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Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 10 Oct 2020, 20:38
by goose 5
Probably the most one-sided trilogy in title fight history. Was Espada brave or deluded to take the third bout ? Or, just desperate for the money ?

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 10 Oct 2020, 21:28
by scartissue
Goose, I would disagree that they were one-sided. To begin with their first fight - let's face it, Cuevas did not deserve a title shot. He was 15-6 and had lost his last fight to Andy 'The Hawk' Price. I recall reading about this at the time. Espada and his manager Yamil Chade went to watch this fight (I think it was at the Olympic but I could be wrong) and Espada was telling Chade, "Him, I want him!" And Chade said, "Oh, you want to defend the title against Price?" And Espada told him, "No, I want to fight Cuevas." It was sort of comical, but Espada seemed to want an easy match. I'm sure he took Cuevas for granted and paid the price in 2 rounds. The rematch was tight and was dead even on the officials cards after 11 rounds, with Espada retiring with a broken jaw. I saw the fight, and although I had Cuevas further ahead than the officials, Espada's counters would have taken out most welters. He deserved the third fight after the tussle he put up. After a number of wins Espada wanted another crack at his old title and the Puerto Rican friendly WBA was only too happy to oblige. Again, it was said to be a tough one, but Cuevas prevailed in the 10th. So, one easy blowout but Cuevas had to work himself into the ground for fights 2 and 3. I remember Espada so well back in the day. Beautiful boxer with explosive counters. He seems to be lost in the ether these days but a damn good fighter.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 10 Oct 2020, 22:03
by dagosd2000
scartissue wrote: 10 Oct 2020, 21:28 Goose, I would disagree that they were one-sided. To begin with their first fight - let's face it, Cuevas did not deserve a title shot. He was 15-6 and had lost his last fight to Andy 'The Hawk' Price. I recall reading about this at the time. Espada and his manager Yamil Chade went to watch this fight (I think it was at the Olympic but I could be wrong) and Espada was telling Chade, "Him, I want him!" And Chade said, "Oh, you want to defend the title against Price?" And Espada told him, "No, I want to fight Cuevas." It was sort of comical, but Espada seemed to want an easy match. I'm sure he took Cuevas for granted and paid the price in 2 rounds. The rematch was tight and was dead even on the officials cards after 11 rounds, with Espada retiring with a broken jaw. I saw the fight, and although I had Cuevas further ahead than the officials, Espada's counters would have taken out most welters. He deserved the third fight after the tussle he put up. After a number of wins Espada wanted another crack at his old title and the Puerto Rican friendly WBA was only too happy to oblige. Again, it was said to be a tough one, but Cuevas prevailed in the 10th. So, one easy blowout but Cuevas had to work himself into the ground for fights 2 and 3. I remember Espada so well back in the day. Beautiful boxer with explosive counters. He seems to be lost in the ether these days but a damn good fighter.
Goose and Dan
They wanted Jose Napoles to defend his title in 1975 against Espada in Puerto Rico,but Jose wanted something "softer" so he opted to fight Armando Muniz in Acapulco. What can you say about that one? :lol:

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 09:32
by scartissue
dagosd2000 wrote: 10 Oct 2020, 22:03
scartissue wrote: 10 Oct 2020, 21:28 Goose, I would disagree that they were one-sided. To begin with their first fight - let's face it, Cuevas did not deserve a title shot. He was 15-6 and had lost his last fight to Andy 'The Hawk' Price. I recall reading about this at the time. Espada and his manager Yamil Chade went to watch this fight (I think it was at the Olympic but I could be wrong) and Espada was telling Chade, "Him, I want him!" And Chade said, "Oh, you want to defend the title against Price?" And Espada told him, "No, I want to fight Cuevas." It was sort of comical, but Espada seemed to want an easy match. I'm sure he took Cuevas for granted and paid the price in 2 rounds. The rematch was tight and was dead even on the officials cards after 11 rounds, with Espada retiring with a broken jaw. I saw the fight, and although I had Cuevas further ahead than the officials, Espada's counters would have taken out most welters. He deserved the third fight after the tussle he put up. After a number of wins Espada wanted another crack at his old title and the Puerto Rican friendly WBA was only too happy to oblige. Again, it was said to be a tough one, but Cuevas prevailed in the 10th. So, one easy blowout but Cuevas had to work himself into the ground for fights 2 and 3. I remember Espada so well back in the day. Beautiful boxer with explosive counters. He seems to be lost in the ether these days but a damn good fighter.
Goose and Dan
They wanted Jose Napoles to defend his title in 1975 against Espada in Puerto Rico,but Jose wanted something "softer" so he opted to fight Armando Muniz in Acapulco. What can you say about that one? :lol:
I know what you mean, man. Talk about the Brinks robbery!

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 13:48
by goose 5
Espada would have beat Napoles at that point. I think the judges were way off the mark in the second Cuevas-Espada bout. Espada won-in my opinion- 3 rounds.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 19:31
by goose 5
I did a little digging and found that Cuevas called his second fight with Espada the toughest of his career and revealed that he suffered 3 fractures of his jaw and 2 fractured ribs in that bout. Source: "The Hands of Stone."

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 11 Oct 2020, 19:46
by goose 5
Another research update : August 11, 1980 Sports Illustrated: Cuevas told Pat Putnam that he thought his jaw was broken in the second Espada bout, but that it was only badly bruised and that for the 3 weeks following the fight he ate his meals through a straw.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 04 Jan 2021, 13:36
by Nile4000
Give Pipino the credit for fighting him an additional 2 times.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 05 Jan 2021, 18:28
by giacomino
Given Cuevas' style and lack of speed I can see how Espada thought he would be an easy mark ... until he felt his power. I remember seeing either the second or third fight and it was competitive

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 08 Jan 2021, 12:13
by Ambling Alp II
Nile4000 wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 13:36 Give Pipino the credit for fighting him an additional 2 times.
On the other hand, it would have been nice for someone else to have got shot instead of beating the same guy three times. Of course better yet, taking on Palomino.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 08 Jan 2021, 19:34
by elmersalsa
Pipino Cuevas vs Angel Espada was another example of " It does not matter how many times I fight this guy, I can't beat him!"

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 09 Jan 2021, 12:22
by Nile4000
Ambling Alp II wrote: 08 Jan 2021, 12:13
Nile4000 wrote: 04 Jan 2021, 13:36 Give Pipino the credit for fighting him an additional 2 times.
On the other hand, it would have been nice for someone else to have got shot instead of beating the same guy three times. Of course better yet, taking on Palomino.
I can understand that.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 09 Jan 2021, 14:56
by goose 5
My point in starting this thread was to discuss Espada's mindset going into the third fight with Cuevas. He was destroyed in the first fight and the second bout ended brutally for him.

Re: Pipino Cuevas versus Angel Espada 1, 2 and 3

Posted: 10 Jan 2021, 14:49
by Ambling Alp II
Guessing that he saw it as a payday. He really wasn't a contender anymore.