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Other than CW to HW, I think 147-154 is one of the biggest natural size differences. Erroll Spence is considered a huge 147lber but he's similar in size to Erickson Lubin and Erislandy Lara, who are considered a small 154lbers. It's hard to see the current crop of welters not being outsided at 154 as opposed to when someone like Tito did it. I also think the boxers at 130 are naturally a lot smaller than the guys at 135.

I found this interesting post by Jan Modric online.

"How is body weight distributed between bones, organs, muscle and fat?

Approximate body weight distribution for a lean adult:

Bone: men 15%; women 10%
Muscle: men 45%; women 37%
Organs: men and women: 25%
Fat: men 15%; women 28%

Source: Advanced Human Nutrition
By Denis Medeiros, Robert Wildman (p. 198)

Few facts:

Your bone thickness and thus bone weight is genetically determined, so, in a healthy person it does not change considerably with muscle or fat gain or loss.

The amount of muscle mass in healthy untrained individuals is largerly genetically determined. You should not expect to increase your muscle mass by eating more food or more protein without training.

The scope of muscle gain with training is limited by your genetics.

During weight loss (calorie-deficient diet) you lose both body fat mass and muscle mass.

At the start of weight loss you lose mainly fat, but by continuing losing fat, the percent of your muscle loss will start to increase."



This suggests much of what we already know. It's important to lose as much fat as possible but at some point you'll start to lose muscle too.

The usual way around it is to dehydrate before the weigh-in and then rehydrate immediately after.

Therefore much of boxing involves fights where people of different ages and sizes (height, reach and weight) compete against each other.

For any boxer, especially the more static slugger type, it's absolutely vital to know what your ideal fighting weight is. Otherwise you might be going in against an opponent who is starting with a 10-15% advantage from the opening bell!

This also applies to a lesser extent in the heavyweight division where too much weight is undesirable but where there should be no risk of losing too much fat/muscle - not even if you're Deontay Wilder.

https://www.quora.com/How-is-body-weigh ... le-and-fat

People tend to consider tall boxers weight bullies and did not realize some of the short fighters are built like tanks. But i agree, some guys rehydrate a lot. Just watched Jermall Charlo vs Austin Trout at 154.Charlo was big af. Spence is big welterweigt as you said. Josh Taylor is pretty huge at 140. Look at Terrence Crawford at 135, also insane. Broner at 126.

Although Super-middle seems to have vanished off the map as an exciting division, the size difference between middleweights and SMW's used to seem very stark to me. Middlewight you have ex-welters and guys that are like 5'7"-5'10" (and in boxing especially around those weight classes you normally have to take at least an inch off a listed height, like if a MW is introduced as 5'10 I automatically think they're probably a shade over 5'8"). At it's peak, in the 2000's the super middleweight division looked like Junior Light heavyweight. Like straight-up slightly bigger than average guys and when middleweights, even 'big' middleweights, like Chavez jnr or Kelly Pavlik or Arthur Abraham moved up to the weight they got spanked. SMW's seemed to make the transition to LHW much easier and have more success, because that's where they really belonged.

Of course, SWM is a wasteland now and that's why a guy like Canelo can just pick up belts off of crap fighters no matter how much height and reach they have on him. I wonder how he'd have managed the super six?

Cyclops wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 07:53 Although Super-middle seems to have vanished off the map as an exciting division, the size difference between middleweights and SMW's used to seem very stark to me. Middlewight you have ex-welters and guys that are like 5'7"-5'10" (and in boxing especially around those weight classes you normally have to take at least an inch off a listed height, like if a MW is introduced as 5'10 I automatically think they're probably a shade over 5'8"). At it's peak, in the 2000's the super middleweight division looked like Junior Light heavyweight. Like straight-up slightly bigger than average guys and when middleweights, even 'big' middleweights, like Chavez jnr or Kelly Pavlik or Arthur Abraham moved up to the weight they got spanked. SMW's seemed to make the transition to LHW much easier and have more success, because that's where they really belonged.

Of course, SWM is a wasteland now and that's why a guy like Canelo can just pick up belts off of crap fighters no matter how much height and reach they have on him. I wonder how he'd have managed the super six?

Agree, but i also think Canelo is a special fighter. And it's not like he's beating the likes of Plant or Callium Smith yet.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 12:59

Cyclops wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 07:53 Although Super-middle seems to have vanished off the map as an exciting division, the size difference between middleweights and SMW's used to seem very stark to me. Middlewight you have ex-welters and guys that are like 5'7"-5'10" (and in boxing especially around those weight classes you normally have to take at least an inch off a listed height, like if a MW is introduced as 5'10 I automatically think they're probably a shade over 5'8"). At it's peak, in the 2000's the super middleweight division looked like Junior Light heavyweight. Like straight-up slightly bigger than average guys and when middleweights, even 'big' middleweights, like Chavez jnr or Kelly Pavlik or Arthur Abraham moved up to the weight they got spanked. SMW's seemed to make the transition to LHW much easier and have more success, because that's where they really belonged.

