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Property king Arthur plotting to lord it in ring

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 10:33
by Max Baer
BRIAN DONALD


TO VISIT boxing star Alex Arthur and his partner Debbie with their family of two infant boys at home you must first negotiate a security entry gate system that wouldn’t be out of place in a Hollywood star’s mansion.

Fortunately, it didn’t prove as tricky to unlock Edinburgh’s super featherweight champion and those dearest to him for a chat on life, the university and everything beyond the ring.

The couple have several targets in mind, all part of a strategy to make sure he won’t end up, like other Scots boxers, "broke in middle age with nothing to show for their pain and efforts but memories".

Debbie, 26, is convinced, for instance, that when Alex throws in the towel on his boxing career - "in six years time", she claims - they will also have garnered a lifestyle to match that of any famed resident of Beverly Hills. The mother of Alex’s two sons, Alex Junior, three, and Liston, six months, believes he can find a new role as an actor.

Such a transformation would see him follow in the footsteps of the 1930s American world-rated welterweight ‘Canada’ Lee who won an Oscar nomination for playing Sidney Poitier’s father in the movie Cry, The Beloved Country.

"I believe Alex has the talent and communication skills to be a good actor after his ring career but first things first," says Debbie. "We have to make sure we secure our future materially.

"Before taking time out to have our two sons, I worked for Edinburgh investment house Ivory & Sime [now Isis]. I saw fortunes being made and unmade in a single day, so that taught me that nothing, including wealth, is for ever. And how quickly you can lose everything unless you are careful.

"So in this life - especially in a boxing life - based on ups and downs you have to be eternally vigilant and smart to keep what you earn.

"That was one of the good things about me coming from a housing scheme in Niddrie and Alex coming from Drummond Street - we are both street smart.

"We are not stupid people, especially when it comes to detecting the kind of business phoneys who - too often in the past - have come between top Scottish boxers and their hard earned ring cash."

Waving her hand around the exclusive and tastefully furnished mews house in upmarket Newington that Alex, also 26, and Debbie recently bought, Debbie continues: "All this could disappear like snow off a dyke tomorrow if Alex’s boxing career nosedived with a couple of defeats.

"That was the biggest lesson I learned from Alex’s British super featherweight title defeat by Michael Gomez. How drastically his income dropped for his next fight [a successful IBF Inter-Continental title fight at Meadowbank against African Michael Kizzer].

"It made us both realise how important it was to invest every spare penny because the glory days won’t last for ever."

Alex agrees entirely with Debbie’s outlook and has put his winnings to good use.

"We already have a property portfolio of houses in Edinburgh which we rent out for income and that’s why I want to regain my British title by beating Craig Docherty in March in Glasgow, then meeting and beating Michael Gomez, then winning a world title - all in 2005.

"And we aim to use the money from those fights in 2005 to expand our property portfolio which is why Alex is so ruthlessly focused in training and in the ring," explains Debbie.

Alex nods in agreement. "Don’t get me wrong, I love all the glory and adulation and public recognition that winning in the ring gives me but ultimately boxing is a means to an end for Debbie and I.

"For I am just as determined as Debbie is that I will break the mould of Scottish champion boxers - the majority of whom have ended up broke in middle age with nothing to show for their pain and efforts but memories.

"I aim to fight for a maximum of six years yet - winning in the ring and with Debbie steadily building up our property portfolio with the purse monies.

"The income from this will then subsidise my ambitions of going to university to study a degree in Sports Nutrition - an area where already I have acquired sufficient knowledge to have advised WBO super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe, who suffers from weight problems, after Joe sought out my advice.

"In addition, the money from winning and defending my British and European titles will be used to fund the education of my two sons and also underwrite my acting and media career which I fully intend to pursue after I hang up the gloves.

"I really believe that I can make it too both as an actor and a media boxing pundit like my ring coach Jim McDonnell who does inter-round summarising on TV boxing programmes.

"But hey! First I have to overcome two major obstacles in 2005 called Docherty and Gomez.

"With regard to Craig Docherty who I will fight on March 11 in Glasgow’s Kelvin Hall - he is the least of my worries.

"Look at the facts. Docherty only beat Russian Nikolai Eremeev by a single point. I blew Eremeev away in five rounds [in Glasgow in June 2002]. Which proves that I have the punch power that Docherty lacks.

"I also think it’s crazy having the British title bout with Docherty in the Kelvin Hall before 2000 people when 10,000 easily would have come out to Ingliston to see our east v west battle."

