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90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 06:17
by Winter king
I think for etc Derek Chisora-David Tua would be a great fight too. This probably alread been done so spare me those comments im just bored with the current threads.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 06:43
by DrDuke
No, the 90s were better. The best guys of the 90s could easily compete with the best of the 70s, which is considered to be the golden era.
The today's three kings, Fury, Wilder and Joshua, didn't do enough up to the date to be compared with the best guys of the 90s - prime Lewis, Holyfield and Bowe. There also was Tyson, who was already was past it in the 90s, but also was a dangerous force.
The second tier of the 90s was also better overall. Even in your comparison of Tua with Chisora I'll confidently pick Tua. Chisora is a tough fighter, but Tua was more skilled and had great delivering skills. Chisora is a no defensive wizard to avoid Tua's left hook. It can go competetive at the first stages, but then Tua would smash Chisora.
All in all, I'd put the guys, like Moorer, Mercer, Morrison, Tua, Ruddock, Ibeabuchi, Bruno, over the today's 2nd tier. Only Povetkin, Whyte and Ortiz can be comparable, I'd say. But, again, up to the daye.
The today's guys still have something to prove, that's an important point.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 07:40
by Paci
I do think this current crop will be legendary and it gonna outshine the 90s at least when it comes to great matchups. The politic side sucks but at least now promotors are making fights happen.
The era has just started in my eyes.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 07:46
by Onetimeonly
Paci wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 07:40
I do think this current crop will be legendary and it gonna outshine the 90s at least when it comes to great matchups. The politic side sucks but at least now promotors are making fights happen.
The era has just started in my eyes.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 08:07
by DrDuke
Fury-Wilder-Joshua trio is likely to become legendary, but hardly it reaches Lewis-Holyfield-Bowe level.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 08:29
by Paci
If Im wrong, Im wrong. But never seen this many big talented guys coming up or being around before.
Btw Bowe ain't got that many names on his resumé when you look at it. Three wars with Holyfield was his magnus opus more or less in the ring. Afterwords he was done.
And if AJ was an american most of the yanks would have screamed that he was the second coming or something.
Lets just wait and see what happens during this coming decade. And shove it in my face if I get it all wrong.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 10:30
by RonnyJ
DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 08:07
Fury-Wilder-Joshua trio is likely to become legendary, but hardly it reaches Lewis-Holyfield-Bowe level.
Lewis was good at beating smaller heavyweights. Holyfield had trouble with tall strong heavyweights. Tyson was past it.
Fury and wilder suck. But they good enough beating the much smaller holyfield. LL is arguably the best hw ever. But against pre loss joshua he wouldve had problems.
The hws from 90s were to small for todays hws. Makhmodov punches arguably as hard as wilder and stands like 6'7. Ajagba has crazy power and reach.
Usyk is so good, that he beats everybody.
All in all heavyweights are overrated regardless of which era. Ali who is considered the GOAT of boxing by media and casuals isnt even in my top 10 atg p4p. He is far away from the skill talent level prime jones or prime loma had.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 11:17
by Duran1970
The heavys of the 90s were not too small for today's giants....
Holyfield had trouble with tall strong heavys?...see Valuev.
Bowe Holyfield Tyson Lewis would've handled these big bums today..
Lewis is not the best heavyweight ever and usyk doesn't beat everybody
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 11:50
by Finkel
There is a bigger height difference between Fury and Tyson, than between Haye and Valuev
Tyson would need to adopt the dragon punch as an effective upper cut in the modern era
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 12:34
by Syntax Error
Razor Ruddock V Deontay Wilder.
Both one dimensional with demonic one shot signature punches.
Both are pretty tough and can fight through adversity.
I'd probably lean towards Wilder, but Ruddock did fight better opposition, so was more seasoned.
