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Williams was a talented fighter.Elite? No.Solid fighter?Yes.
I think he'd slip punches to get close and put hard combinations together to stop Wilder who can't put the punches together to slow him.

I see you're a big wilder fan. Lol, wilder as soon as he connects.

Haha it's true.I don't try to be and i hate that about myself ,it's just i hear some outrageous things and makes me get to thinking.

You may be right though.I just think Williams was better than any of Wilders previous opponents aside from Fury and has a great chance.

No, Ortiz was definitely better. Williams would lose to breazeale, probably areola. Jeremy had fast hands, but his chin was mediocre. No chance.

The question is, who wins between Bean and Williams in a battle of beasts?

Might as well have just started with "I hate Wilder, and would like to think anybody can beat him"

Jeremy Williams wouldn't survive the 1st round.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 20:28 No, Ortiz was definitely better. Williams would lose to breazeale, probably areola. Jeremy had fast hands, but his chin was mediocre. No chance.

Also Stiverne. Doubtful he'd get by Gerald Washington, Szpilka or Duhaupas either.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 21:12 Might as well have just started with "I hate Wilder, and would like to think anybody can beat him"

Jeremy Williams wouldn't survive the 1st round.

Maybe you're half right but I admit it.BUT I legitimately think most of the matches i post ,Wilder loses.Not out of hatred,but based on having watched his fights.

Maybe taking one of his punches myself, I'd change my mind but I don't see him beating many contenders from the past at all, let alone the Champions.

Butterbean and Jeremy Williams maybe he beats.But I wouldn't say %100, because he's not shown he can handle the hard stuff.The closest he came to that,was Fury 2 and he lost.No shame ever in losing but he's not shown he can take it and rally back.

Could he beat Andy Ruiz? After hearing of his win against Joshua,no way could Wilder win.

After "seeing"Ruiz win,definitely probably Wilder beats him.

There may be a couple others if I sit down and think but guys like Ruddock,Morrison,Cooney,Page,Tubbs,Tucker,Holmes,and the vast majority of those guys I'd pick to beat Wilder.A beautiful record and team of Breland and Finkel? A+.Actual skills & opposition?a C+ being generous.

But I could always be wrong i have been before and will again.Wilders not the 1st guy that I've thought was all flash over substance.But he's definitely the most hyped.
And I do think if Mike Tyson seriously trained ,regardless of his age,he'd shut Wilder down flat out.

zuru wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 22:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 21:12 Might as well have just started with "I hate Wilder, and would like to think anybody can beat him"

Jeremy Williams wouldn't survive the 1st round.

Maybe you're half right but I admit it.BUT I legitimately think most of the matches i post ,Wilder loses.Not out of hatred,but based on having watched his fights.

Maybe taking one of his punches myself, I'd change my mind but I don't see him beating many contenders from the past at all, let alone the Champions.

Butterbean and Jeremy Williams maybe he beats.But I wouldn't say %100, because he's not shown he can handle the hard stuff.The closest he came to that,was Fury 2 and he lost.No shame ever in losing but he's not shown he can take it and rally back.

Could he beat Andy Ruiz? After hearing of his win against Joshua,no way could Wilder win.

After "seeing"Ruiz win,definitely probably Wilder beats him.

There may be a couple others if I sit down and think but guys like Ruddock,Morrison,Cooney,Page,Tubbs,Tucker,Holmes,and the vast majority of those guys I'd pick to beat Wilder.A beautiful record and team of Breland and Finkel? A+.Actual skills & opposition?a C+ being generous.

But I could always be wrong i have been before and will again.Wilders not the 1st guy that I've thought was all flash over substance.But he's definitely the most hyped.
And I do think if Mike Tyson seriously trained ,regardless of his age,he'd shut Wilder down flat out.

World of difference between Mike Tyson and a Jeremy Williams.

You say you don't think he could beat many "contenders from the past" well. Jeremy Williams was never a contender. He was Top 30 at best on the best day of his life in a pretty weak era of Heavyweight Boxing.