However, Arthur admits one name - Michael Gomez - still haunts him.

"I live, breathe and sleep Gomez. I want him back in the ring in 2005 even though he is giving a WBU title shot to Willie Limond who I beat in 2003, ahead of me.

"My big worry here is that Limond has the style to upset Gomez, Willie is a smart counter puncher which Gomez hates and I honestly think that Limond could beat Gomez when they clash early in 2005.

"However that could work to my advantage as, once I beat Docherty for the British title, a Gomez without a title of his own would have to stop talking those daft money figures like £150,000 he is asking to give me a rematch. Gomez also hates me and the thought of gaining a British title he won at my expense would be too big a temptation for Michael, so Willie Limond do me a favour and beat Gomez please."

Alex exudes a quiet confidence - and well he might after his last two bouts - but he’s well aware how finely balanced the master plan that Debbie and he have devised is.

"My honest belief that I can make it as an actor and media pundit after I hang up the gloves, relies on one thing - me staying on top in boxing for the next five or six years," he says.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 10:37
by Loftgroov
Arthur is a tosser. A bit premature all the above considering his career to date.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 11:57
by nickd
Fair play to him I think, he seems to have his head screwed on and nice to see he is trying to look after his family.

What do you mean his 'career to date'? He's already achieved a lot more than a lot of boxers ever do and even if he retired now he's had a reasonably successful career with only 1 defeat against a fired up Gomez and a British title. I do think however that the world title he is looking for will end up being a WBU title and not one of the major belts.

With the improvements he seems to have made I really think he can go on to beat Gomez in a rematch, I for one can't wait for that fight to take place and I think it will be yet another 'fight of the year'.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 12:13
by bigped
Arthur has great ability and as he says he will end up wealth off out this sport and thats what he derserves hes trained 7 days a week since he was 10 years old so deserves to sit back and enjoy at the end. Like you say mate, he will beat gomez and docherty in my opnion. he could maybe beat sinistin for the european??? and yeah wbu/ibo title in the nxt few years aswell..

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 12:32
by Manos de Oro
Seems to be under-rating Docherty a tad, IMO. Who cares though when you have an oscar calibre acting career, university degree, tv commentating job, and a future as a property magnate lined up, eh?

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 12:44
by nickd
Arthur will beat Docherty handily. And I really think he could beat Sinitsin, he didnt really show much in the Docherty fight that Arthur couldnt handle.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 12:53
by Manos de Oro
007 wrote:Arthur will beat Docherty handily. And I really think he could beat Sinitsin, he didnt really show much in the Docherty fight that Arthur couldnt handle.
Yeah I think so too. Would piss myself if he lost by KO1, though. Seems to be becoming more and more like Calzaghe - believe their own hype so much they disappear up there own arse. The same can't be said for Hatton, Harrison, other SN fighters, IMO.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 12:56
by nickd
He seems to be confident but I wouldnt say he is up his own arse. And its good he has plans for when he quits boxing too many fighters dont!

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 13:11
by KOJOE90
007 wrote:Arthur will beat Docherty handily.
I agree that Arthur will beat Docherty, but I think that it will be a close fight. Arthurs strength, punching power and better confidence will see him through to a points or maybe late stoppage victory, in my opinion.

Docherty seems to freeze a little at the big events. This is a big Scottish fight and the atmosphere on the night may well get to him. I feel mentaly Arthur will cope better with the big fight atmosphere.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 13:27
by steve689
On the same sort of subject there was an interesting piece in the Daily Sport recently on Anthony Farnell's retirement...it says due to good purses and shrewd property investments 26 year old Farnell will never have to work again.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 13:40
by bigped
I really hope thats true about Farnell really do..

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 14:18
by nickd
steve689 wrote:On the same sort of subject there was an interesting piece in the Daily Sport recently on Anthony Farnell's retirement...it says due to good purses and shrewd property investments 26 year old Farnell will never have to work again.
He deserves security the amount of leather he took. Never one of my favourites but wish him all the best. He's looking to open his own gym and train fighters which I think is good to hear.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 14:27
by KOJOE90
007 wrote:
steve689 wrote:On the same sort of subject there was an interesting piece in the Daily Sport recently on Anthony Farnell's retirement...it says due to good purses and shrewd property investments 26 year old Farnell will never have to work again.
He deserves security the amount of leather he took. Never one of my favourites but wish him all the best. He's looking to open his own gym and train fighters which I think is good to hear.
I echo 007 I never really warmed to Farnell, but I wish him a happy retirement.

