British Overachievers

[Stuarty]

In light of the Ward comments on Froch, who else have overachieved from over here? Watching Ricky Burns just now and he certainly fits the bill.

[brilo33]

In light of the Ward comments on Froch, who else have overachieved from over here? Watching Ricky Burns just now and he certainly fits the bill.

no way ricky burns, he werent lucky dont get me wrong had a couple of decisions go his way , but ricky is a made boxer look at him long arms, good chin, big heart ,good engine

[jameswilson]

In light of the Ward comments on Froch, who else have overachieved from over here? Watching Ricky Burns just now and he certainly fits the bill.

no way ricky burns, he werent lucky dont get me wrong had a couple of decisions go his way , but ricky is a made boxer look at him long arms, good chin, big heart ,good engine

Lived the life by all accounts too.

You didn’t hear excuses after his defeats that he was out on the piss. I think I remember Kevin Mitchell said when he started training in the same camp as him he realised there was no way he was beating him given how much harder Burns worked in training.

[brilo33]

no way ricky burns, he werent lucky dont get me wrong had a couple of decisions go his way , but ricky is a made boxer look at him long arms, good chin, big heart ,good engine

Lived the life by all accounts too.

You didn’t hear excuses after his defeats that he was out on the piss. I think I remember Kevin Mitchell said when he started training in the same camp as him he realised there was no way he was beating him given how much harder Burns worked in training.

yea a good pro ,2 weight world champion . ah you cannie beat the rickster , i would put burns in the all time greatest british boxers , how much you drinking today stu

[polecateddy]

It's fighters like Charles Shephard, who were all heart and workrate, but lucky enough to have a bit of a following and to get some nice opportunities.

[Stuarty]

In light of the Ward comments on Froch, who else have overachieved from over here? Watching Ricky Burns just now and he certainly fits the bill.

no way ricky burns, he werent lucky dont get me wrong had a couple of decisions go his way , but ricky is a made boxer look at him long arms, good chin, big heart ,good engine

I know mate i sparred him at the Barn in Coatbridge when we were ams and i've watched his career from the start. He turned pro and still had Rab Bannan (his am coach) involved and fought like an am as well. Billy Nelson turned him around and made him a top pro. 3 weight world champ for someone like Burns? He made the very most of what he had through hard work and dedication and deffo overachieved imo... I'm a massive burns fan as well so i don't mean that as a slight against him. If you asked him he'd be the first to admit he overachieved....

[Coco]

Bellew, Cleverley, Macklin, Charlie Edwards

[brilo33]

no way ricky burns, he werent lucky dont get me wrong had a couple of decisions go his way , but ricky is a made boxer look at him long arms, good chin, big heart ,good engine

I know mate i sparred him at the Barn in Coatbridge when we were ams and i've watched his career from the start. He turned pro and still had Rab Bannan (his am coach) involved and fought like an am as well. Billy Nelson turned him around and made him a top pro. 3 weight world champ for someone like Burns? He made the very most of what he had through hard work and dedication and deffo overachieved imo... I'm a massive burns fan as well so i don't mean that as a slight against him. If you asked him he'd be the first to admit he overachieved....

really sparred him, top man ,i was gona say 3 weight wasnt sure how big the other title was, i know mate i ve seen your posts your a clued up boxing man, hence how much you drunk ha , but i know where your coming from, its burns i think makes boxing look easy for him ,so that he doesnt stand out in any of what you say categories.like he is just solid in every deparment if you know what i mean

[bennie]

Richard Dunn did amazingly well to secure a shot at Muhammad Ali with a spotty record and a chin that regularly let him down, and I would also cite amateur great John Lyon, who was pasted in the 1980 ABA light-flyweight title by Repton southpaw Terry Barker (father of Darren) but came back to win a record eight ABA titles.

[Steveh583]

Clinton woods got the most out of his abilities. A good honest pro.

[Glass Joe]

Definitely Bellew, a shot Haye (given didn't see it at the time) set up Bellew for life if not Bellew would be still be fighting today.

Would say Anthony Crolla. 4 losses and a draw a head injury and then became World champion and a few good paydays.