Of course, SWM is a wasteland now and that's why a guy like Canelo can just pick up belts off of crap fighters no matter how much height and reach they have on him. I wonder how he'd have managed the super six?

Agree, but i also think Canelo is a special fighter. And it's not like he's beating the likes of Plant or Callium Smith yet.

As much as I dislike the entitled little ginger twat I cannot disagree with you there, and also he's an absolute tank who enjoys strength advantage no matter what weight he seems to fight at. But all he's had are cherrypicks moving upwards (Kovalev is a name, but long past his prime and had already mentally resigned himself to a loss before even getting in the ring). Him against Callum Smith would be interesting, but that's it.

I wonder how he'd have fared against Andre Ward, Mekkel Kessler, Carl Froch and even Andre Dirrell, before he started diving all over the place like a footballer. Calzaghe and Ward would've been serious obstacles.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 06:09 People tend to consider tall boxers weight bullies and did not realize some of the short fighters are built like tanks. But i agree, some guys rehydrate a lot. Just watched Jermall Charlo vs Austin Trout at 154.Charlo was big af. Spence is big welterweigt as you said. Josh Taylor is pretty huge at 140. Look at Terrence Crawford at 135, also insane. Broner at 126.

ya thats a good point, size isnt always just about height, paul williams was freakishly tall but he was a skinny as f@ck built dude, had legs and arms like twigs, whereas a guy like Callum Smith is very tall for his division but also thickly/muscular built

i have not ever considered paul williams to be a 'weight bully' even though he towered over his opponents

one of the most noticable size differences i saw in recent years outside hw was nonito donaire vs omar navarez, funny thing is i think it was donaire moving up, but he made omar looky laughably tiny

nonito for me was one of the main 'weight bullies' of recent years, so many fights his opponents just looked tiny compared to him, even when he was moving up

of course, i get the point that if you can make the weight, then all is legit, but some dudes defo can play that game better than others

What a strange post. Something seems this way or that way..... did you know that mankind invented something called mathematics 1000s of years ago. Using this technology youd see instantly that there is nothing really special about the difference between 147 and 154, its 4.8% which is less than the jump from jr ww to ww.

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Cruiserweight 200 14.20%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

H8Usernames wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 22:15 What a strange post. Something seems this way or that way..... did you know that mankind invented something called mathematics 1000s of years ago. Using this technology youd see instantly that there is nothing really special about the difference between 147 and 154, its 4.8% which is less than the jump from jr ww to ww.

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Cruiserweight 200 14.20%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

I meant in the current landscape, the actual size differences between the fighters. For example, most of the top boxers at 140 could probably move up to 147 and compete with no problem. Crawford and D. Garcia are proof of that. However, none of the guys currently at 147 could move up to 154 without being dwarfed.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 22:15 What a strange post. Something seems this way or that way..... did you know that mankind invented something called mathematics 1000s of years ago. Using this technology youd see instantly that there is nothing really special about the difference between 147 and 154, its 4.8% which is less than the jump from jr ww to ww.

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Cruiserweight 200 14.20%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 22:33

H8Usernames wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 22:15 What a strange post. Something seems this way or that way..... did you know that mankind invented something called mathematics 1000s of years ago. Using this technology youd see instantly that there is nothing really special about the difference between 147 and 154, its 4.8% which is less than the jump from jr ww to ww.

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Cruiserweight 200 14.20%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

I meant in the current landscape, the actual size differences between the fighters. For example, most of the top boxers at 140 could probably move up to 147 and compete with no problem. Crawford and D. Garcia are proof of that. However, none of the guys currently at 147 could move up to 154 without being dwarfed.

Yeah, weight cutting game has gotten more competetive I suppose and there probably arent any future atg's currently at ww.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑21 Sep 2020, 01:47

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 22:33

H8Usernames wrote: ↑20 Sep 2020, 22:15 What a strange post. Something seems this way or that way..... did you know that mankind invented something called mathematics 1000s of years ago. Using this technology youd see instantly that there is nothing really special about the difference between 147 and 154, its 4.8% which is less than the jump from jr ww to ww.

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Cruiserweight 200 14.20%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

I meant in the current landscape, the actual size differences between the fighters. For example, most of the top boxers at 140 could probably move up to 147 and compete with no problem. Crawford and D. Garcia are proof of that. However, none of the guys currently at 147 could move up to 154 without being dwarfed.

Yeah, weight cutting game has gotten more competetive I suppose and there probably arent any future atg's currently at ww.

147 in general are more skilled and a little more accomplished than 154 in my opinion. 154 fighters are just huge. Julian William's is considered average size and he's around the size of Ennis and bigger than Soence.