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Most pro boxers have either fought recently or are scheduled to fight before the end of 2020. But it looks like Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder will be among the few who will not fight in 2020.

I realize they might have to stage Wilder-Fury III without a live audience, but the PPV will certainly sell very well (although interest may decrease the longer they put the fight off). Boxers and promoters need to face the reality of less revenue due to Covid restrictions.

Wouldn't it be wise to get the fight over with in December? I know Fury is ready to fight anytime, and I imagine Wilder is willing too. But is there some promotional issue holding up the fight?

There's this thing that's kinda stopped the world in it's tracks this year called Covid-19.

Since this is your first day out from under a rock, I'll give you a chance to look it up.

Money

The promotion lost money last time. Without a crowd it will be worse

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:03 Money

The promotion lost money last time. Without a crowd it will be worse

Fury vs Wilder 2 lost money?

Didn't they sell like 900K PPV's?

How many did they need to fornicating sell?

Over 900K is more than Holyfield vs Tyson 2 which held the record for best selling Boxing PPV of all time for about 10 years.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 12:49 There's this thing that's kinda stopped the world in it's tracks this year called Covid-19.

Since this is your first day out from under a rock, I'll give you a chance to look it up.

Sure, we all know Covid stopped boxing for several months.

But as I said in the opening post, nearly every other pro boxer has either fought in the past few weeks (Taylor, the Charlos, Briedis, Povetkin, Whyte, etc) or is scheduled to fight before the end of the year (Joshua, Lomachenko, Gassiev, Beterbiev, Davis, Usyk, etc).

It looks like Wilder and Fury will be among the few who will not fight in 2020.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:27

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 12:49 There's this thing that's kinda stopped the world in it's tracks this year called Covid-19.

Since this is your first day out from under a rock, I'll give you a chance to look it up.

Sure, we all know Covid stopped boxing for several months.

But as I said in the opening post, nearly every other pro boxer has either fought in the past few weeks (Taylor, the Charlos, Briedis, Povetkin, Whyte, etc) or is scheduled to fight before the end of the year (Joshua, Lomachenko, Gassiev, Beterbiev, Davis, Usyk, etc).

It looks like Wilder and Fury will be among the few who will not fight in 2020.

Look at the names you didn't mention though.

Canelo and Pacquiao along with Fury and Wilder.

The biggest draws. The ones who demand the most money. They can't be paid without an audience, without a live gate.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:06

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:03 Money

The promotion lost money last time. Without a crowd it will be worse

Fury vs Wilder 2 lost money?

Didn't they sell like 900K PPV's?

How many did they need to fornicating sell?

Over 900K is more than Holyfield vs Tyson 2 which held the record for best selling Boxing PPV of all time for about 10 years.

Guarantee 40mm in salary thats how you lose money. 1mm sales was breakeven from what i heard

Pardon me, guarantee 56 million in salary not 40

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:34

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:06

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:03 Money

The promotion lost money last time. Without a crowd it will be worse

Fury vs Wilder 2 lost money?

Didn't they sell like 900K PPV's?

How many did they need to fornicating sell?

Over 900K is more than Holyfield vs Tyson 2 which held the record for best selling Boxing PPV of all time for about 10 years.

Guarantee 40mm in salary thats how you lose money. 1mm sales was breakeven from what i heard

If you're counting on selling 1 Million PPV's to make a profit. You deserve to lose money because you're a f*cking idiot.

That's like counting on rain not to make you wet.

i thought they did like 800 k buys, at least in us

also, as jeff notes, you cant just look at buys alone, if you pay dudes huge then you gotta do huge

not only is there huge purses, but then all the expenses on advertising, pay for the dudes putting it on , etc

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:40 i thought they did like 800 k buys, at least in us

also, as jeff notes, you cant just look at buys alone, if you pay dudes huge then you gotta do huge

not only is there huge purses, but then all the expenses on advertising, pay for the dudes putting it on , etc

Don't pay guys more than they're worth.

If you didn't make any profit that's exactly what you did. Which makes you a sh*t businessman.

ya, obviously they are no Trump

Does anyone know what happened to Tony Yokas last fight? It vanished off of his record.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:45 ya, obviously they are no Trump

Poor business decisions is actually exactly like Trump

But that's neither here nor there.

No Boxer should ever be guaranteed 40 Million dollars. That's just goddamn stupid.

I wouldn't even guarantee them 5.

You want 40 Million dollars? Well then get 40 Million dollars worth of interested people to pay to see this f*cking fight.

making hundreds of millions while legally paying only 750 dollars in tax, having to pay out more to porn stars then the fed gov, that is a man who knows his business!

but i will keep that to the other section for now

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 12:43 Most pro boxers have either fought recently or are scheduled to fight before the end of 2020.

