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Isn't it supposed to be KO or something? What's that "Technical count out" horseshit?

I agree, but the ref did not count so I don't know the answer.

Brutal killing?! Calm down there

KOs majorly scored, when a referee gives a full count and fighters don't make it. Although rules can vary.

DrDuke wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 08:30 KOs majorly scored, when a referee gives a full count and fighters don't make it. Although rules can vary.

Yup!

If the rest starts the count and stops midway to call it, it’s TKO.

If the ref stops if after a KD, or whilst the boxers are still on their feet, then it’s a TKO as well.

The only time it’s a KO, is when the ref gives a full 10 count.

I do think in Whyte’s case and many before this, it should be ruled a straight KO.

Noxy wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 08:16 Brutal killing?! Calm down there

Referee must count to 10 to KO result, when its immediate waved its TKO, am i wrong ?

Whyte lost and got stopped. Enough said.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 11:38 Referee must count to 10 to KO result, when its immediate waved its TKO, am i wrong ?

No, you're 100% correct. Puzzling any fan on this message board doesn't know that.

In my mind TKO was always associated with the referee or corner stopping the fight when a boxer is unable to continue while standing on his feet or between the rounds.

While KO was more about him lying on the floor unable to get up and it doesn't matter if it's stopped immediately or by the end of the count.

TKO just doesn't look as good on paper compared to KO.

Alex1751 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 13:50 In my mind TKO was always associated with the referee or corner stopping the fight when a boxer is unable to continue while standing on his feet or between the rounds.

While KO was more about him lying on the floor unable to get up and it doesn't matter if it's stopped immediately or by the end of the count.

TKO just doesn't look as good on paper compared to KO.

TKO has become more commonplace as refs are prone to stop fights earlier in this day and age, but I agree it does look prettier without the T. There’s not much point in counting out a fighter in Whyte’s situation where he’s clearly knocked out. Better to get the cornermen and doctors in as fast as possible.

Can someone help me understand the difference between a RTD and a TKO when a corner stops a fight between rounds? My understanding has always been that it’s a TKO if stopped by the ref or doctor between rounds and a RTD if the cornermen stop it. But if the corner throws the towel in during a round it’s a TKO. Anything I’m getting wrong here?

Alex1751 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 13:50 In my mind TKO was always associated with the referee or corner stopping the fight when a boxer is unable to continue while standing on his feet or between the rounds.

While KO was more about him lying on the floor unable to get up and it doesn't matter if it's stopped immediately or by the end of the count.

TKO just doesn't look as good on paper compared to KO.

The referee stopping the fight before 10 is the technicality. I get it, always rubbed me slightly wrong too, but no need for the ref to waste 10 seconds that could be used on medical care to get the ko on the official record.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 15:12

Alex1751 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 13:50 In my mind TKO was always associated with the referee or corner stopping the fight when a boxer is unable to continue while standing on his feet or between the rounds.

While KO was more about him lying on the floor unable to get up and it doesn't matter if it's stopped immediately or by the end of the count.

TKO just doesn't look as good on paper compared to KO.

The referee stopping the fight before 10 is the technicality. I get it, always rubbed me slightly wrong too, but no need for the ref to waste 10 seconds that could be used on medical care to get the ko on the official record.

It should be a KO... Pac-JMM is a KO. I think they changed that method of recording a while back.

The rules should be fixed. There should be KO, if a referee waves instead of a (full) count, when a fighter simply falls unconscious.

yeah should be a KO x3

One of the most obvious examplars of a KO I've seen. Whyte was absolutely arseholed. I had always thought a TKO was when the referee stopped the fight from a standing position or a cut, not when the bloke is unconscious.

Ricky wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 15:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 15:12

Alex1751 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2020, 13:50 In my mind TKO was always associated with the referee or corner stopping the fight when a boxer is unable to continue while standing on his feet or between the rounds.

While KO was more about him lying on the floor unable to get up and it doesn't matter if it's stopped immediately or by the end of the count.

TKO just doesn't look as good on paper compared to KO.

The referee stopping the fight before 10 is the technicality. I get it, always rubbed me slightly wrong too, but no need for the ref to waste 10 seconds that could be used on medical care to get the ko on the official record.

It should be a KO... Pac-JMM is a KO. I think they changed that method of recording a while back.

I don't recall when they did. Jmm definitely knocked out pac.

I don’t know the official rules now, but a KO should be on the floor iced or a count to 10 with the fighter no getting to their feet.

Everything else, a TKO e.g. ref stoppage with fighter on feet, cut or retirement.

It really doesn’t matter, but the Whyte KO should’ve been recorded as a KO. No doubt there.

Interesting topic. I looked up Ring’s list of Knockout of the Year Awards, and the only TKO on the list in the past 10 years was Stevenson TKO Dawson. It was a beautiful knockdown but Dawson actually beat the count and the ref waved it off while Dawson was on his feet, hence the TKO. Interestingly, a similar stoppage happened when Donaire stopped Montiel but that fight was ruled a KO even though Montiel was stopped on his feet.

In conclusion, I think TKO’s and KO’s are lazily categorized interchangeably to a degree these days. When a fighter is introduced, they state the number of “knockouts’” after his record regardless of whether they were TKOs or KOs. My two cents .

The Montiel stoppage was ridiculous, no way should a guy be allowed to continue when he's just gone for a f@cking bicycle ride on the canvas

Groves made it back to his feet vs Froch too, but that was ruled a ko. tHINGs seem a bit all over the place tbh, i've never really cared much, there are lots of brutal tkos and lots of brutal kos, and some that arent so heavy. you have to actually watch the knockout, a tko vs ko alone wont tell you

The montiel fight resumed right?

Did the ref count to 10 when jackson drilled graham?

Ya, Montiel fight continued, ridiculous

I was confused at this too. It was a clean KO, Whyte was out on his feet before hitting the canvas. A count was the last thing needed. On a different note, I saw a clip of Whyte sparring Vitali from 2012 I think. Had no idea this happened. Sparring is so fascinating, the stories that go on untold.

Sometimes for a bad KO it is a technical count out which is listed as a TKO but then when the ref jumps in because it is too one sided it is described as a technical knock out and listed as a TKO so obv there is a lot of scope for confusion!