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I was thinking last night about the brilliant Troika of Sanchez, Nelson and Pedrosa, being in the same division at the same time to the point where their peak(ish) careers overlapped just enough they could all have fought.

i wondered, how rare is it that you can have three genuine ATG's with that kind of overlap, in the same division, and I wondered how often since then it may have happened?

Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe, obvs (i'm not including post-peak Tyson there)

would Morales, Pac, Barrera Marquez count as having occupied the same division, at the same time, for long enough?

otherwise i hit a blank, though it was near midnight and I was, you know.

any more suggestions? I'm sure there must be some

(Tito, DLH, Moseley?)

It was a great shame that there was never a Sanchez v Pedroza unification fight to sort out the featherweight division in the very early 80s.

It would have been a great fight...

Hearns, Leonard, duran

Depending on great. Two at least close ones.

Zarate, pintor, Chandler
Spinks, saad & mustafa

Ali Foreman Frazier seems an obvious one

EDIT: Oh you said since then.

Tyson Spinks Holyfield in 88, depending on how you feel about Spinks. I think he's in the conversation.

Olivares; Chacon; Arguello

Collins,Eubank,Benn.

Ali Frazier Foreman

Nunn Toney Jones Jnr

LET'S NOT forget the golden era of the 1940s era lightweight division:
Ike Williams
Beau Jack
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Lew Jenkins

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 23:49 LET'S NOT forget the golden era of the 1940s era lightweight division:
Ike Williams
Beau Jack
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Lew Jenkins

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 00:04

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 23:49 LET'S NOT forget the golden era of the 1940s era lightweight division:
Ike Williams
Beau Jack
Bob Montgomery
Sammy Angott
Lew Jenkins

And what is so funny?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 10:26

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 00:04

And what is so funny?

As usual, you. Try reading the question once in awhile. And the great Lew Jenkins?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 10:37

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 10:26

And what is so funny?

As usual, you. Try reading the question once in awhile. And the great Lew Jenkins?

Bert Sugar, famous boxing historian, believed that Lew Jenkins was a great fighter pound per pound all time. I don't agree with that, but I believe that he was one of the top 20 or 25 greatest lightweights ever.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 17:18

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 10:37

As usual, you. Try reading the question once in awhile. And the great Lew Jenkins?

Bert Sugar, famous boxing historian, believed that Lew Jenkins was a great fighter pound per pound all time. I don't agree with that, but I believe that he was one of the top 20 or 25 greatest lightweights ever.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 18:40

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 17:18

Bert Sugar, famous boxing historian, believed that Lew Jenkins was a great fighter pound per pound all time. I don't agree with that, but I believe that he was one of the top 20 or 25 greatest lightweights ever.

Well, you keep laughing like always. It doesn't bother me at all.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 19:09

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 18:40

Well, you keep laughing like always. It doesn't bother me at all.

It shouldn't, I'm sure you're used to it. Out of curiosity, which of these lightweights does Jenkins push out.

Duran
Ross
Armstrong
Leonard
Whitaker
Mosley
McFarland
Gans
Canzoneri
Williams
Ortiz
Joyce
Jack
Castillo
Brown
Blackburn
Arguello
Welsh
Tender
Rosario
Montgomery
Laguna
Driscoll
Dejesus
Buchanan
Amber's
Petrolle
Nelson
Montanez
Dawson
Carter
Angott

Just off the cuff, no research, but that's 32. Weave your magic.

Lew Jenkins could push out these men from the lightweight rankings:

Barney Ross (he is more associated with Jr. Welterweights)

Packey McFarland ( great fighter but he was a multi division fighter like Sam Langford and Manny Pacquiao. It is hard to rank him in an all time great position at any weight).

Jose Luis Castillo

Jack Blackburn

Alexis Arguello (his stay at 135lbs wasn't long enough. HE is more associated with the feathedweights and Jr. Lightweights. That's where he really belongs)

Jim Driscoll was a featherweight great. So, definitely, Jenkins pushes him out.

Jenkins could also push out Pedro Montanez, Willie Joyce (a jr welter) and Freddie Dawson.


I think that Lew Jenkins could be in the same ballpark or class of Edwin "Chapo" Rosario, Sammy Mandell and Jimmy Carter for example.

Do one of your write ups on the great Lew Jenkins. I know he was a huge puncher and a legendary partier and waste of talent, had a very mediocre record and had ambers number. No other significant wins come to mind. Educate me. I doubt he'd be in my top 50 lightweights.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 23:13 Do one of your write ups on the great Lew Jenkins. I know he was a huge puncher and a legendary partier and waste of talent, had a very mediocre record and had ambers number. No other significant wins come to mind. Educate me. I doubt he'd be in my top 50 lightweights.

WELL, to start, I have never said that he was a great fighter. BUT, I said that he was a top 20 or 25 all time lightweight great. HE fought 119 bouts in 4 divisions if we want to classify it by today's weight classes. THE jr welterweight division was deactivated in Jenkins' time. BUT, if we go by the weight classifications of that time (featherweight, lightweight and welterweight) we have it like this:

OVERALL TOTAL record: 73-41-5, with 51KOs in 3 weight classes that he fought.

HIS RECORD AT lightweight was: 39-17-4.
Fighters that he beat at lightweight:
WTKO3 Lou Ambers
W10 Lew Feldman
WTKO7 Mike Belloise
WKO1 Tippy Larkin
W10 Bob Montgomery (first fight)
That's 5 wins right there. Two of them lightweight greats and hall of famers, no question about that.

His record at welterweight was 24-22-1
His record at featherweight was 10-2

Now the questions are:
Was he a great pound per pound fighter all time like boxing historian BERT SUGAR thought he was? No, not in my view.

Was he a great lightweight? YES, according to what he did there.
WHERE would I rank him at 135? MAYBE, between 21 to 30 slots.
TOP 25 lightweight? MAYBE YES. It depends how we look at it.

WE also got to consider his career before he lost the lightweight crown.
Before Jenkins lost his crown to fellow Hall of Famer Sammy Angott, his record was 50-18-5 with 33KOs

AFTER he lost the crown to Angott his record was 23-22, 8KOs. HE had also an 8-fight losing streak. He was never the same fighter after coming from WWII.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 01:51

It doesn't bothers me. I know your game.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 10:27

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 01:51

It doesn't bothers me. I know your game.