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Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 19:53**

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... ars-future
A definite bias but what do you expect from ESPN?

Top 25 fighters under 25 by votes
Pos. Fighter Votes
1 Teofimo Lopez 119
2 David Benavidez 117
3 Shakur Stevenson 109
4 Devin Haney 105
5 Ryan Garcia 102
6 Jaime Munguia 83
7 Vergil Ortiz 79
8 Jaron Ennis 78
9 Daniel Dubois 77
10 Erickson Lubin 75
11 Brandon Figueroa 68
12 Edgar Berlanga 63
13 Lamont Roach Jr. 42
14 Chris Colbert 41
T15 Junto Nakatani 32
T15 Charles Conwell 32
17 Wilfredo Mendez 31
18 Ruben Villa 30
19 Elwin Soto 29
T20 Pedro Taduran 26
T20 Terri Harper 26
T22 Gabriel Flores Jr. 21
T22 Xander Zayas 21
24 Vito Mielnicki Jr. 19
25 David Morrell 17

Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 19:57**

What is the bias? Too pro American/Mexican or something?

A lot of legit studs there for sure. Though Lamont Roach isnt one lol

Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 20:43**

Dont feel like running the numbers bit probably heavy on the top rank

Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 20:54**

Not sure who all the dudes are with, but Teo and Shak are straight studs and should be way up there, Berlanga got that fun streak going. Those top rank ones seem fine

Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 20:55**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:57 What is the bias? Too pro American/Mexican or something?

A lot of legit studs there for sure. Though Lamont Roach isnt one lol

Those are the two nationalities that usually turn pro and are fast track earlier. Now if they did future stars 25-30, you'd find more Easter European fighgters.

Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 20:56**

Munguia is the most overrated, he ain't tr.

Posted: **24 Jul 2020, 21:38**

Mung is garbage. Poor man's margarito

Posted: **25 Jul 2020, 16:48**

Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:53 https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... ars-future
A definite bias but what do you expect from ESPN?
Top 25 fighters under 25 by votes
Pos. Fighter Votes
1 Teofimo Lopez 119
2 David Benavidez 117
3 Shakur Stevenson 109
4 Devin Haney 105
5 Ryan Garcia 102
6 Jaime Munguia 83
7 Vergil Ortiz 79
8 Jaron Ennis 78
9 Daniel Dubois 77
10 Erickson Lubin 75
11 Brandon Figueroa 68
12 Edgar Berlanga 63
13 Lamont Roach Jr. 42
14 Chris Colbert 41
T15 Junto Nakatani 32
T15 Charles Conwell 32
17 Wilfredo Mendez 31
18 Ruben Villa 30
19 Elwin Soto 29
T20 Pedro Taduran 26
T20 Terri Harper 26
T22 Gabriel Flores Jr. 21
T22 Xander Zayas 21
24 Vito Mielnicki Jr. 19
25 David Morrell 17

Which rankings do you have bias issues with mate

Posted: **25 Jul 2020, 17:07**

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 20:55
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:57 What is the bias? Too pro American/Mexican or something?

A lot of legit studs there for sure. Though Lamont Roach isnt one lol
Those are the two nationalities that usually turn pro and are fast track earlier. Now if they did future stars 25-30, you'd find more Easter European fighgters.

Very good point.

Posted: **26 Jul 2020, 20:09**

Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:53 https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... ars-future
A definite bias but what do you expect from ESPN?
Top 25 fighters under 25 by votes
Pos. Fighter Votes
1 Teofimo Lopez 119
2 David Benavidez 117
3 Shakur Stevenson 109
4 Devin Haney 105
5 Ryan Garcia 102
6 Jaime Munguia 83
7 Vergil Ortiz 79
8 Jaron Ennis 78
9 Daniel Dubois 77
10 Erickson Lubin 75
11 Brandon Figueroa 68
12 Edgar Berlanga 63
13 Lamont Roach Jr. 42
14 Chris Colbert 41
T15 Junto Nakatani 32
T15 Charles Conwell 32
17 Wilfredo Mendez 31
18 Ruben Villa 30
19 Elwin Soto 29
T20 Pedro Taduran 26
T20 Terri Harper 26
T22 Gabriel Flores Jr. 21
T22 Xander Zayas 21
24 Vito Mielnicki Jr. 19
25 David Morrell 17

Have to say, always very tough because of how subjective this kind of thing is. Personally very high on Boots Ennis. Like others have said, not sure about Munguia, especially now up at 160. He can punch for sure but is very hittable.

Roach looks very high, solid enough but don't view him as top drawer. Not sure and Steve Kim alludes to it that Mielnicki is all that.

No mention of Ginjiro Shigeoka, or his brother. Who I think have a lot of upside. Definitely would have had them on the list.

