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How many fighters knocked down Holyfield, and who were they?

Cooper, Bowe, Ruiz, Toney. 4 Is that all of them?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 15:29 Cooper, Bowe, Ruiz, Toney. 4 Is that all of them?

I thought Dokes knocked him down, but it wasn't ruled a KD.

I have no idea. Thanks for doing my homework.

I remembered Cooper and Bowe.

Ruiz? I don’t remember that one. I‘m not saying it didn’t happen, I just mean it escaped me.

I know the names of fighters who KD Ali, Frazier, Foreman etc, but realized I didn't know for Holy. Looked it up and couldn't find anything comprehensive. I think MT got all 4.

Ya Ruiz dropped him late in one of the fights, can't remember which though without doing a BoxRec cheat

Boxrec doesn't always mention the KDs.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 16:22 Ya Ruiz dropped him late in one of the fights, can't remember which though without doing a BoxRec cheat

It was Rd 11 of the second one. The round after holy knocked him out.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 16:59

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 16:22 Ya Ruiz dropped him late in one of the fights, can't remember which though without doing a BoxRec cheat

It was Rd 11 of the second one. The round after holy knocked him out.

Holyfield never Knocked out Ruiz

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 20:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 16:59

It was Rd 11 of the second one. The round after holy knocked him out.

Holyfield never Knocked out Ruiz

Maybe he's referring to the alledged 'low-blow' that all but stopped John the round befoer.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 20:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 May 2020, 16:59

It was Rd 11 of the second one. The round after holy knocked him out.

Holyfield never Knocked out Ruiz

Yeah he did. With a body shot, Ruiz writhed and they called it a low blow.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 21:12

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 20:31

Holyfield never Knocked out Ruiz

Yeah he did. With a body shot, Ruiz writhed and they called it a low blow.

These Ruiz guys are all alike. I had forgotten about that. What a putz.

Always found the Cooper knockdown interesting. Holyfield didn't hit the canvas but the referee ruled that he grabbed the ropes to prevent himself from going down.
I remember thinking, huh? I had seen fighters grab the ropes before, but had never seen it called it before. I not only had ever seen a referee making this ruling, I had never heard of it being a rule ! The announcers apparently had not either. I remember them asking Mills Lane after the fight to explain the ruling.
Remember asking other people right after this and nobody had ever heard of the rule before. (I still knew people who followed boxing back then. )

It happens every now and then now, enough to see it regularly if you watch a lot of fights. Somehow the commentary is often still like 'wtf' even though it's been well established why it happens and I think is part of the rules

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 May 2020, 20:53 Remember asking other people right after this and nobody had ever heard of the rule before. (I still knew people who followed boxing back then. )

I just checked rules of major organizations out of curiosity. Current version so I cannot confirm they were the same 30 years ago, but that is probably the best one could do in a couple of minutes.

So far only in WBC rules I found that "if the ropes prevent a fighter from going down, the referee will call it a knockdown", which can be argued to be the case for Holyfield - Cooper.

Others, like IBF or WBA, call for a KD just when a boxer is "hanging helplessly over the ropes as a result of a legal blow", which was clearly not the case. A bit funny since the fight was for WBA&IBF titles, not for WBC.

Holy never got much slack from little Milly

gregor wrote: ↑01 Jun 2020, 11:16

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 May 2020, 20:53 Remember asking other people right after this and nobody had ever heard of the rule before. (I still knew people who followed boxing back then. )

I just checked rules of major organizations out of curiosity. Current version so I cannot confirm they were the same 30 years ago, but that is probably the best one could do in a couple of minutes.

So far only in WBC rules I found that "if the ropes prevent a fighter from going down, the referee will call it a knockdown", which can be argued to be the case for Holyfield - Cooper.

Others, like IBF or WBA, call for a KD just when a boxer is "hanging helplessly over the ropes as a result of a legal blow", which was clearly not the case. A bit funny since the fight was for WBA&IBF titles, not for WBC.

I have no doubt it was a rule. It's just that it was enforced so rarely that nobody had even heard of it. Several years (on this forum) a go I asked if anyone had seen it called in a fight before this and nobody did. Sort of like the "Tuck Rule" in the NFL.

Ruddock got a count (maybe 2) for the ropes holding him up v Morrison

That fight was a few years after Holyfield-Cooper. It looks like it start getting called more often after the Holyfield-Cooper fight.