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"World Boxing Council Top Ten WBC Cruiserweight Champions of all-time"

Here's a list of the WBC's top-ten world cruiserweight champions of all time:

1. Evander Holyfield (US)
2. Zsolt Erdei (Hungary)
3. Juan Carlos Gomez (Cuba-Germany)
4. Krzystof Wlodarczyk (Poland)
5. Tony Bellew (GB)
6. Carlos De Leon (P. Rico)
7. Wayne Braithwaite (Guyana)
8. Grigory Drozd (Russia)
9. Anaclet Wamba (France)
10. Jean-Marc Mormeck (France)

Thoughts?

Bad list.

USYK ?

First thought is whom is the moron that came up with that? Secondly, erdei?

Replace Bellew with Haye.. Bellew didn't even defend it. He vacated. At least Haye was unified.

Usyk should at least be on there..

Obviously, the list if for WBC titleholders ONLY, which is why tonnes of guys are missing.

Big truck is higher than mormeck? No oneillbell who beat mormeck to unify???

No usyk?

Wait, Erdei won exactly one fight as a cruiser weight against Giacobbe Fragomeni and he’s the second best cruiser weight ever? Really? And even that was a “German decision.”

This might be a joke..........
Without Haye and Usyk ?

No KSI?

lazboy wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:23No KSI?

Has he won the WBC belt?

The actual list of WBC champions in this weight should look like this:

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. David Haye
4. Carlos De Leon
5. Mairis Briedis
6. Jean-Marc Mormeck
7. O'Neil Bell
8. Tony Bellew
9. Grigory Drozd
10. Krzysztof Włodarczyk

Briedis should be up to the 4th place after he wins Dorticos.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:48 The actual list of WBC champions in this weight should look like this:

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. David Haye
4. Carlos De Leon
5. Mairis Briedis
6. Jean-Marc Mormeck
7. O'Neil Bell
8. Tony Bellew
9. Grigory Drozd
10. Krzysztof Włodarczyk

Briedis should be up to the 4th place after he wins Dorticos.

That's definitely better, but bellew doesn't belong.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 15:21

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:48 The actual list of WBC champions in this weight should look like this:

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. David Haye
4. Carlos De Leon
5. Mairis Briedis
6. Jean-Marc Mormeck
7. O'Neil Bell
8. Tony Bellew
9. Grigory Drozd
10. Krzysztof Włodarczyk

Briedis should be up to the 4th place after he wins Dorticos.

That's definitely better, but bellew doesn't belong.

Drozd and Włod higher than Bellew. Drozd won the belt of a champion. Didn’t Włod have a decent reign.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 15:43

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 15:21

That's definitely better, but bellew doesn't belong.

Drozd and Włod higher than Bellew. Drozd won the belt of a champion. Didn’t Włod have a decent reign.

Without looking it up I believe he did. If you're going with a 1 or 2 fight guy someone like st Gordon would rate over Tony.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:48 The actual list of WBC champions in this weight should look like this:

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. David Haye
4. Carlos De Leon
5. Mairis Briedis
6. Jean-Marc Mormeck
7. O'Neil Bell
8. Tony Bellew
9. Grigory Drozd
10. Krzysztof Włodarczyk

Briedis should be up to the 4th place after he wins Dorticos.

Is there a reason why you’ve excluded the WBC’s cruiserweight champions prior to 2005 (except for Carlos De Leon and Evander Holyfield)?

The WBC world cruiserweight title has been around since 1979.

Is it an age-related thing, where you’re simply more familiar with fighters that competed within the last fifteen years or so (barring a couple of Hall-of-Famers that continue to receive a lot of media coverage today)?

On a separate note, in the context of WBC title defences, the names you’ve listed are seriously lacking WBC championship bouts (i.e. Holyfield never defended his belt and other names in your list only competed in a couple of title fights).

For instance, Juan Carlos Gomez competed in ten WBC world cruiserweight title bouts, but he’s not included in your list.

Good catch eo, I didn't notice he dropped Gomez.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 16:06

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:48 The actual list of WBC champions in this weight should look like this:

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Oleksandr Usyk
3. David Haye
4. Carlos De Leon
5. Mairis Briedis
6. Jean-Marc Mormeck
7. O'Neil Bell
8. Tony Bellew
9. Grigory Drozd
10. Krzysztof Włodarczyk

Briedis should be up to the 4th place after he wins Dorticos.

Is there a reason why you’ve excluded the WBC’s cruiserweight champions prior to 2005 (except for Carlos De Leon and Evander Holyfield)?

The WBC world cruiserweight title has been around since 1979.

Is it an age-related thing, where you’re simply more familiar with fighters that competed within the last fifteen years or so (barring a couple of Hall-of-Famers that continue to receive a lot of media coverage today)?

On a separate note, in the context of WBC title defences, the names you’ve listed are seriously lacking WBC championship bouts (i.e. Holyfield never defended his belt and other names in your list only competed in a couple of title fights).

For instance, Juan Carlos Gomez competed in ten WBC world cruiserweight title bouts, but he’s not included in your list.

Maybe because the cruisers were nearly dead for long time? Gomez' resume is much worse, than anyone's from the list, despite having a prolonged reign. What's value in that reign? He faced much lower level of opposition. By the way, I became a boxing fan in the mid 2000s indeed, but here it's pure coincidence.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:43

lazboy wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 04:23No KSI?

Has he won the WBC belt?