[My Name Is Earl]

Crawford Ashley. Another good honest pro with a patchy record, which didn't hinder him from snaffling two world title
challenges. Both big big fights against 'greats' of the game. Failed in multiple EBU attempts also, though i had him winning the first one with Rocchigiani. Well promoted fighter.

[mickey1975]

Crawford Ashley. Another good honest pro with a patchy record, which didn't hinder him from snaffling two world title
challenges. Both big big fights against 'greats' of the game. Failed in multiple EBU attempts also, though i had him winning the first one with Rocchigiani. Well promoted fighter.

He fought on the road nearly every fight.

[bigjack]

With the amount of titles around many can overachieve.

[Stuarty]

With the amount of titles around many can overachieve.

[Wee Tommy]

no way ricky burns, he werent lucky dont get me wrong had a couple of decisions go his way , but ricky is a made boxer look at him long arms, good chin, big heart ,good engine

I know mate i sparred him at the Barn in Coatbridge when we were ams and i've watched his career from the start. He turned pro and still had Rab Bannan (his am coach) involved and fought like an am as well. Billy Nelson turned him around and made him a top pro. 3 weight world champ for someone like Burns? He made the very most of what he had through hard work and dedication and deffo overachieved imo... I'm a massive burns fan as well so i don't mean that as a slight against him. If you asked him he'd be the first to admit he overachieved....

Nailed it mate.

Bannans club was heaving but he produced poor boxers imo. Tough and high work rate but little skill, tactics or head movement.

[My Name Is Earl]

Crawford Ashley. Another good honest pro with a patchy record, which didn't hinder him from snaffling two world title
challenges. Both big big fights against 'greats' of the game. Failed in multiple EBU attempts also, though i had him winning the first one with Rocchigiani. Well promoted fighter.

He fought on the road nearly every fight.

Why was that, did he not have a following? He earned his spurs the hard way.

[mickey1975]

He fought on the road nearly every fight.

Why was that, did he not have a following? He earned his spurs the hard way.

No, he didn’t have a following. He was a very aloof character.

[jlh]

I'd say Gavin Rees definitely over achieved. British, European and World Champion. At 5 foot 4 competing at 140, he made his lack of height an advantage. Solid career.

[My Name Is Earl]

Why was that, did he not have a following? He earned his spurs the hard way.

No, he didn’t have a following. He was a very aloof character.

Who managed him?

Two 'proper' world title challenges was above and beyond.

[mickey1975]

No, he didn’t have a following. He was a very aloof character.

Who managed him?

Two 'proper' world title challenges was above and beyond.

He had a few. But Barney Eastwood and Frank Maloney got him the big chances.

[Steveh583]

I'd say Gavin Rees definitely over achieved. British, European and World Champion. At 5 foot 4 competing at 140, he made his lack of height an advantage. Solid career.

Great little fighter. Really enjoyed his career. He won prizefighter too didn't he?

[Stuarty]

I'd say Gavin Rees definitely over achieved. British, European and World Champion. At 5 foot 4 competing at 140, he made his lack of height an advantage. Solid career.

Great little fighter. Really enjoyed his career. He won prizefighter too didn't he?

That's right aye. Enjoyed his win over M'Baye for the title. Great performance.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Lived the life by all accounts too.

You didn’t hear excuses after his defeats that he was out on the piss. I think I remember Kevin Mitchell said when he started training in the same camp as him he realised there was no way he was beating him given how much harder Burns worked in training.

yea a good pro ,2 weight world champion . ah you cannie beat the rickster , i would put burns in the all time greatest british boxers , how much you drinking today stu

He’s a 3 weight world champion isn’t he?

Obviously having a good promoter, he was given them opportunities and he made the most of them. Maybe the fact that he was a 3 weight world champion, one of them was vacant, that’s where he might have overachieved?

I see Crolla and wouldn’t say he over achieved. I think his career was the best it could be. Multiple losses early, personal issues, then wins a world champion by defeating a champion, he really deserved that. Then had a number of high profile fights too.

[stevec@france]

Glenn McCrory winning world title

have to agree

I have met him a few times and he is fuckin huge now but back then wasnt really a HW