Posted: **26 Jul 2020, 20:10**

Fiodor Czerkaszyn is worth a spot too, must've just been easier for these dudes to name guys they were more familiar with, and obv that won't lean towards a polish based ukranian

Vito Melneiki wont do much, i bet he's on a total can diet for a long time. Fiodor, Liam Paro, Bek Melikuziev, Lexison Mathieu, Artem Ognesyan, Ginjiro, Jah Anderson, Brad Foster, Hamzah Sheeraz, Lee McGregor all these guys deserve spot more

Posted: **26 Jul 2020, 20:25**

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 20:55
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:57 What is the bias? Too pro American/Mexican or something?

A lot of legit studs there for sure. Though Lamont Roach isnt one lol
Those are the two nationalities that usually turn pro and are fast track earlier. Now if they did future stars 25-30, you'd find more Easter European fighgters.

True, but there are a lot of good Asian/Euro/Aus fighters under 25 who deserve spots more than some of these guys, if there is any bias it's not some Top Rank one as alluded to, but lack of familiarity with 'international' overseas guys, most of whom dont get as much coverage on the regular usa media. I think it's just easier for people to pick guys theyve seen more in the broadcasts from their area

Lexson Mathieu another guy who easily deserves a spot more than a guy like Vito, just from UK also Lee McGregor, Brad Foster, Hamzah Sheeraz, etc I'm sure hardly anyone who voted recognizes him them though lol

Posted: **26 Jul 2020, 20:43**

El Raincoat wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 20:09
Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:53 https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... ars-future
A definite bias but what do you expect from ESPN?
Top 25 fighters under 25 by votes
Pos. Fighter Votes
1 Teofimo Lopez 119
2 David Benavidez 117
3 Shakur Stevenson 109
4 Devin Haney 105
5 Ryan Garcia 102
6 Jaime Munguia 83
7 Vergil Ortiz 79
8 Jaron Ennis 78
9 Daniel Dubois 77
10 Erickson Lubin 75
11 Brandon Figueroa 68
12 Edgar Berlanga 63
13 Lamont Roach Jr. 42
14 Chris Colbert 41
T15 Junto Nakatani 32
T15 Charles Conwell 32
17 Wilfredo Mendez 31
18 Ruben Villa 30
19 Elwin Soto 29
T20 Pedro Taduran 26
T20 Terri Harper 26
T22 Gabriel Flores Jr. 21
T22 Xander Zayas 21
24 Vito Mielnicki Jr. 19
25 David Morrell 17

Have to say, always very tough because of how subjective this kind of thing is. Personally very high on Boots Ennis. Like others have said, not sure about Munguia, especially now up at 160. He can punch for sure but is very hittable.

Roach looks very high, solid enough but don't view him as top drawer. Not sure and Steve Kim alludes to it that Mielnicki is all that.

No mention of Ginjiro Shigeoka, or his brother. Who I think have a lot of upside. Definitely would have had them on the list.

Jah Ennis is a studly beast

His amateur rival Gary Antuanne Russell could easily be here if his team wasnt f@cking around with his career so much, this dude should be pushed much harder and stepped up

Posted: **03 Aug 2020, 18:14**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Jul 2020, 16:48
Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 19:53 https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/ ... ars-future
A definite bias but what do you expect from ESPN?
Top 25 fighters under 25 by votes
Pos. Fighter Votes
1 Teofimo Lopez 119
2 David Benavidez 117
3 Shakur Stevenson 109
4 Devin Haney 105
5 Ryan Garcia 102
6 Jaime Munguia 83
7 Vergil Ortiz 79
8 Jaron Ennis 78
9 Daniel Dubois 77
10 Erickson Lubin 75
11 Brandon Figueroa 68
12 Edgar Berlanga 63
13 Lamont Roach Jr. 42
14 Chris Colbert 41
T15 Junto Nakatani 32
T15 Charles Conwell 32
17 Wilfredo Mendez 31
18 Ruben Villa 30
19 Elwin Soto 29
T20 Pedro Taduran 26
T20 Terri Harper 26
T22 Gabriel Flores Jr. 21
T22 Xander Zayas 21
24 Vito Mielnicki Jr. 19
25 David Morrell 17

Which rankings do you have bias issues with mate

IMO

D Mendez > Too high
R Garcia > Too high
Munguia > Way too high
V Ortiz > Too low
Lubin > Too high
B Figueroa > Way too high
L Roach Jr > Not even top 40
W Mendez > Too high
T Harper > ESPN PC
V Mielnicki > Too high

LEFT OUT BUT SHOULD BE ON
Ginjiro Shigeoka
Artem Oganesyan
Hector Tanajara
Sadriddin Akhmedov
Musashi Mori

Posted: **03 Aug 2020, 18:15**

Good points, the Roach one is the weirdest to me, like was half the poll made up of his family?

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 12:08**

I agree about Roach shouldn't be on this list but I think some are being to hard on him. He was very competitive with a world champion. Some of these guys are not ready for world champs.

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 12:34**

He won about 3 rounds vs a weak champ, though he did hurt him near the end. Didnt he also draw with loverboi.

He's not bad but he's weirdly high on that list

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 12:44**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 12:34 He won about 3 rounds vs a weak champ, though he did hurt him near the end. Didnt he also draw with loverboi.