There ain't no maybe to it about whether Wilder beats him. Like I said, Williams wouldn't survive the 1st round.

One more thing "he's not shown he can take it and rally back"

Did you not see the 1st Luis Ortiz fight? He got damn near stopped in the 7th round, and wound up knocking Ortiz out in the 10th.

He was down on the cards in both Ortiz fights prior to knocking him out. That's the very definition of rallying back.

I'm not his biggest fan either, but facts are facts.

Wilder by KO 1

*gilgamesh*
"World of difference between Mike Tyson and a Jeremy Williams.

You say you don't think he could beat many "contenders from the past" well. Jeremy Williams was never a contender. He was Top 30 at best on the best day of his life in a pretty weak era of Heavyweight Boxing.

There ain't no maybe to it about whether Wilder beats him. Like I said, Williams wouldn't survive the 1st round.

One more thing "he's not shown he can take it and rally back"

Did you not see the 1st Luis Ortiz fight? He got damn near stopped in the 7th round, and wound up knocking Ortiz out in the 10th.

He was down on the cards in both Ortiz fights prior to knocking him out. That's the very definition of rallying back."

I'm not his biggest fan either, but facts are facts."

I'm aware Williams wasn't a contender.And he did come back to stop Ortiz ,so maybe I am being a harsh critic and spoiled by the days when competition was solid and fighters got hammered and rallied back more than a couple of times.

I admit maybe I'm wrong on a couple of occasions regarding Wilder but I stand by my overall assessment of him.I am just surprised that so many people think he's more than he is and some to the point of being ridiculous. But it's all conjecture at the end because all it takes is one punch or one off night for the best to lose.

Williams is on par with guys like brezeale and spilzka. Maybe he wins some rounds but hes getting stopped

zuru wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 08:21 *gilgamesh*
"World of difference between Mike Tyson and a Jeremy Williams.

You say you don't think he could beat many "contenders from the past" well. Jeremy Williams was never a contender. He was Top 30 at best on the best day of his life in a pretty weak era of Heavyweight Boxing.

There ain't no maybe to it about whether Wilder beats him. Like I said, Williams wouldn't survive the 1st round.

One more thing "he's not shown he can take it and rally back"

Did you not see the 1st Luis Ortiz fight? He got damn near stopped in the 7th round, and wound up knocking Ortiz out in the 10th.

He was down on the cards in both Ortiz fights prior to knocking him out. That's the very definition of rallying back."

I'm not his biggest fan either, but facts are facts."

I'm aware Williams wasn't a contender.And he did come back to stop Ortiz ,so maybe I am being a harsh critic and spoiled by the days when competition was solid and fighters got hammered and rallied back more than a couple of times.

I admit maybe I'm wrong on a couple of occasions regarding Wilder but I stand by my overall assessment of him.I am just surprised that so many people think he's more than he is and some to the point of being ridiculous. But it's all conjecture at the end because all it takes is one punch or one off night for the best to lose.

I think people are well aware of what he is. A flawed guy with a really big punch. Nobody ever said Wilder was a legend. He's probably one of the bigger punchers in Heavyweight history, but his other flaws certainly make him vulnerable against high quality opposition.

I'm mainly just surprised that you think Jeremy Williams would trouble him in the slightest.

Hell you want a contender from the past that would stand a damn good chance of beating Wilder? How about Ray Mercer?

I guess we can agree to disagree as for Williams.Maybe he could maybe he couldn't.Mercer I definitely think beats Wilder if Mercer comes to fight and not bribe like with Jesse Ferguson.

I don't think he's anywhere near one of the hardest punchers in history.Can he punch? He should be able too given his size alone he's a heavyweight that swings for the bleachers every punch,I'd be surprised if he couldn't punch.

You don't think Jeremy Williams was skilled? No problem,I do.I already said I didn't consider him elite but that's my opinion.

No maybes, he definitely couldn't. He was fast and threw good combos but his chin was weak. Wilder lacks skills but he's not chinny. I agree on Mercer, he's also like 5 levels above Williams with wilder in between. Ferguson was better than Williams too. Butterbean is just a sick joke.