PS: I would have picked the 80s Ruddock to win as he was a good boxer with decent movement, but after the Dokes fight in '90 he became one dimensional and wedded to his hybrid upper cum hook smash punch he perfected.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 12:38
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Who wins prime oliver mccall vs wilder
Mccall has one of the greatest chins in history
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 12:53
by Syntax Error
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 12:38
Who wins prime oliver mccall vs wilder
Mccall has one of the greatest chins in history
Now that's a question; the ultimate irresistible force versus immovable object.
If there is anyone that could crack McCall, it's probably Wilder, but I would always back McCall.
To say he had an incredible chin would be an understatement.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 12:56
by DrDuke
Syntax Error wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 12:34
Razor Ruddock V Deontay Wilder.
Both one dimensional with demonic one shot signature punches.
Both are pretty tough and can fight through adversity.
I'd probably lean towards Wilder, but Ruddock did fight better opposition, so was more seasoned.
PS: I would have picked the 80s Ruddock to win as he was a good boxer with decent movement, but after the Dokes fight in '90 he became one dimensional and wedded to his hybrid upper cum hook smash punch he perfected.
Wilder has an advantage over Ruddock. It's his length. He movement and jab are better, so he uses his length pretty good. Wilder's timing is better too. Wilder would KO Ruddock in 6 or so.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 13:32
by littlepug
Today’s heavies are gonna have to do a lot more to compete with the 90s boys, the 90s has countless great matchups, today you’ve got the potential of a half decent round robin and that’s it
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 14:28
by Onetimeonly
RonnyJ wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:30
DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 08:07
Fury-Wilder-Joshua trio is likely to become legendary, but hardly it reaches Lewis-Holyfield-Bowe level.
Lewis was good at beating smaller heavyweights. Holyfield had trouble with tall strong heavyweights. Tyson was past it.
Fury and wilder suck. But they good enough beating the much smaller holyfield. LL is arguably the best hw ever. But against pre loss joshua he wouldve had problems.
The hws from 90s were to small for todays hws. Makhmodov punches arguably as hard as wilder and stands like 6'7. Ajagba has crazy power and reach.
Usyk is so good, that he beats everybody.
All in all heavyweights are overrated regardless of which era. Ali who is considered the GOAT of boxing by media and casuals isnt even in my top 10 atg p4p. He is far away from the skill talent level prime jones or prime loma had.
This is why you could never be considered an expert or even adequate.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 16:27
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Watch ali and how fast his hands and feet are in his prime. Then watch wilder struggle with basic movement against spilzka or joshua be befuddled by ruiz handspeed.
Its asinine to think the fighters of yesterday have no chance
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 16:43
by Onetimeonly
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 16:27
Watch ali and how fast his hands and feet are in his prime. Then watch wilder struggle with basic movement against spilzka or joshua be befuddled by ruiz handspeed.
Its asinine to think the fighters of yesterday have no chance
They were big dudes anyway. I don't like Bob Fitzsimmons against wilder, Frazier would slaughter him.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 17:49
by Heretic
Here we go again with the rose tinted shades
I don't think that Bowe was that great. Golota was beating him twice before going full retard in the matches. Golota got beaten pretty easily by the other greats of the era.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 18:40
by Duran1970
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 14:28
RonnyJ wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:30
Lewis was good at beating smaller heavyweights. Holyfield had trouble with tall strong heavyweights. Tyson was past it.
Fury and wilder suck. But they good enough beating the much smaller holyfield. LL is arguably the best hw ever. But against pre loss joshua he wouldve had problems.
The hws from 90s were to small for todays hws. Makhmodov punches arguably as hard as wilder and stands like 6'7. Ajagba has crazy power and reach.
Usyk is so good, that he beats everybody.
All in all heavyweights are overrated regardless of which era. Ali who is considered the GOAT of boxing by media and casuals isnt even in my top 10 atg p4p. He is far away from the skill talent level prime jones or prime loma had.
This is why you could never be considered an expert or even adequate.
