title bouts but has only defeated eight fighters that were rated amongst the top-ten by The RING and ESPN, with only four of them rated in the top five.

These include:

• Daniel Jacobs (3rd)
• Daniel Geale (3rd)
• Sergiy Derevyanchenko (5th)
• David Lemieux (5th)
• Martin Murray (7th)
• Matthew Macklin (7th)
• Marco Antonio Rubio (8th)
• Grzegorz Proksa (10th)

I’d say that the Daniel Jacobs bout was Golovkin’s best “win”, though the decision could have gone either way (the same applies for the Derevyanchenko fight).

It could easily be argued that Golovkin’s career-best performance was delivered in the first Canelo bout.

I hate to say this, but if GGG faces the likes of Canelo, Jacobs or Derevyanchenko this year, then I’d favour all three guys to beat the current iteration of Golovkin.

GGG has been a fantastic fighter to watch, because his bouts are always action-packed and highly-enjoyable, but unfortunately his best days are behind him.

Golovkin should now be considered ready-for-the taking, hence the reason why he wisely chooses to engage in “safe” stay-busy easy bouts against the likes of Szeremeta, Rolls, Martirosyan and Wade, whilst waiting for opportunities to participate in a big-money fights.

8 out of 21 is actually not that bad I think, considering how the ABC rankings are, but what's most striking is that guys like David Lemieux were as high as 5th. The division simply was pretty weak for a lot of GGG's time.

It's unfortunate he never had fights with the likes of Jermaine Taylor, Sergio, Pavlik, Abraham, etc. He would have won at least some of those I think, but you gotta fight the fights

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:10

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 11:23 Murata, Eubank Jr and Munguia could be good fights for Golovkin at his age.

I agree. Those would be well-paid relatively low-risk bouts for the current past-his-prime version of Golovkin.

And to be fair, all three of these guys you’ve listed would probably be classed amongst GGG’s top-eight career-best victories, which would be a huge accomplishment for a veteran on the cusp of turning 38 years of age.

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:36Actually when G fought Lemieux the mw division was stacked!

Saul Alvarez, Champion

Gennady Golovkin
Daniel Jacobs
Billy Joe Saunders
David Lemieux
Andy Lee
Peter Quillin
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
Chris Eubank Jr
Daniel Geale
Michel Soro

Of course that G fought the top guys from this list but unfortunately it happened when he started to age.

Unfortunately G became the fully WBA champion in 2014. So the time span to grow in popularity was too short for G considering his age at that time and also he was seen as a high risk and low reward fighter.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:12 They should do Murata out of the relatively low risk options, though GGG did look pretty vulnerable last fight so not sure the risk is even that low these days. Stylistically that is a slobber knocker and of course there is the unification angle (though does Murata just have the subordinate belt?)

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:13 Canelo 1
Jacobs
Lemieux
Derevo
Canelo 2

DrDuke wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:13 Objectively:

1. Canelo II
2. Canelo I
3. Jacobs
4. Brook
5. Lemieux

According to the results in the official record:

1. Jacobs
2. Derevyanchenko
3. Brook
4. Lemieux
5. Ouma

DrDuke wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:24

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:19 Nah, Canelo won the 2nd fight for sure.

Also I wouldn't have Ouma in the top 5, Ouma was well shopworn and small for the weight. Plus GGG did not look good, though it has been exaggerated how tough the fight was for him.

GGG outlanded Canelo in the second bout, while he totally outjabbed him. I don't know, based on what Canelo can be picked.

I'd say, Ouma was still there at that point. Anyway it was tough fight for GGG and he managed to pull out a victory. That's why I name it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:48

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:36Actually when G fought Lemieux the mw division was stacked!

Saul Alvarez, Champion

Gennady Golovkin
Daniel Jacobs
Billy Joe Saunders
David Lemieux
Andy Lee
Peter Quillin
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
Chris Eubank Jr
Daniel Geale
Michel Soro

Of course that G fought the top guys from this list but unfortunately it happened when he started to age.

Unfortunately G became the fully WBA champion in 2014. So the time span to grow in popularity was too short for G considering his age at that time and also he was seen as a high risk and low reward fighter.

Golovkin only fought four of those fighters you listed and GGG has been a top-ten world-rated fighter since 2008, captured his first world title during 2010 and made his debut with HBO in September 2012.

Gennady Golovkin was far more popular in 2013 than most of the marquee names that competed that year. His bout against Curtis Stevens received the third highest views of all the non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year.

GGG’s average 1.25m US viewership figures during 2013 also far exceeded the vast majority of the 40 fighters that competed in the top 25 most viewed non-PPV HBO & Showtime cable fights televised that year (ahead of the likes of Timothy Bradley, Bernard Hopkins, Andre Ward and Nonito Donaire).

2.5m Americans watched GGG engage in two live non-PPV bouts during 2013 (Curtis Stevens 1.4m & Matthew Macklin 1.1m). The only fighters to surpass this figure were Adrien Broner (2.7m = Gavin Rees 1.4m + Paul Malignaggi 1.3m) and Adonis Stevenson (3.5m = Tony Bellew 1.3m, Tavoris Cloud 1.2m & Chad Dawson 1m).

These are the facts and figures, so make of them what you will.

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 13:48

DrDuke wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:24

GGG outlanded Canelo in the second bout, while he totally outjabbed him. I don't know, based on what Canelo can be picked.

I'd say, Ouma was still there at that point. Anyway it was tough fight for GGG and he managed to pull out a victory. That's why I name it.

I think it was G's one of the toughest fights considering he was in bad condition.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 15:02

apollo creed wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 13:48

I think it was G's one of the toughest fights considering he was in bad condition.

I would say that now it is the third toughest fight. If I had to rank the toughest ones, it would be

1. Derevo
2. Canelo 2
3. Ouma
4. Canelo 1
5. Jacobs

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Jan 2020, 12:13 Canelo 1
Jacobs
Lemieux
Derevo
Canelo 2