Personally I try to never say never because everytime I have ,I'm proved wrong.But that's me.In boxing ,anything can happen ,no matter how far fetched it may seem.Tyson vs Douglas?Hearns vs Barkley 1&2?

We're all wrong all the time. Williams is not comparable to Barkley or Douglas. You're giving examples of world class fighters and the style match up is terrible for Williams. He has even less of a chance than gatti vs hatton. Anyway, your wilder hate is unwavering. Carry on.

Look at it like this

Wilder is 6 foot 7. He is athletic, has quick feet, punches from weird angles and has freak power.

Williams is 6 foot 1. He gives us 8 inches in reach. Hes either going to have to stay a mile away and get lucky with a counter or keep it close all night in wilders chest. He isnt some wizard on defense. He couldnt outslick sam peter or brian nielsen for christ sake.

zuru wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 13:21 I guess we can agree to disagree as for Williams.Maybe he could maybe he couldn't.Mercer I definitely think beats Wilder if Mercer comes to fight and not bribe like with Jesse Ferguson.

I don't think he's anywhere near one of the hardest punchers in history.Can he punch? He should be able too given his size alone he's a heavyweight that swings for the bleachers every punch,I'd be surprised if he couldn't punch.

You don't think Jeremy Williams was skilled? No problem,I do.I already said I didn't consider him elite but that's my opinion.

Dude there ain't no f*cking maybe. Wilder crushes Williams like he's a toddler. It wouldnt' be competitive AT ALL.

Williams had some skills, he couldn't take a punch though, and against a huge puncher. That's a hell of a problem.

zuru wrote: ↑30 Apr 2020, 13:57 Personally I try to never say never because everytime I have ,I'm proved wrong.But that's me.In boxing ,anything can happen ,no matter how far fetched it may seem.Tyson vs Douglas?Hearns vs Barkley 1&2?

You keep criticizing the current era, but all of your hate is only on Wilder. How do you feel about Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury? You think they couldn't beat guys that weren't Top 30 from 20 years ago or is it just Wilder that grinds your gears?

Reminder that shannon briggs michael moorer were champs in the 90s. Also the slew of hw title holders in the 80s were not atg either. Todays crop are just as good as those guys are

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It's just a discussion on a forum,If you don't agree no problem I'm fine with that.
Yes I guess Wilder does grind my gears as you say.For multiple reasons.Wilders footwork? Come on man.Its like Kathy Bates has that pole between his ankles getting ready to hobble him.

I don't see him as all that athletic either,stiff rigid and far from fluid.
A decent puncher but not the freak of nature people are claiming.

Yes Moorer and Briggs weren't special at all.I think Joshua and Fury are good fighters.Greats?I didn't say that.I think Joshua has good skills but tender chinned.I think Fury and Joshua would do well in other eras.
Would they beat everyone,I doubt that.

And Sam Peter was a good fighter so hows Williams not outslicking him relevant?

As for "no f##maybe",I wish I had that discernment,I'd be living a different life.

And If If this hypothetical match took place,I assume that Williams would fight inside to negate Wilders height/reach.

There are plenty of guys from every era that i don't care for and plenty I do.

If it bothers anyone that much,maybe don't read it.I ain't looking to argue with anyone just reading ,commenting like everyone else.
If someone posts something I don't agree with,no problem good for them.Im not missing sleep,mad at their audacity to not agree with me.

It'd be kind of lame if everyone agreed on everything.

And hold on,take a deep breath and find that calm place cause you want to know another secret? I don't think Ali was the best Heavyweight either.

Didn't Jeremy Williams beat Ferguson though? I agree he loses to Wilder probably.

Why yes he did.

I ain't the least bit mad you don't agree with me zuru. I'm just telling you that you're absolutely and 100% wrong on your assessment of this particular fight.

Hell Wilder would knock out Sam Peter who wrecked Williams in 2.

Whether you agree or disagree with that I don't f*cking care. You're entitled to believe the Earth is Flat and the Grass is Blue if it makes you feel better.