He's not bad but he's weirdly high on that list

How is he that different from Lubin who got destroyed in his step again at least he was competitive against Herring. I thought he won more than 3 rounds. We just pick and choose he we single out he did better than Lubin did in his step getting caught cold or not and he's done the same amount of accomplishment that Garcia has which is none. Again I'm not saying Roach deserve to be on this list but to single him out seems kinda strange.

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 12:55**

It's not strange at all, he's beaten no one, fell short when he stepped up, and couldn't even beat little loverboi. Garcia and Lubin already have better wins and just look much better anyway. Who are you gonna bet on going farther ? You think Ryan Garcia can't beat loverboi or would only win 3 rounds vs Herring?

Him way up at 13 is just strange, you already agreed he shouldnt be on the list but now it's strange to mention him being not only there but at 13? LOL

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 14:34**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 12:55 It's not strange at all, he's beaten no one, fell short when he stepped up, and couldn't even beat little loverboi. Garcia and Lubin already have better wins and just look much better anyway. Who are you gonna bet on going farther ? You think Ryan Garcia can't beat loverboi or would only win 3 rounds vs Herring?

Him way up at 13 is just strange, you already agreed he shouldnt be on the list but now it's strange to mention him being not only there but at 13? LOL

Lubin and Garcia has better wins against who. Did they beat guys who were miles better than Roach beat. Also you tend to leaving out Lubin getting washed in his step despite what small better wins he has. At best C level guys just like Roach. Garcia best win compared to Roach best win Jonathan Oquendo is not far of. Lubin beat a washed Ishe Smith again not that far off. But if you wanna argue C-level wins be my guest and this time don't ignore Lubin getting washed in his step up.

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 14:38**

Garcia beat Velez, Morales, Fonsceca, Duno....in impressive style too, a pretty good run of C+ers. Never held to a draw by a tiny little dude like loverboi. And who wouldn't favour him over Herring?I'm sure he'd win more than 3 rounds lol.

Lubin got wiped by Charlo , sure, but Charlo is a hell of a lot better than King Covid. Lubin also blanked a dude who knocked out the current unified champ, and doesnt lose a round vs C level guys like loverboi.

Roach's limits already been shown, and it's clear he's not as good or got the same potential. Would you bet on him to do more than these guys? You yourself said he shouldnt even be on the list, yet now you're his warrior. lol wtf

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 14:53**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 14:38 Garcia beat Velez, Morales, Fonsceca, Duno....in impressive style too, a pretty good run of C+ers. Never held to a draw by a tiny little dude like loverboi. And who wouldn't favour him over Herring?I'm sure he'd win more than 3 rounds lol.

Lubin got wiped by Charlo , sure, but Charlo is a hell of a lot better than King Covid. Lubin also blanked a dude who knocked out the current unified champ, and doesnt lose a round vs C level guys like loverboi.

Roach's limits already been shown, and it's clear he's not as good or got the same potential. Would you bet on him to do more than these guys? You yourself said he shouldnt even be on the list, yet now you're his warrior. lol wtf

WHo tf is Morales and Fonseca ever beat thats relevant? The same guys Oquendo and Cruz beat same level. Velez just got washed like Lubin did. Garcia is a way better prospect. I bet if he fought Roach public would say he's Garcia best opponent though he would lose says much about Garcia opponents.

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 14:58**

Theyre both tough C+ level guys, I had Fonsceca beating Dilly last time out before he fought Garcia, and he lasted longer with Tank than pretty much anyone. Lol no chance Garcia or Lubin draw with dudes at loverbois level, they are obviously better fighters and better prospects. Like I keep saying, who would you bet to go farther between them?

You say Roach shouldnt be on the list but then you have become his bodyguard, I don't get it man

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 15:12**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Aug 2020, 14:58 Theyre both tough C+ level guys, I had Fonsceca beating Dilly last time out before he fought Garcia, and he lasted longer with Tank than pretty much anyone. Lol no chance Garcia or Lubin draw with dudes at loverbois level, they are obviously better fighters and better prospects. Like I keep saying, who would you bet to go farther between them?

You say Roach shouldnt be on the list but then you have become his bodyguard, I don't get it man

Who is Dilly(I know) but just saying he's not relevant in his division no more than (Cruz, Roach, Oquendo, Fonseca). Lasting long against fighter is still losing in non competitive fashion. Roach has never been in an uncompetitive fight even in a world title fight which to me is can't be said about some on this list. I believe Garcia to go further per the convo regarding the Campbell fight. I'm defending him because most our just outing him like its a big difference in opponents with him and everyone else. Roach upside isn't much but he's not going to crash and burn like some will/have on that list.

Posted: **04 Aug 2020, 15:19**

Lol so should Roach be up there so high on the list or not

It's 2 f@cking people in this thread who mentioned him as being overrated in the list, wow , so huge!! the whole forum is rallying against him, you gotta run to his defense bruh

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