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Now that the bum squad myth has been busted...

Who do you think are the boxers that have at least 50/50 chance in the squared circle against Wilder?

Still only Tyson Fury and Ant Josh for 50/50 or better, though Wilder is turning 35 soon and has few skills to fall back on so it could change before long, seems a good chance his trajectory is going to start its downward route doesn't it

The question is whether or not the Fury fight makes him gun shy.

He was always easy to outbox over the course of several rounds, it trying to find a way to negate his power that was the difficult part.

If he becomes gun shy, then the power will be less of an issue for opponents. Thus making him easier to beat in future (in theory).

It is obviously too early to tell.

Heretic wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 03:23 Now that the bum squad myth has been busted...

Who do you think are the boxers that have at least 50/50 chance in the squared circle against Wilder?

To be honest I think Andy Ruiz can beat him. He has a good chin and if he can get close and start swinging he can take Wilder. Also Usyk f he starts faster his volume often makes punchers just stick to a high guard and Wilder doesnt even have that.

Dillian Whyte would have a great chance

Winter king wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 03:54

Heretic wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 03:23 Now that the bum squad myth has been busted...

Who do you think are the boxers that have at least 50/50 chance in the squared circle against Wilder?

To be honest I think Andy Ruiz can beat him. He has a good chin and if he can get close and start swinging he can take Wilder. Also Usyk f he starts faster his volume often makes punchers just stick to a high guard and Wilder doesnt even have that.

I was going to say a motivated ruiz, but that beast is hidden under a mountain of tacos right now. He would have marched wilder down and stopped him late

Here is my list

Fury obviously would be favorite if the rematch happens.

AJ would also be my pick to win the fight if it happened now. If guys like Fury and Ortiz have what it takes to put Wilder on queer street then AJ certainly has the tools to stop him. AJ is also the better boxer of the two.

Ruiz is the next one that I think would slap wilder silly. Old man Ortiz was really close to stopping Wilder. Ruiz with hes faster hands would definitely have what it takes to finish the job. The fight would be AJ vs Ruiz 1 all over again.

I think that Usyk would win on points. Fury managed avoid the punch for 17 rounds so I believe the faster and more skilled Usyk would manage the 12 rounds. Only one winner on points in that one.

Next one is Parker. He might be the most underrated HW boxer at the moment. I would pick him to beat Whyte in rematch. I think he lost the first one because of that head clash early on. He almost got Whyte out of there in the end. Parker also did well against AJ. He fought both the referee and AJ on the night and still finished on hes feet. Parker has the skills and toughness to win this one.

Whyte would also have at least 50/50 chance to beat Wilder. He has plenty of power to hurt him and could pressure him out of hes comfort zone. If guys like Szpilka and Washington were good enough to take rounds and avoid that punch for combined 13 rounds then Whyte who is lot better than either one could pull it off.

So 6 guys on my list. Wilder would obviously have punchers chance against everyone of them but I think he would loose at least 4 of the fights if they all happened.

Usyk - too skilled.

Maybe AJ but if Wilder still has fight left in him I'd take him by stoppage. Think he also bombs out Ruiz/Whyte. Parker might see the distance but won't win. Forever an underachiever.

Fury of course
AJ was always going to in my book
Whyte probably smashes him
Usyk would out box him
A good Andy Ruiz knocks him out
I would even fancy Chisora !

You guys like to shit on wilder all day. wilder go got hit on the ears and his equilibrium off ..

This happened to price with thompson first fight and happened to AJ with andy ruiz.

Such a hostile fans ...

Iv always had aj as favorites.
Fit Whyte is a 50-50
I'd have Parker as a very slight favorite.
Usyk slight favorite.
Daneil dubious would be very interesting...
Ruiz fit, 50-50. Ruiz fat, in trouble.

Interestingly these are basically the same as my Ortiz predictions, except in that I fancy usyk more.

No doubt wilder is good. But there is definately doubt on how good, only good guy he has fought was 40-50 and unproven himself. and he struggled both times. Definately great at KOing C level fighters though.

Boxtune wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 06:35 You guys like to poo on wilder all day. wilder go got hit on the ears and his equilibrium off ..

This happened to price with thompson first fight and happened to AJ with andy ruiz.

Such a hostile fans ...

ok then mate

Wilder's problem now is the fear factor has gone. People are just gonna go for him now...

danconnollyeire wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 08:33 Wilder's problem now is the fear factor has gone. People are just gonna go for him now...

I agree… and I’d also expect Wilder to become a tad gun-shy, because of the beating he took. He’ll be reluctant to undergo that experience again.

Also, Tyson Fury created the blueprint for others to follow to beat ‘The Bronze Bomber’, since it seems the American’s power is neutralised when he’s forced on the backfoot against a busy opponent.

I’m not saying that Wilder is incapable of beating some of his fellow world-rated peers, because he probably can, but I really do believe that he’ll be regarded as a very beatable foe and some of his rivals will really fancy their chance to beat him.

I would have added Povetkin but that ship has now sailed.

While I wouldn't have picked him to win I'd love to have seen Pulev against Wilder three or four years ago. That would have been a decent scalp on DW's record and he'd have had to work hard for it. Pulev would have set him some problems.

Apart from Fury the most real contenders for that are Usyk and Joshua. Then the likes of Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz, but those probably won't do it.

Boxtune wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 06:35 You guys like to poo on wilder all day. wilder go got hit on the ears and his equilibrium off ..

This happened to price with thompson first fight and happened to AJ with andy ruiz.

Such a hostile fans ...

some of us have always said wilder was protected champ and so was unproven against decent opponents , he then fought a decent one got totally exposed and walloped around the ring .
His invincibility cloak just went up in smoke

I think there are two things needed to beat Wilder.
1, A good chin.
2, A come forward style.

Wilder can't land his equaliser on the back foot. So pressuring him, walking him backwards and landing to the body early will help keep him off guard and weaken the stilt legs.
Only the fittest, focused guys could pull it off. As we have seen, Wilder can drop you in the 12th if you don't beat him up enough.
So, a fit Parker/Ruiz/Fury/AJ and Usyk if he starts early.
Povitkin if he can get it done in under 5, after that he slows down and gets caught and stopped.
An outside bet would be Dubois.

Whyte still has no chance. During has a weak chin. Joshua has a better chance with a blueprint out there. Maybe an in shape Ruiz if he uses smart pressure and doesn't get hit. I still think very few beat a limited guy like Wilder. He might not have many tools in the bag but the one he has is special.

Rgoodwin wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 16:08 Whyte still has no chance. During has a weak chin. Joshua has a better chance with a blueprint out there. Maybe an in shape Ruiz if he uses smart pressure and doesn't get hit. I still think very few beat a limited guy like Wilder. He might not have many tools in the bag but the one he has is special.

Agreed. And lets' not take away a most remarkable performance by Fury.

I still think Wilder beats almost all of the recognised top ten. Just because Fury has shown the blueprint it doesn’t mean many will be capable of executing it. There’s such a temptation to write fighters off once they lose and wilder has always been limited but he’s incredibly dangerous...

Ya, remember when 29 year old AJ was a totally ruined, finished fighter because of a single loss

chinarich wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 17:11 I still think Wilder beats almost all of the recognised top ten. Just because Fury has shown the blueprint it doesn’t mean many will be capable of executing it. There’s such a temptation to write fighters off once they lose and wilder has always been limited but he’s incredibly dangerous...

Well said.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Mar 2020, 17:14 Ya, remember when 29 year old AJ was a totally ruined, finished fighter because of a single loss

This. They say power is the last thing to go and getting stopped is not going to take that away from Deontay.

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