X2
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 18:54
by lazboy
From my perspective the 90's heavyweight seem better - no disrespect to the current HW, I can appreciate I may have rose tinted glasses.
Its been discussed before and recently but output is the major difference in my eyes. Without elaborating I'm thinking this has to do with popularity of the sport and it's attraction to the best athletes and trainers. I also think roids plays a factor. Also perhaps the average size of the 90's crop is a little smaller than those currently or if not smaller, less body fat percentage.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 19:23
by Onetimeonly
lazboy wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 18:54
From my perspective the 90's heavyweight seem better - no disrespect to the current HW, I can appreciate I may have rose tinted glasses.
Its been discussed before and recently but output is the major difference in my eyes. Without elaborating I'm thinking this has to do with popularity of the sport and it's attraction to the best athletes and trainers. I also think roids plays a factor. Also perhaps the average size of the 90's crop is a little smaller than those currently or if not smaller, less body fat percentage.
One thing that isn't rose tinted. The fights were much better with a rare exception like an/glad.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 01 Feb 2020, 20:20
by lazboy
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 19:23
lazboy wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 18:54
From my perspective the 90's heavyweight seem better - no disrespect to the current HW, I can appreciate I may have rose tinted glasses.
Its been discussed before and recently but output is the major difference in my eyes. Without elaborating I'm thinking this has to do with popularity of the sport and it's attraction to the best athletes and trainers. I also think roids plays a factor. Also perhaps the average size of the 90's crop is a little smaller than those currently or if not smaller, less body fat percentage.
One thing that isn't rose tinted. The fights were much better with a rare exception like an/glad.
Agree, they were.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 02 Feb 2020, 21:53
by jamesmcdonnell
RonnyJ wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:30
DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 08:07
Fury-Wilder-Joshua trio is likely to become legendary, but hardly it reaches Lewis-Holyfield-Bowe level.
Lewis was good at beating smaller heavyweights. Holyfield had trouble with tall strong heavyweights. Tyson was past it.
Fury and wilder suck. But they good enough beating the much smaller holyfield. LL is arguably the best hw ever. But against pre loss joshua he wouldve had problems.
The hws from 90s were to small for todays hws. Makhmodov punches arguably as hard as wilder and stands like 6'7. Ajagba has crazy power and reach.
Usyk is so good, that he beats everybody.
All in all heavyweights are overrated regardless of which era. Ali who is considered the GOAT of boxing by media and casuals isnt even in my top 10 atg p4p. He is far away from the skill talent level prime jones or prime loma had.
WTF are you on?
Lewis destroyed Golota, ruddock and Michael grant, all 3 huge men.
Wilder can punch, but he sucks balls technically, Lewis would have eaten him alive, bowe too, Ali would have made him look like a fool.
Re: 90s heavy weights todays equivalent?
Posted: 02 Feb 2020, 21:59
by jamesmcdonnell
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑02 Feb 2020, 21:53
RonnyJ wrote: ↑01 Feb 2020, 10:30
Lewis was good at beating smaller heavyweights. Holyfield had trouble with tall strong heavyweights. Tyson was past it.
Fury and wilder suck. But they good enough beating the much smaller holyfield. LL is arguably the best hw ever. But against pre loss joshua he wouldve had problems.
The hws from 90s were to small for todays hws. Makhmodov punches arguably as hard as wilder and stands like 6'7. Ajagba has crazy power and reach.
Usyk is so good, that he beats everybody.
All in all heavyweights are overrated regardless of which era. Ali who is considered the GOAT of boxing by media and casuals isnt even in my top 10 atg p4p. He is far away from the skill talent level prime jones or prime loma had.
WTF are you on?
Lewis destroyed Golota, ruddock and Michael grant, all 3 huge men.
Wilder can punch, but he sucks balls technically, Lewis would have eaten him alive, bowe too, Ali would have made him look like a fool.
WTF has usyk done that makes him the greatest heavyweight of all time.
You need to put down the pipe homie, that shits rotting your mind.