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Recently dethroned lightweight champion Vasiliy Lomachenko underwent right shoulder surgery Monday, according to his manager, Egis Klimas.

Lomachenko previously had surgery on his right shoulder in May 2018. Klimas said this surgery was a result of both a pre-existing ailment and an injury suffered during the second round of Saturday night's decision loss to Teofimo Lopez.

Lomachenko was very cautious in the first half of the contest, when Lopez built a significant lead on the scorecards. His late-rounds rally fell short, and Lomachenko lost his WBC, WBO and WBA titles.

He was examined Monday by Dr. Neal ElAttrache (who also oversaw his operation in 2018) and was told he would need surgery that day.

Lomachenko should be able to resume training by mid-January, according to Klimas.

"When he arrived to the States to prepare for the fight, he said in the Ukraine he felt the sharp pain in his right shoulder," said Klimas, who noted that an MRI didnt reveal any significant injury to the shoulder. "We took him right away to Dr. ElAttrache to examine him."

At six weeks out from the fight, Lomachenko was given an injection and alerted both the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association and the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

"We lost one week of training. We lost one week of sparring because the doctor forbid him to do much for a week after the injection," Klimas said.

Klimas added that a few weeks later the pain flared up again during a sparring session. At that juncture, Lomachenko was given another injection and his father and trainer, Anatoly, "wanted out of the fight," said Klimas.

Vasiliy Lomachenko said he would not pull out of the fight and made it clear to his team that if he dropped out, he would retire.

While news of the injury came out quickly after Saturday's loss, Klimas insisted: "We didn't want to look like we were looking for excuses or something."

When Lomachenko heals up, Klimas says he wants a chance to get back the belts.

"If it's possible, we would like to have the rematch," Klimas said. "If they are so tough ... are they willing to come back and do that?"

Wishing a speedy recovery to SOT

Had the last six rounds and first six rounds be swapped I might buy that this impacted the fight. But it didn't.

Here we go, Is this the excuse ?

You don't need one Loma, it was great fight the 2nd one sells itself.

Tbf he wasnt saying anything i dont think

What's this then ?

read it bruh

I think it says more about Loma's future than anything else. A little over 2 years after the previous surgery the shoulder injury was flaring up again in sparring. All the mileage he put on that shoulder in 400 amateur fights is likely to leave Loma with a very abbreviated pro career of 20 bouts or less.

Agree, fragile body, even amateur fights will take a toll when you have like 400 of them

Sounds like Loma needs some time off. Let the body heal. Forcing himself back into a hurried rematch might cause him to retire.

Long term ped use?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 01:22 Long term ped use?

Or a shoulder injury due to fighting for 20 plus years.

Teofimo Lopez reacts after doctor reveals Vasyl Lomachenko had shoulder injury going into their fight and has now undergone surgery

Lopez was quick to respond upon hearing all of this.

He told ESPN: “I was coming into this fight injured as well, if you wanna talk about injuries, but I didn’t make no excuses about it.

“I think that by him doing that, as someone who was considered the number one, pound-for-pound, best boxer in the whole world, to use that excuse, it just looks more bad on him than anything else.”

Vasyl Lomachenko appeared to be suffering from a severe case of sour grapes immediately after his loss to Teófimo López because he seemed reluctant to award any kudos to his victor.

And now the Ukrainian’s team are claiming that ‘Hi-Tech’ was carrying an injury during last weekend’s bout.

I’m sorry, but as much as I’ve always admired Vasyl, I can’t endorse his post-fight reaction and also the excuses cited by his handlers, regardless as to whether the injury really existed or not.

Lomachenko decided to participate in a fight he ultimately deserved to lose. If he really was injured, then his own decision clearly didn’t pay off. The blame falls squarely on the Ukrainian's shoulders!

According to CompuBox, Vasyl landed more punches in round eight than he did for the first five rounds. And he also threw more shots in the 12th than he did for the first six rounds.

Even if you don’t trust CompuBox, these stats appear to reflect the narrative of the fight for the first seven rounds.

These stats don't support the existence of an injury. Instead, they suggest the implementation of a poor gameplan.

Lomachenko and his team should simply remain silent, accept the loss, learn from their mistakes and try to return stronger because doing otherwise will tarnish his reputation and legacy.

