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Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 07:58
by My Name Is Earl
Nearly a decade since these two staples of bygone days of boxing commentary passed away. Both an integral part of
a lot of our younger days following this sport.
Who was your preference for? Reg for me. No need to speak for every second of every feckin round.
Ashamed to say, i didn't even know about his one leg until he'd died.
So Reg and the ITV theme tune trumps it for me.
Oh, and Darke was different gravy on the radio.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 08:40
by olij999
Gutteridge for me, but Ian Darke on the radio beats them all.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 09:26
by Wee Tommy
Ref for me. Carpenter talked a load of shite a lot of the time.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 09:26
by Wee Tommy
Reg for me, Carpenter talked a load of shite most of the time and was very biased.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 09:40
by Coco
I probably prefer Reg but then it's stupid to split hairs, both were great
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 09:51
by littlepug
Had the pleasure of meeting Harry after i boxed on a show in Jersey, he was a very nice fella and had some kind words for me, as a commentator though Reg was my fave “the ego has landed” and “ it traveled a long way but he got the message” stick in my mind!
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 10:23
by PredatorHayds
Reg for me.
Harry used to record his audio For some fights when he already knew the result. You can guess he knows the outcome sometimes.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 10:46
by Glass Joe
Ian Darke still the best around, Sky should chuck money at him rather than Adam Smith
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 10:51
by Roco
PredatorHayds wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 10:23
Reg for me.
Harry used to record his audio For some fights when he already knew the result. You can guess he knows the outcome sometimes.
Isn't that the same for gutteridge though? I am sure it says something in reg's book about hitting a bell in the studio to make it sound like they were there and totally mis-timing it on one occasion.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 10:53
by Roco
Both were professional and I would put David Coleman alongside.
Far better than anything we get these days and like someone said they let the action do the talking and talked when necessary.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 11:06
by bigjack
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 09:26
Reg for me, Carpenter talked a load of shite most of the time and was very biased.
Harry was good,Reg was great,early Reg and Jim Watt were superb,Ian Darke though is on a different level to any of them in my opinion.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 11:18
by jamesmcdonnell
Roco wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 10:53
Both were professional and I would put David Coleman alongside.
Far better than anything we get these days and like someone said they let the action do the talking and talked when necessary.
That's the thing, when you listen now to boxing commentary from back then, it's incredible how little talking there is, there's a bit of a preamble before the fight, some talking in between rounds, but during the action, unless something particularly eventful happens, the commentators largely let the action speak for itself.
I loved reg's commentary on Hagler v Hearns, 'and he's gone down in sections, like a carpenters rule' which I thought was brilliant.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 11:51
by Wee Tommy
I’d rather not hear much from them tbh, it’s not like we can’t see what’s happening. Largely redundant for me especially nowadays that they all talk hyperbole and bullshit.
I like Don Dunphy.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 12:10
by stujones
Both we great, but being a tad controversial I think Reg seemed to be not so good when he had a co-commentator, he seemed to go off more on a tangent - whereas it didn't seem to distract Harry as much. Off course Reg and Jim were fantastic and because Harry didn't seem to have a regular co-commentator they would still be my favourite regular partnership. Although perhaps Harry and Jim might have been possibly the best pairing. Jim with anyone really, he is much missed.
When just doing the job on their own - it was Reg for me. Although Harry did this more often.
In some ways I found Reg a bit like Steve Holdsworth - on his own, informative and insightful. When with Bob Mee, he just seemed to want to spout off info on boxrec and just seemed like a phony and was constantly corrected by Bob who was fantastic.
I agree with the views on Ian Darke - fantastic and much missed on the boxing scene. I miss the Ian and Jim nights and I wish Sky could bring them back for PPVs - it would almost be like the use of Buffer, it is a special night when you here Ian and Jim's tones. I would have loved to have seen Jim's views on Joshua vs Ruiz 1 and would he have noticed Joshua struggling so early.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 12:16
by Bard of Boxrec
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 11:18
I loved reg's commentary on Hagler v Hearns, 'and he's gone down in sections, like a carpenters rule' which I thought was brilliant.
I can imagine the Simile King nodding sagely to that one.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 12:52
by jamesmcdonnell
I do remember thinking 'I wish I'd said that.'
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 13:16
by Old bones Ian
Not much between them, but I preferred Harry.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 13:42
by Flump
I went back and forth on who I preferred while they were still active. Reg's catchphrases (two falls and a submission, south of the equator) got a bit monotonous but they were both fantastic. As others have said they let the action speak for itself unless they had something to offer. One current, self appointed commentator should take note.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 14:09
by forcefraser
Did Harry, Reg or Darke ever say "Oh my, he's exhaling his cheeks like a set of bellows"
Thought not. Ergo, none of them are a patch on big Ron Macintosh.
I doubt they even had the intelligence to say "salvo"
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 14:12
by Coco
Who do you love more, your mum or your dad?
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 16:52
by Roco
Darkie was also the best outside of Carpenter and Gutteridge and Watt was always the best Colour Commentator in the game with whoever he worked with. Really miss him
Did Watt work with Carpenter? I can't recall it.
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 17:05
by Roco
I think my dream team would consist of:
Presenting: Jim Rosenthal
Studio analysts: Gary Mason and Barry Mcguigan
Ringside interviews: Gary Newbon
Main commentator: Gutteridge, Carpentator or Darkie
Colour Commentator: Jim Watt
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 17:27
by dr_devious
Coco wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 09:40
I probably prefer Reg but then it's stupid to split hairs, both were great
This, Ian Darke is in the same league too
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 18:40
by Isaax
Reg was so calm, nothing phased him. Old army boy wasn't he? McGuigan on Probox was exciting
Re: Carpenter v Gutteridge
Posted: 19 Jun 2020, 19:36
by THEBUTCH
Both timeless masters, but no one tops Harry Carpenter for my money.
On radio, Ian Darke reigned supreme.
I always enjoyed Jim Rosenthal in commentary too, especially if he got a Thomas Hearns assignment. His coverage of Hearns v Duran and Dennis Andries were terrific.
I also like John Rawling and Ron McIntosh.