such blatant support for the home fighter
doesn't happen often at top level. i am really
disappointed by bayless.
there was absolutely nothing wrong with
fury's action preceding that and it was
clearly the attempt to give the hurt fighter
time to recover.
i do think the ear shot was a big factor and
i was surprised how long deontay managed
to hang in there. but what was clear as well,
tyson fury is the best the division has seen
in a long time and the new trainer seemed
to have unleashed something in him.
i had thought tyson would not return to the
top and i realise one more time what a bad
predictor i am.
rematch is pointless. the only thing forward
is AJ - Fury.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 07:58
by Syntax Error
Agree with this.
I don't see the point in Wilder 3.
Fury has proved beyond doubt that he is better than Wilder.
He took the first fight when he wasn't ready, got off the floor twice and still beat Wilder, despite not getting the decision.
He dominated Wilder in the rematch and the corner were right to throw in the towel as Deontay was struggling well before that.
A third fight will prove nothing.
I'd like to see Fury V Joshua by the end of the year for all the trinkets.
It's about time we had an undisputed HW champion.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 11:07
by sturm vogel
The fight was in Vegas. The way she goes.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 12:23
by DrDuke
Point deduction absolutely sucked. Why? Fury did nothing illegal.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 13:24
by tennessee
One point, one point, fighting too rough. Lol
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 13:25
by Duran1970
Repeated headlocks and holding..also laying on him refused to break immediately.. was warned, point deduction was justified
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 13:58
by Brute
The point deduction did not mean squat anyway. Neither did the towel being thrown in. The referee had decided that there was no way back for Deontay.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 14:49
by squiggy
The timing of that point deduction clearly granted Wilder a breather that he badly needed. It was not so clear that the timing had all that much to do with particularly egregious Fury fouls having broken the camel's back and demanded immediate rectification.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 14:51
by boxing_rocks
He repeatedly headlocked Wilder chocking him and he was warned first. Of course the fight happening in Vegas helped the ref's decision.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 16:39
by boxing_rocks
... and I do think that the punch after which Wilder never recovered was a rabbit punch.
The guy who posted the below disagrees, but his slow motion video proves the opposite.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 16:40
by margaret thatcher
That shot looks right on the ear, stop your crying mate
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 16:46
by margaret thatcher
We can clearly see it hitting the ear, the same ear that got f@cked up. The first pic you've tried 5 times to post is the follow through of the punch and it's on wILDER'S back, not his head
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 17:06
by Lackeos
I didn't have a big problem with the point deduction. Fury and Wilder kept fighting on the break, Bayless was way too small and old to be forcing them apart, and they were disregarding his break commands way more than in a typical fight. Bayless verbally warned both of them "I'M GOING TO START TAKING POINTS!" and he couldn't have been more clear. When Bayless took a point, not only did I feel like he made it clear that this could happen, but I was always pretty comforted in knowing that the scorecards definitely weren't going to matter.
Fury also threw a lot of overhand rights that were landing behind the ears. I doubt it was really all that intentional -- you want your overhand rights to land on the fact, but the opponents left arm ends-up throwing off your aim, not to mention the way they tuck their chin and the only thing left sticking-up is the back of their head. I think the most blatant rabbit punches occur in clinches when fighters deliberately hit their opponent right in the back of the head.
I think the most favorable think that happened for Wilder was when he fell into the ropes and it seemed like a knockdown should have been ruled, since most likely the ropes were the only thing that held Wilder up, Bayless didn't rule a knockdown. I'm not referring to one of the times he went down due to a slip or wrestling, I'm referring to a time when a punch (plus his own lack of equilibrium from the eardrum injury) sent Wilder falling onto the ropes.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:11
by Enlightened-One
The ref was poor.
He kept breaking up the action.
He needlessly deducted a point from Fury.
And the ref should have awarded a third knockdown when he and the ropes actively prevented Wilder from hitting the deck.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:14
by bury_lad
Thank fcuk it didn't matter but I agree with EO
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:16
by margaret thatcher
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:16
by Enlightened-One
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 16:39
... and I do think that the punch after which Wilder never recovered was a rabbit punch.
The guy who posted the below disagrees, but his slow motion video proves the opposite.
Fury’s shot wasn’t illegal. Wilder moved his head to the side immediately before the cross landed.
Learn the rules and stop being salty, because I’m appalled about the sheer stupidity you’re showing right now.