I also am glad to hear that he is staying involved in the sport by opening his own gym. I am sure he could be a great motivator. Good luck to him.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 14:44
by Cannibal
I think if Gomez Vs Arthur II came off the result would be the same. Gomez is good and strong and had Arthurs number last time out but now Arthur is fucked up in the head from that loss on top of that. I think he'd freeze in a rematch. Everything that Arthur has changed about himself from his fighting style down to his personality has all been because Gomez knocked him silly and Gomez is constantly in his head because of that.

From his last fight against Ruiz I gathered that Arthur was now too gun shy despite his power and his defence was still suspect cause Ruiz despite having no power and not being all that busy still managed to back Arthur up on a couple of occasions. Gomez would be far busier and if Arthur is gun shy he will be overwhelmed. Arthurs defence looks forced to me, as if he has to constantly be thinking about defending rather than it being natural and I think in a fight with someone like Gomez he would be drawn back into his old bad habits and hammered soundly.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 15:02
by neil r
I find the whole Arthur Gomez II is becoming a bit tedious. If their going to fight then fight. but please give us a break from all this non stop 'he hates me, i can do him easily' balls.

If Gomez is so confident then fine If he really hates Arthur as much as he bangs on about then what better thing to do that to beat him in a rematch and send his career into oblivion. Arthur gave Gomez a chance when Michaels career looked like it was going nowhere. Ok so Arthur probably took the fight because he though Gomez was a spend force and someone he could beat easily, but fact of the matter is that he chose to give Gomez the opportunity. Seems reasonable that Gomez should return the favour if hes so confident.

I was at their first fight and to be honest I dont think that Gomez could fight that good again or Arthur that badly. and the more I hear of Gomez apparently demanding £150 000 the more i think michael knows this too. If hes looking for such a sum it suggests to me that he knows Arthur could beat him and as such his career would probably be over and thus wants (quite rightly) a nice little nest egg to retire on. so if hes as confident about doing artur a econd time, take less money, retire Arthurs career then go on with a couple of cushy wee defences to top up to his £150 000

Since the two fought I think most of us would agree that with the excpetion of the Kizza farce, then its obvious that Arthur has gone away, worked at his style and has in many aspects improved as a fighter. Does Gomez look like he has improved lately? Gomez probably knows this too.

So the pair of them just give it a rest, stop acting like children and get it on.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 15:23
by nickd
That £150k figure is ridiculous, I doubt Gomez has ever even earned 6 figures for a fight.

Posted: 08 Jan 2005, 16:56
by Boxingmad
It's nice to see a young man with his head in the right place. Financial security is something that all of us want in life. Arthur certainly has the potential to earn some good money, and it helps that his other half knows about these things. If the earlier post about Farnell is true, then i'm over the moon for him. He was a real crowd-pleaser, and now he's got the financial rewards.
Boxing isn't like football, or rugby. Those guys have salaries, and as we all know, footballers' salaries border on the ridiculous. What boxers have to put themselves through before and during a fight deserves far bigger payments, but there you go. Of course, when you hit the big time (no pun intended) some of the earnings make David Beckham look like a welfare case (Messrs Leonard, De La Hoya & Holyfield will know what i mean), but that is pretty rare.
All I hope is that every boxer makes a good bit of money, and that they are privy to a bit of sound financial advice, so that when retirement comes, they can enjoy life without any major money worries.

Posted: 09 Jan 2005, 12:19
by steve689
007 wrote:That £150k figure is ridiculous, I doubt Gomez has ever even earned 6 figures for a fight.
I think Gomez was pissed when he started spouting off those figures after the Arthur-Ruiz fight...the whole thing is becoming tedious for me, are they going to have a rematch or what? If so HURRY UP!! Gomez is playing the bad guy and Arthur has gone from cocky kid to pretend nice guy (yes Craig, no Craig, your right Craig :D ) and the whole episode isn't even exciting. So what if they don't like each other, i don't like either of them, can i fight the winner?! :P

Posted: 09 Jan 2005, 15:08
by KOJOE90
Cannibal wrote:From his last fight against Ruiz I gathered that Arthur was now too gun shy.
I am not so sure, I got the feeling that he has just generaly tried to alter his style and tried to improve himself.

I of course may be wrong and we will not find out untill Arthur is in with Gomez or another big puncher.