I can't imagine how anyone could think this. Boxrec ratings currently show 23,816 active fighters. I seriously doubt that even 5% of this number has been active since the COVID stoppage. In fact, I'm thinking that pro boxing, which has been struggling for years, is going to lose a pretty significant number of fans and participants and will become an even more marginalized sport. Prior to the pandemic the majority of boxing shows were not televised and only existed because of paid attendance.

Until the pandemic is over, there is going to continue to be a drastic reduction in the number of fight cards, and most boxers will be forced to either move on to something else, or at least pause their careers until after the pandemic is under control and normal attendance can be allowed for fight cards.

As far as these ridiculously high paydays for the big name boxers - guys like Wilder, Fury, Canelo will either have to be willing to take less, or they'll be idled until the sport is back to something like it used to be and big money gates are possible. Even then I expect promoters will be hesitant to pay the types of money to these guys that they seem to expect now.

I'm just glad we're going to get Lopez-Loma on ESPN, which is a much more interesting fight than anything in the HW division.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:51

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:45 ya, obviously they are no Trump

Poor business decisions is actually exactly like Trump

But that's neither here nor there.

No Boxer should ever be guaranteed 40 Million dollars. That's just goddamn stupid.

I wouldn't even guarantee them 5.

You want 40 Million dollars? Well then get 40 Million dollars worth of interested people to pay to see this f*cking fight.

It was 56 million in guaranteed salary for both of them

So you figure

67.5 million ppv revenue in US
16mm gate

Half ppv rev goes to cable leaving about 34mm so they are still short 7 million for the salary alone!

Granted uk ppv monies probably covered that but think of all the other expenses that werent covered!

The Great John L wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:58

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 12:43 Most pro boxers have either fought recently or are scheduled to fight before the end of 2020.

I can't imagine how anyone could think this. Boxrec ratings currently show 23,816 active fighters. I seriously doubt that even 5% of this number has been active since the COVID stoppage. In fact, I'm thinking that pro boxing, which has been struggling for years, is going to lose a pretty significant number of fans and participants and will become an even more marginalized sport. Prior to the pandemic the majority of boxing shows were not televised and only existed because of paid attendance.

Until the pandemic is over, there is going to continue to be a drastic reduction in the number of fight cards, and most boxers will be forced to either move on to something else, or at least pause their careers until after the pandemic is under control and normal attendance can be allowed for fight cards.

As far as these ridiculously high paydays for the big name boxers - guys like Wilder, Fury, Canelo will either have to be willing to take less, or they'll be idled until the sport is back to something like it used to be and big money gates are possible. Even then I expect promoters will be hesitant to pay the types of money to these guys that they seem to expect now.

I'm just glad we're going to get Lopez-Loma on ESPN, which is a much more interesting fight than anything in the HW division.

20 Million dollar + guarantees in the contract should've never started in the first place.

COVID-19.

The Great John L wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:58 I can't imagine how anyone could think this.

I meant most well-known or high-profile boxers, the higher ranked boxers in each division.

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:08

The Great John L wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 13:58Most pro boxers have either fought recently or are scheduled to fight before the end of 2020.

I can't imagine how anyone could think this.

I meant most well-known or high-profile boxers, the higher ranked boxers in each division.
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A lot of them are fighting, but they're mostly fighting a B side you've never heard of.

I don't believe the reported pay per view buys or the reported guaranteed purses. I do believe the promotion lost money.

Fury will push for the Joshua fight in spring providing Pulev doesn't throw a wrench in.

Hard to sell the US casual public that WIlder has a chance in the 3 fight. He may have a chance but to sell to the masses after the second fight is difficult.

world ranked wrote: ↑29 Sep 2020, 14:33 Hard to sell the US casual public that WIlder has a chance in the 3 fight. He may have a chance but to sell to the masses after the second fight is difficult.

The 3rd fight won't sell half as many PPV's.

Wilder had his shot in the 1st bout when Fury still wasn't all the way back, and he didn't get it done. He'll never beat Fury.

I'd still love to see Wilder vs Joshua actually. I'm not particularly interested in seeing Fury vs Wilder fight anymore.

Way out of this one is step aside cash for Wilder. That or just get it on for 10.000$ winner takes all at the gym.

I would like to see some more Wilder and Fury fights but not vs eachother.

After Joshua gets done cashing out vs Fury who will be left? Maybe Taishan Dong or Joe Joyce, cant think of anyone else.