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The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 22:09
by elmersalsa
The great Azumah Nelson proved that he was a bad mutha when it came to rematches. Who was the best fighter, or name fighters that were the best the second time around?

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 23:00
by bwu
Joe Louis. He did better the second time against Max Schmeling, Bob Pastor, Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, Billy Conn, Arturo Godoy and Jersey Joe Walcott.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 04:41
by f read
Lennox Lewis always seemed to be better the second time around. He defeated Mccall Rahman and Holyfield.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 11:11
by Ambling Alp II
Lewis looked better than Rahman and McCall, but worse against Holyfield in their rematch.
One guy that did surprisingly well in rematches was Max Baer. Lost to Schaaf, Risko, and Farr the first time; beat them the second time. He did lose twice to Nova at the end of his career.
Ali fought a lot guys multiple times and almost always did better in the rematch.
Holyfield did pretty well in rematches as well.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 12:33
by Onetimeonly
Tarver had a great start, Dawson the only blemish. But jones, Johnson and Harding was top notch.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 13:08
by jas80s
Marciano

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 13:57
by Bodyshot3
Nelson is a good shout...especially going second time round with Fenech in Oz who was pure quality himself.

Patterson came back well (twice) after a right tanking from Johansson...definitely settled that argument.
Joe Louis also properly sorted out Max Schmeling.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 15:41
by scartissue
Koichi Wajima - was once called by a boxing mag as 'Mr. Rematch'. Performed better in all 5 of his rematches with Tetsuo Hoshino, George Carter, Miguel DeOliviera, Oscar Albarado and Jae-Do Yuh.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 15:45
by Scypion
Marvin Hagler.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 18 Jul 2020, 17:50
by elmersalsa
Azumah Nelson had:
Mario Martinez
Jeff Fenech
Marcos Villasana
Jesse James Leija
Gabriel Ruelas

Would have he beaten the great Salvador Sanchez in a rematch?

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 00:39
by oogiebe
Sugar Ray Robinson.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 06:52
by Counter-puncher
Floyd. Not that many rematches but I’d bet if he fought 5 more he’d have done better in all of them

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 02:28
by margaret thatcher
Fury did better in his 3 rematches, turned 2 decisions (1 often considered a gift to him) and a draw into 3 stoppages, arguably didnt lose a round combined in the redos

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 03:44
by Counter-puncher
margaret thatcher wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 02:28 Fury did better in his 3 rematches, turned 2 decisions (1 often considered a gift to him) and a draw into 3 stoppages, arguably didnt lose a round combined in the redos
:TU:

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 09:04
by Ambling Alp II
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 06:52 Floyd. Not that many rematches but I’d bet if he fought 5 more he’d have done better in all of them
I dunno. Some times he did better in the rematches. However, against Ali and Liston, he did worse.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 09:11
by Counter-puncher
Ambling Alp II wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 09:04
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 06:52 Floyd. Not that many rematches but I’d bet if he fought 5 more he’d have done better in all of them
I dunno. Some times he did better in the rematches. However, against Ali and Liston, he did worse.
was thinking Mayweather

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 10:06
by scartissue
Counter-puncher wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 09:11
Ambling Alp II wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 09:04
Counter-puncher wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 06:52 Floyd. Not that many rematches but I’d bet if he fought 5 more he’d have done better in all of them
I dunno. Some times he did better in the rematches. However, against Ali and Liston, he did worse.
was thinking Mayweather
Floyd only had 2 rematches his entire career. I'm leaning towards Carlos Ortiz. He had 9 rematches throughout his career and performed better in 8 of them. The rematch and rubber match with Loi I'm not certain of. Both took place in Loi's stomping grounds of Milan and I've heard some dubious things, but suffice to say Ortiz did not get the decision in either of them. But still, with the level of comp Ortiz was fighting, 8 out of 9 was pretty damn good.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 11:12
by Counter-puncher
scartissue wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 10:06
Counter-puncher wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 09:11
Ambling Alp II wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 09:04

I dunno. Some times he did better in the rematches. However, against Ali and Liston, he did worse.
was thinking Mayweather
Floyd only had 2 rematches his entire career.
I know, that's why i said 'not that many rematches' but given his ring IQ and ability to adjust within fights, and how well he handled his 2, i'd be happy to bet he'd have got better in every single rematch if he'da had more of 'em :TU:

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 15:14
by Ambling Alp II
Oh, Mayweather. :D Well, obviously Mayweather should be credit for fights that never happened. Not Patterson though.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 15:44
by Onamastus
Ambling Alp II wrote: 20 Jul 2020, 15:14 Oh, Mayweather. :D Well, obviously Mayweather should be credit for fights that never happened. Not Patterson though.
Floyd always gets credit for fights he never had. On a current scene debate Leonard was criticised for not taking fights less dangerous than the ones he did, while Floyd was praised for taking fights long after the opponent had ceased to be dangerous.

Mayweather casts an amazing spell over people.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 20 Jul 2020, 22:35
by Ambling Alp II
Could not agree more. :TU:

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 03 Aug 2020, 04:53
by provallone
oogiebe wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 00:39 Sugar Ray Robinson.
Best answer! Lost to Lamotta and destroyed him in their final bout, decisioned Zivic , kayoed him in the rematch, also when he was past his best defeated Turpin, Fullmer , Basillio, and Olson in rematches. He finally lost to Paul Pender twice in a row, but was pushing 40 by that time.

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 03 Aug 2020, 07:23
by cfang
Scypion wrote: 16 Jul 2020, 15:45 Marvin Hagler.
:TU: yes he beat watts, Monroe, finnigan, hamsho, vito a and f o. Incredible rematch record

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 03 Aug 2020, 08:44
by AntonioMartin
Sugar Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon

Not in their league obviously but Wilfredo Gomez 2-0 in rematches..

And thought he "lost" to Michael Spinks, Larry Holmes was good in rematches too.

Muhammad Ali was something like 8-0
in rematches.
To me, Joe Louis takes the title though...

Re: The Best Fighter in Rematches

Posted: 03 Aug 2020, 08:46
by AntonioMartin
elmersalsa wrote: 18 Jul 2020, 17:50 Azumah Nelson

Would have he beaten the great Salvador Sanchez in a rematch?
Depends on how far off his peak Sanchez would be.