margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 10:05
Nelo got tooled, there are lots. Those 116-112 cards were very very generous as well.
Castillo x2
Maidana
Judah
Corley
Cotto
McGregor
Oscar
Mosley
Pac
McGregor and the 2nd Castillo bouts are irrelevant here.
Not at all, they both did far better than Canelo did, did you actually watch the fights?
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 12:54
by Syntax Error
To be fair, any opponent that landed more than about half dozen blows on Mayweather did better than Alvarez.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:00
by margaret thatcher
It's obvious with the McGregor fight that a lot of boxing fans were stung and simply will be steadfast in denying the obvious, which is that McG did better than most of Floyd's opponents. Sure, maybe Floyd didn't take it seriously and was old, whatever, but McG had a lot more success than most, including Canelo.
Also , I understand the anti-MMA stuff putting people against the McG fight being here, but Castillo 2? I mean ya, Floyd won clear and it wasn't super close like the first fight, but that was very very easily more success for Castillo than Canelo. Maybe some people forget how totally Canelo got tooled, you almost felt embarrassed for him
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:03
by Onetimeonly
Canelo did not land a significant punch.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:07
by EJA
Maidana 1 & 2
Don't forget also Ortiz was doing better than Canelo
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:24
by Tevfik1907
McGregor is a frontrunner, even in UFC, that's why he performed good at the beginning and then he got KOed, and don't forget that Floyd's KO ratio is ; 54%. It's a lower KO ratio than Sugar Ray Lenord's, Roberto Duran's, Julio Cesar Chavez's, Floyd is a defensive fighter, and getting KOed by him is definitely not doing well.
My list is;
1- 1st Castillo fight, where Floyd essentially lost
2- Maidana
3- Judah
4- Carlos Hernandez
5- Corley
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:25
by margaret thatcher
Frontrunning is better than doing no running at all
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:26
by squiggy
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 13:03
Canelo did not land a significant punch.
Yeah, I don't think he did. Was just all Floyd throughout. Hence there are kinds of answers to this question. The southpaw Floyd fought in his 2nd pro fight gave him more apparent trouble.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
McGregor and the 2nd Castillo bouts are irrelevant here.
Not at all, they both did far better than Canelo did, did you actually watch the fights?
McGregor only landed single significant punch and then got outclassed and stopped. Canelo at least survived.
Castillo objectively won in the 1st bout, but was handily outboxed in the rematch.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:53
by margaret thatcher
McGregor landed far more than Canelo did, and Castillo did far better in both fights. Castillo-Mayweather 2 was a legit 8-4 fight where Floyd got out to an early wide lead but then slowed/coasted a bit and dropped rounds despite winning clearly. Canelo did absoltuely f@ck all at any point. 120-108 was fair. lol you talk like he actually had the slightest bit of success. he was useless. He didn't do any better than Rob Guerrero
No way did Canelo do better than Castillo in either fight
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 13:59
by DrDuke
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 13:53
McGregor landed far more than Canelo did, and Castillo did far better in both fights. Castillo-Mayweather 2 was a legit 8-4 fight where Floyd got out to an early wide lead but then slowed a bit. Canelo did absoltuely f@ck all at any point. 120-108 was fair. lol you talk like he actually had the slightest bit of success
Canelo landed a bit more then McGregor according to the stats. Yes, he had more rounds and this is the point though, he at least wasn't beaten enough to be waved.
And Castillo was clearly outboxed in the rematch. Even if he was a bit better, than Canelo, it wasn't that significant difference.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:02
by margaret thatcher
Being clearly outboxed isn't the issue, the question is who did better than Canelo, not whether a guy got outboxed or not. Castillo did better than Canelo in both fights, McG did better than Canelo, and so did a bunch of others
You talk like you never saw Canelo's totally useless schooling vs Mayweather.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:04
by DrDuke
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 14:02
Being clearly outboxed isn't the issue, the question is who did better than Canelo, not whether a guy got outboxed or not. Castillo did better than Canelo in both fights, McG did better than Canelo, and so did a bunch of others
It's more or less admissible with Castillo, but how come with McGregor? He landed less, than Canelo, he lasted less. Where's the logic FFS?
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:05
by margaret thatcher
Going by the 'stats' McG outlanded Floyd in 3 rounds and was even in another, Canelo didn't outland Floyd in any round. Clearly anyone with eyes could see McG did better
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 14:02
Being clearly outboxed isn't the issue, the question is who did better than Canelo, not whether a guy got outboxed or not. Castillo did better than Canelo in both fights, McG did better than Canelo, and so did a bunch of others
It's more or less admissible with Castillo, but how come with McGregor? He landed less, than Canelo, he lasted less. Where's the logic FFS?
He was landing much better than Canelo and was outlanding Floyd in rounds even. Canelo did f@ck all at any time, I think you didn't actually watch these fights, Canelo was made useless
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:08
by DrDuke
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 14:05
Going by the 'stats' McG outlanded Floyd in 3 rounds and was even in another, Canelo didn't outland Floyd in any round. Clearly anyone with eyes could see McG did better
Stats tell the other thing. A one round was even with total punches and Canelo edged with power punches there:
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:11
by margaret thatcher
Still falling short bruh, step up your stats game if youre gonna go the stats route
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 10 Mar 2020, 14:19
by DrDuke
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 14:11
Still falling short bruh, step up your stats game if youre gonna go the stats route
So how then you counted who landed more, if you're not "going the stats route". You counted it yourself? Maybe that's you, who need finally to watch those fights, if you didn't see, how Mayweather toyed with Mcgregor, took only one significant punch from him and battered him harder, than anyone else in his last 10 fights or so.
