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Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 05:11
by Ruthless-RKO
Sources: Showtime’s PPV doubleheader featuring the Charlo twins is expected to generate more than 100,000 buys with a chance to top out at 120,000. PPV debut for Jermall and Jermell, and they went up against NBA Conference Final and UFC 253
— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger)
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 05:13
by Ruthless-RKO
UFC 253 did 700k globally..
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 09:22
by Enlightened-One
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 05:11
Sources: Showtime’s PPV doubleheader featuring the Charlo twins is expected to generate more than 100,000 buys with a chance to top out at 120,000. PPV debut for Jermall and Jermell, and they went up against NBA Conference Final and UFC 253
— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger)
So the PPV event generated roughly $9m in revenue, with the total combined cost of the guaranteed purses for all the fighters competing both main events being $3.15m.
Whilst it’s easy to get bogged down with the PPV buy-rate, we need to remember the reason these events are being staged in the first place, which is to generate money.
For instance, even though the Crawford-Khan PPV achieved 150K buys, it was $15 cheaper than last weekend's Charlo brothers card and the total combined guaranteed purse pot for Crawford-Khan was $10.5m.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 09:33
by Onetimeonly
Lol, dishonest "rough" figures taking the max x the max cost. I paid $65. The cable companies get half so even with your dishonest math it wasn't a success.
That being said, it's the only way to make semi interesting fights without crowds.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:36
by jujigatame
More than I thought they'd get, honestly. Probably enough revenue to at least break even, maybe a little gravy on top.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:40
by Ruthless-RKO
jujigatame wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:36
More than I thought they'd get, honestly. Probably enough revenue to at least break even, maybe a little gravy on top.
Was £15 in the UK as well on FITE tv.. Not sure how many people in the UK would have bought it.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:43
by margaret thatcher
how much was the total payouts, not just purses but how much all the fighters get in the end
and how much of the ppv money actually goes to paying the fighters, not the tv companies and other ppl who worked on the fight etc
i guess its a lot easier to get over the line if you arent doing like 40 m in excessive payouts to the fighters
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:49
by jujigatame
Supposedly the 2 main event fights combined had guaranteed purses of $3.15m. They may also get additional PPV money but I would assume the contracts would only give them additional money if the card did better than break-even.
I dunno what the undercard fighters got but if this was anything like most boxing cards I would suspect it's a small fraction of what the main eventers got.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:50
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 09:22
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 05:11
Sources: Showtime’s PPV doubleheader featuring the Charlo twins is expected to generate more than 100,000 buys with a chance to top out at 120,000. PPV debut for Jermall and Jermell, and they went up against NBA Conference Final and UFC 253
— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger)
So the PPV event generated roughly $9m in revenue, with the total combined cost of the guaranteed purses for all the fighters competing both main events being $3.15m.
Whilst it’s easy to get bogged down with the PPV buy-rate, we need to remember the reason these events are being staged in the first place, which is to generate money.
For instance, even though the Crawford-Khan PPV achieved 150K buys, it was $15 cheaper than last weekend's Charlo brothers card and the total combined guaranteed purse pot for Crawford-Khan was $10.5m.
So 9mm
Minus the cable cut of 50 percent
4.5mm rev total
Figures i saw for guaranteed purses for main event only was 3.65mm for the 4 fighters
Leaving 850k
My guess is after paying all the fighters and admin costs it is about breakeven
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:51
by Ruthless-RKO
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:43
how much was the total payouts, not just purses but how much all the fighters get in the end
I bet it was around $4-$5m total for purses for the whole card.. Including the main events. Undercarders probably all got less than $250k each..
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:43
and how much of the ppv money actually goes to paying the fighters, not the tv companies and other ppl who worked on the fight etc
After half the ppv revenue goes to Showtime, the rest is split based on what % of revenue was agreed prior to the fight.
Just for fvcks sake, Let's say the event done $8.4m in ppv revenue. They're left with $4.2m. Not all boxers get a cut in PPV's do they? I'm guessing only Jerm and Jarm got revenue cuts. The rest were probably on a base purse as if they're on a regular Showtime card.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:54
by Jeff_lacy_ko
My math is above.
Important to note SHOWTIME does NOT get that 50 percent off the top. Carriers do ie directtv, cable companies, etc they take 40 and showtime gets 10
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 11:59
by jujigatame
Yea I think your math is probably close to accurate. Looks like break-even or very close to it.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 15:14
by gilgamesh
Surprised it did that well.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 15:27
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Is the price was 40 dollars, would the sales be doubled???