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 16:39
... and I do think that the punch after which Wilder never recovered was a rabbit punch.
The guy who posted the below disagrees, but his slow motion video proves the opposite.
Fury’s shot wasn’t illegal. Wilder moved his head to the side immediately before the cross landed.
Learn the rules and stop being salty, because I’m appalled about the sheer stupidity you’re showing right now.
You're appalled at that, eh?
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:39
by Bandog
Man, some of you here are either idiots or haters of Wilder.
At this point, who gives a fuk if Fury got deducted a point for punching in the back of the head? It's not like it is the first time he has been accused of that. Fury clearly won with no debate needed, and deserves full credit. Leave it at that, and quit the unnecessary whining.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:40
by margaret thatcher
Bandog wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 19:39
Man, some of you here are either idiots or haters of Wilder.
At this point, who gives a fuk if Fury got deducted a point for punching in the back of the head? It's not like it is the first time he has been accused of that. Fury clearly won with no debate needed, and deserves full credit. Leave it at that, and quit the unnecessary whining.
Maybe you should start another of your threads calling for bans of ppl who criticize wilder , wasn't that ironically right before your ban
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 19:45
by Impractical Poster
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 16:40
That shot looks right on the ear, stop your crying mate
The slo-mo on that video boxing_rocks posted does show that the blow landed on the ear and looked to follow through on the back of the head. In real-time I thought it looked like a rabbit punch myself. But I quickly felt wrong when neither Ward nor Lewis called it after the fact. But I can see where someone would think it was an illegal punch. I'm not appalled at anyone who thought so. But the same people that thought that it was illegal should check themselves when there were two expert commentators and a referee watching who felt it was legal.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 20:10
by JCS
If that was a "rabbit punch", it was probably the hardest ever in the sport's history.
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 23 Feb 2020, 21:06
by Finkel
Lackeos wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 17:06
I didn't have a big problem with the point deduction. Fury and Wilder kept fighting on the break, Bayless was way too small and old to be forcing them apart, and they were disregarding his break commands way more than in a typical fight. Bayless verbally warned both of them "I'M GOING TO START TAKING POINTS!" and he couldn't have been more clear. When Bayless took a point, not only did I feel like he made it clear that this could happen, but I was always pretty comforted in knowing that the scorecards definitely weren't going to matter.
Fury also threw a lot of overhand rights that were landing behind the ears. I doubt it was really all that intentional -- you want your overhand rights to land on the fact, but the opponents left arm ends-up throwing off your aim, not to mention the way they tuck their chin and the only thing left sticking-up is the back of their head. I think the most blatant rabbit punches occur in clinches when fighters deliberately hit their opponent right in the back of the head.
I think the most favorable think that happened for Wilder was when he fell into the ropes and it seemed like a knockdown should have been ruled, since most likely the ropes were the only thing that held Wilder up, Bayless didn't rule a knockdown. I'm not referring to one of the times he went down due to a slip or wrestling, I'm referring to a time when a punch (plus his own lack of equilibrium from the eardrum injury) sent Wilder falling onto the ropes.
Yeah I no problem with the point deduction. Fury tried to get in one last upper cut as Bayless was pushing them apart. It was pretty obvious, which I suspect is why you heard no complaints from Fury as the deduction was given.
Yeah the knockdown you were talking about was probably a bit hard to call. Wilder got caught with a short right, went careening backwards straight into Bayless. Bayless natural reaction was to put his hands out, then he tries to jump out the way as not to support Wilders weight. But in doing so he wasn't watching as Wilder fell into the ropes.
So yeah probably was a knock down, but I don't really blame Bayless for missing it.
As for the shot that landed on the traps and rode up the back of the neck on the follow through. It feels like Wilder fans desperately searching for a smoking gun...
Re: fury, point deduction
Posted: 24 Feb 2020, 05:23
by adislav123
nobody noticed that mf bayless always snd after every break up tried to put fury into position for a wilder overhand right. always releasing wilder a split second first still having his other hand on and if so slightly trying to irritate fury, letting wilder get off first.
watch it, everybody whitva clue, sees it, it was so obvious and could have been the end for a lessser fighter, fury 100% noticed it, just didn't give a shit, just walked thru bayless, his shitty kcorrupt paw still on his chest or not and wilder wasn't even capable to use the head start, vary his killer punch even so slightly or just once throw it off the bat.
