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Ricky wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 20:48 Is it simply fashionable to shït on his skillset outwith his punching power? Here's a clue, there's no power without form. He could easily beat Fury on points on Saturday if he doesn't completely flatten him.

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 22:14 He's genuinely a terrible 'boxer'. Haven''t you watched him? He got outboxed by Szpilka before he KO'd him, and Szpilka was always crap. Ortiz and Fury are both fantastic boxers: Wilder only hangs with them because of his power and his chin.

C'mon, man. Let's look at somebody like... Say Carl Froch? Quite slow, terrible defence, poor footwork, not even special power. He wasn't the best boxer was he? What he had was an iron chin and an unrelenting desire to dig in. These are the 'intangibles' that made Froch what he was.

It's obvious that Wilder's intangible' is his power and whether or not he can land it. But he's a poor boxer, and Fury is a very good boxer. Wilder just loses round after round. Even against Washington, he dropped rounds.

He's not a good boxer at all.

He's the definition of a puncher.

Ricky wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 22:38

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 22:14 He's genuinely a terrible 'boxer'. Haven''t you watched him? He got outboxed by Szpilka before he KO'd him, and Szpilka was always crap. Ortiz and Fury are both fantastic boxers: Wilder only hangs with them because of his power and his chin.

C'mon, man. Let's look at somebody like... Say Carl Froch? Quite slow, terrible defence, poor footwork, not even special power. He wasn't the best boxer was he? What he had was an iron chin and an unrelenting desire to dig in. These are the 'intangibles' that made Froch what he was.

It's obvious that Wilder's intangible' is his power and whether or not he can land it. But he's a poor boxer, and Fury is a very good boxer. Wilder just loses round after round. Even against Washington, he dropped rounds.

He's not a good boxer at all.

He's the definition of a puncher.

Fury isn't a good boxer, infact, if anyone benefits from physical gifts it's Fury, not Wilder. When you are 6ft 9, leaning back, and pawing out a jab on the end of a 7 foot reach it makes you quite a bit harder to hit. It's laughable people think this guy istechnically gifted, he looks like a drunk, fat uncle at a party who's had too many pints and tries to do impressions of Mayweather out the back garden.

You talk about Wilder being outboxed by Ortiz, granted he did, but Ortiz (other than Usyk) is probably the most schooled heavyweight in the last decade. Tyson Fury got outboxed by John McDermott.

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 21:31 He'll always have his detracters. I think he's improved and I've been ridiculed for that view. He's learned to look for his shots and not force them. He learned to jab and pivot to better setup his shots. He throws his big right down the middle and no longer windmills. I'm sure an obnoxious poster or two will have their say on this.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 05:40 Wilders' boxing ability isn't underrated. He’s simply a one trick pony, but it’s one helluva trick to have!

He just has a natural ability for knocking people out and he's become overly reliant on it, hence the reason why he has failed to fully develop fundamentally-sound pugilistic skills.

We’ve seen him out boxed during lengthy spells by the likes of Szpilka, Washington, Ortiz (twice) and Fury.

He’s also extremely crude and clumsy when he goes in for the kill. He loses composure when he’s either put under pressure or becomes overly-excited about an opportunity to stop the fight, which compels him to start blindly flailing looping hooks.

Wilder’s defence is also extremely porous, hence the reason why we’ve seen him wobbled on many occasions.

His main strategy for avoiding taking shots from his opponents is to use his legs and lateral movement to stay out of punching range, but he doesn’t know how to effectively use his guard when he’s on the inside or tie up his opponents.

There’s no denying that Wilder is extremely effective at what he does, but his boxing skills definitely aren’t underrated.

And to be perfectly honest, that’s fine by me, because his fights are usually exciting and his unorthodox clumsy style, speed, size and athleticism has allowed him to achieve a great amount of success in the sport.

The problem with Wilder though, is that he’ll likely become a shot fighter overnight, much akin to Roy Jones’ Jr., because he won’t possess the boxing acumen, skills and experience to adapt his style to cater for his ageing body. He'll start losing badly the very moment he slows down.

So I think he’s only got a couple of years left in him.

keirw wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 06:29Fury has a great ring sense and good defensive reflexes. Although, he tends to throw arm punches more often than not.

keirw wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 06:29 Neither Wilder or Fury are technically sound boxers, really.

Fury has a great ring sense and good defensive reflexes. Although, he tends to throw arm punches more often than not.

Wilder has power and natural speed, however, he often struggles to find his range and timing, thus tending to drop rounds whilst waiting for opportunities to land.

Both men have developed styles that make the most of their natural attributes and are both difficult to beat for differing reasons.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 06:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 05:40 Wilders' boxing ability isn't underrated. He’s simply a one trick pony, but it’s one helluva trick to have!

He just has a natural ability for knocking people out and he's become overly reliant on it, hence the reason why he has failed to fully develop fundamentally-sound pugilistic skills.

We’ve seen him out boxed during lengthy spells by the likes of Szpilka, Washington, Ortiz (twice) and Fury.

He’s also extremely crude and clumsy when he goes in for the kill. He loses composure when he’s either put under pressure or becomes overly-excited about an opportunity to stop the fight, which compels him to start blindly flailing looping hooks.

Wilder’s defence is also extremely porous, hence the reason why we’ve seen him wobbled on many occasions.

His main strategy for avoiding taking shots from his opponents is to use his legs and lateral movement to stay out of punching range, but he doesn’t know how to effectively use his guard when he’s on the inside or tie up his opponents.

There’s no denying that Wilder is extremely effective at what he does, but his boxing skills definitely aren’t underrated.

And to be perfectly honest, that’s fine by me, because his fights are usually exciting and his unorthodox clumsy style, speed, size and athleticism has allowed him to achieve a great amount of success in the sport.

The problem with Wilder though, is that he’ll likely become a shot fighter overnight, much akin to Roy Jones’ Jr., because he won’t possess the boxing acumen, skills and experience to adapt his style to cater for his ageing body. He'll start losing badly the very moment he slows down.

So I think he’s only got a couple of years left in him.

Holy poo. I actually agreed with everything you wrote