Id say yes
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 15:28
by gregregegg
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:54
My math is above.
Important to note SHOWTIME does NOT get that 50 percent off the top. Carriers do ie directtv, cable companies, etc they take 40 and showtime gets 10
Do you realy drop 50% of rev strait on tv. I obviously knew it would a decent amount but geeze didn’t expect 50%. Is that true even on big ppvs, like did the cable company make 200million on mayweather vs pac?
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 15:31
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Its the average cut they take to distribute ppv. They however foot tv advertising expenses...when you see tv ads those are put on by cable
I dont know if a major event like floyd v pac if they got that usual cut or not.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 16:03
by Ruthless-RKO
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 15:31
Its the average cut they take to distribute ppv. They however foot tv advertising expenses...when you see tv ads those are put on by cable
I dont know if a major event like floyd v pac if they got that usual cut or not.
I’m just there’s some sort of cap.. something on the contracts etc.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 16:08
by Jeff_lacy_ko
I just read they got 35 percent of that mega ppv
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 02 Oct 2020, 18:22
by Onetimeonly
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:51
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:43
how much was the total payouts, not just purses but how much all the fighters get in the end
I bet it was around $4-$5m total for purses for the whole card.. Including the main events. Undercarders probably all got less than $250k each..
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 11:43
and how much of the ppv money actually goes to paying the fighters, not the tv companies and other ppl who worked on the fight etc
After half the ppv revenue goes to Showtime, the rest is split based on what % of revenue was agreed prior to the fight.
Just for fvcks sake, Let's say the event done $8.4m in ppv revenue. They're left with $4.2m. Not all boxers get a cut in PPV's do they? I'm guessing only Jerm and Jarm got revenue cuts. The rest were probably on a base purse as if they're on a regular Showtime card.
It's not Showtime that gets half, it's the cable providers. Showtime gets a fee from the promoter.
The revenue is an upside at a certain buy rate that this surely didn't meet.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 03 Oct 2020, 00:50
by Enlightened-One
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 09:33
Lol, dishonest "rough" figures taking the max x with your dishonest math it wasn't a success.
“Dishonest” maths?
What on earth is that supposed to mean?
You can’t lie about numbers! It’s simple calculation, with one number multiplied by another.
Are you seriously claiming the PPV generated less revenue than the total combined guaranteed purse pot for both main events?
OK, if I’m being “dishonest”, then show your maths.
And if you refuse to do such a trivial thing, then shut up!
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 03 Oct 2020, 01:04
by margaret thatcher
Shots fired
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 03 Oct 2020, 01:05
by oogiebe
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 03 Oct 2020, 11:54
by Onetimeonly
Shots out of a limp dick.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 03 Oct 2020, 13:26
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 00:50
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 09:33
Lol, dishonest "rough" figures taking the max x with your dishonest math it wasn't a success.
“Dishonest” maths?
What on earth is that supposed to mean?
You can’t lie about numbers! It’s simple calculation, with one number multiplied by another.
Are you seriously claiming the PPV generated less revenue than the total combined guaranteed purse pot for both main events?
OK, if I’m being “dishonest”, then show your maths.
And if you refuse to do such a trivial thing, then shut up!
If you use 100k as the total and do the math, there wouldn't be enough left to pay all the undercard salaries. If you use 120k sales, its probably around breakeven
You used 120k. And from what i saw your main even salaries were low (but to be fair i didn't see an official number)
Hence him saying you are presenting it in the best light possible because of your pbc bias.
Re: Charlo Doubleheader PPV does over 100k buys. Close to 120k
Posted: 03 Oct 2020, 14:11
by Onetimeonly
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 13:26
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 00:50
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 09:33
Lol, dishonest "rough" figures taking the max x with your dishonest math it wasn't a success.
“Dishonest” maths?
What on earth is that supposed to mean?
You can’t lie about numbers! It’s simple calculation, with one number multiplied by another.
Are you seriously claiming the PPV generated less revenue than the total combined guaranteed purse pot for both main events?
OK, if I’m being “dishonest”, then show your maths.
And if you refuse to do such a trivial thing, then shut up!
If you use 100k as the total and do the math, there wouldn't be enough left to pay all the undercard salaries. If you use 120k sales, its probably around breakeven
You used 120k. And from what i saw your main even salaries were low (but to be fair i didn't see an official number)
Hence him saying you are presenting it in the best light possible because of your pbc bias.
Also, I know people love HD, but at least one buy, mine, was only $65 because I went sd.