I wasn’t being serious

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 18:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 16:06
Is there a reason why you’ve excluded the WBC’s cruiserweight champions prior to 2005 (except for Carlos De Leon and Evander Holyfield)?

The WBC world cruiserweight title has been around since 1979.

Is it an age-related thing, where you’re simply more familiar with fighters that competed within the last fifteen years or so (barring a couple of Hall-of-Famers that continue to receive a lot of media coverage today)?

On a separate note, in the context of WBC title defences, the names you’ve listed are seriously lacking WBC championship bouts (i.e. Holyfield never defended his belt and other names in your list only competed in a couple of title fights).

For instance, Juan Carlos Gomez competed in ten WBC world cruiserweight title bouts, but he’s not included in your list.

Maybe because the cruisers were nearly dead for long time? Gomez' resume is much worse, than anyone's from the list, despite having a prolonged reign. What's value in that reign? He faced much lower level of opposition. By the way, I became a boxing fan in the mid 2000s indeed, but here it's pure coincidence.

St Gordon knocked out your #4. How is that not better than makabu and bj Flores?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 18:46 St Gordon knocked out your #4. How is that not better than makabu and bj Flores?

Flores win, of course, wasn't something special, but Makabu win is very good. It wasn't that big by the moment of happening, how it is big now. Makabu himself is likely to make this list in the future.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 03:30

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 18:46 St Gordon knocked out your #4. How is that not better than makabu and bj Flores?

Flores win, of course, wasn't something special, but Makabu win is very good. It wasn't that big by the moment of happening, how it is big now. Makabu himself is likely to make this list in the future.

How can it be bigger than beating your #4? Are you one of those whose lists are facts? Not that this list is important, but this is obviously wrong.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 05:22

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 03:30

Flores win, of course, wasn't something special, but Makabu win is very good. It wasn't that big by the moment of happening, how it is big now. Makabu himself is likely to make this list in the future.

How can it be bigger than beating your #4? Are you one of those whose lists are facts? Not that this list is important, but this is obviously wrong.

You can't be that mathematical all the time. First of all, it was an avenged loss. Secondly, something tells me, that everybody of my list and even a lot of the others out of it would whoop St Gordon. It's like rating Ruiz above Fury, Wilder, Whyte, Povetkin, etc just because he won Joshua once.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 08:56

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 05:22

How can it be bigger than beating your #4? Are you one of those whose lists are facts? Not that this list is important, but this is obviously wrong.

You can't be that mathematical all the time. First of all, it was an avenged loss. Secondly, something tells me, that everybody of my list and even a lot of the others out of it would whoop St Gordon. It's like rating Ruiz above Fury, Wilder, Whyte, Povetkin, etc just because he won Joshua once.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 11:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 08:56

You can't be that mathematical all the time. First of all, it was an avenged loss. Secondly, something tells me, that everybody of my list and even a lot of the others out of it would whoop St Gordon. It's like rating Ruiz above Fury, Wilder, Whyte, Povetkin, etc just because he won Joshua once.

What an argument.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 18:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 16:06
Is there a reason why you’ve excluded the WBC’s cruiserweight champions prior to 2005 (except for Carlos De Leon and Evander Holyfield)?

The WBC world cruiserweight title has been around since 1979.

Is it an age-related thing, where you’re simply more familiar with fighters that competed within the last fifteen years or so (barring a couple of Hall-of-Famers that continue to receive a lot of media coverage today)?

On a separate note, in the context of WBC title defences, the names you’ve listed are seriously lacking WBC championship bouts (i.e. Holyfield never defended his belt and other names in your list only competed in a couple of title fights).

For instance, Juan Carlos Gomez competed in ten WBC world cruiserweight title bouts, but he’s not included in your list.

Maybe because the cruisers were nearly dead for long time? Gomez' resume is much worse, than anyone's from the list, despite having a prolonged reign. What's value in that reign? He faced much lower level of opposition. By the way, I became a boxing fan in the mid 2000s indeed, but here it's pure coincidence.

I don’t want to sound argumentative, but I have to disagree with your response.

Do you honestly believe that Juan Carlos Gomez has a vastly inferior resume than every single one the names you've listed, or will you concede that your knowledge of the cruiserweight division prior to the mid-2000’s is negligible?

Put it this way, here’s a summary of Juan Carlos Gomez’s career highlights

• Compiled an amateur Record: 158-12
• Gold medallist at the World Junior Championships and Cuban Nationals
• Thirteen of his opponents had previously fought for other versions of world titles
• James Toney declined a title shot at Juan Carlos Gomez's WBC world cruiserweight title, despite being the mandatory challenger
• Faced six world champions and defeated five of them (Marcelo Fabian Dominguez, Imamu Mayfield, Jorge Castro, Alfred Cole, Oliver McCall & Vitali Klitschko)
• Had compiled a professional record of 44-1 immediately prior to his failed attempt at Vitali Klitschko’s WBC world heavyweight title
• Emerged victorious in all ten of his WBC world cruiserweight title fights, during a title regin that spanned four years
• The first sixteen years of Juan Carlos Gomez's 49-2 (eleven world title bouts) professional career was absolutely outstanding!
• Considered by the WBC as their third greatest ever world cruiserweight champion

If you’re unimpressed with the above accomplishments and adamantly believe your claim to be true, then can you please explain your reasoning?

The WBC world cruiserweight title has existed since 1979 and only 22 men have ever held it, so on earth can you fail to include Juan Carlos Gomez amongst the WBC's all-time top-ten titleholders list?