If he had surgery I'm not seeing how this is making an excuse. You don't have surgery if there isn't a problem. It no doubt had an impact on the fight. How much? Nobody really knows but it's almost certain he wasn't 100%.

Lomachenko frequently comes out of his fight with injuries. I don't see it as an excuse, especially considering the fact of surgery. His body is just fragile.

mcrow42 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 09:40If he had surgery I'm not seeing how this is making an excuse.

"We lost one week of training. We lost one week of sparring because the doctor forbid him to do much for a week after the injection," Egis Klimas told ESPN.

Klimas added that a few weeks later, the pain flared up during a sparring session. At that juncture, Lomachenko was given another injection, and his father and trainer, Anatoly, "wanted out of the fight," Klimas said.

Vasiliy Lomachenko said he would not withdraw from the fight, and he made it clear to his team that if he dropped out, he would retire.

Although news of the injury came quickly after the loss Saturday, Klimas said: "We didn't want to look like we were looking for excuses or something."

I personally consider Egis Klimas' comments as excuses, regardless as to whether they're factually-correct or not.

A bit like whenever someone prefixes a criticism with the phrase “no disrespect”. For instance: “we don’t want to make excuses for Lomachenko’s performance by claiming it was due to him being injured, but blah, blah, blah….”

Here's the deal.

I get it. Announcing you are having surgery is making an excuse. Even though you didn't say it had anything to do with losing the fight. Right......

He has to announce he's having surgery. When you are a world-famous boxer and nobody sees you in the gym for three months people are going to ask. Is it an excuse if he waits to tell people when they ask two months from now?

People need to get real. Just making an announcement about having surgery isn't making an excuse. Still going forward with the fight even after needing an injection and having setbacks isn't consistent with making excuses. Would have been an easy way out just to cancel due to injury if he was an excuse maker.

Now if he would have said he would have won if it weren't for the injury or something like that, then maybe it's an excuse.

How the hell is an excuse just to say you had surgery?

mcrow42 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 10:30 Here's the deal.

I get it. Announcing you are having surgery is making an excuse. Even though you didn't say it had anything to do with losing the fight. Right......

He has to announce he's having surgery. When you are a world-famous boxer and nobody sees you in the gym for three months people are going to ask. Is it an excuse if he waits to tell people when they ask two months from now?

People need to get real. Just making an announcement about having surgery isn't making an excuse. Still going forward with the fight even after needing an injection and having setbacks isn't consistent with making excuses. Would have been an easy way out just to cancel due to injury if he was an excuse maker.

Now if he would have said he would have won if it weren't for the injury or something like that, then maybe it's an excuse.

How the hell is an excuse just to say you had surgery?

For sure, Egis Klimas didn't explicitly blame the shoulder injury for Lomachenko’s defeat last weekend.

But he did claim it seriously hindered his training camp, to the point even Lomachenko’s own father wanted him to withdraw from the bout, but Vasyl decided to fight on regardless.

Lomachenko’s manager didn’t simply claim Vasyl had surgery and left it at that, did he? But somehow that’s precisely how you’ve interpreted Klimas’ comments?

To paraphrase Klimas’ comments: "We didn't want to look like we were looking for excuses or something, but... Lomachenko lost a week of training and sparring... he was feeling a sharp pain in his right shoulder... and we wanted him out of the fight..."

That's an excuse and it's irrelevant as to whether his claims are accurate or not.

I don’t know what else to say, really.

So in other words, no matter what he did or said you would say it's an excuse. I get it.

If they just kept it top secret somehow that he had surgery then that's not an excuse?

You realize how stupid that is?

mcrow42 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 10:55 So in other words, no matter what he did or said you would say it's an excuse. I get it.

If they just kept it top secret somehow that he had surgery then that's not an excuse?

You realize how stupid that is?

In the context of Lomachenko's post-fight reaction, where he appeared to be suffering from sour grapes, coupled with the speed and timing of the injury announcement, then yes.... they should have maintained their silence.... at least for the time being.

Egis Klimas is essentially blaming the injury for Vasyl Lomachenko's loss.

And "no disrespect", but Klimas' comments about Lomachenko's injury perfectly fits the dictionary definition of the word "excuse".

See what I did just then? I did precisely the same thing Klimas did.

Sour grapes seemed to be because he thought it was a close fight. He is right, it was a much closer fight than some of those scorecards showed. He didn't say anything about being injured post-fight just that you thought he won. Realistically, he probably won 5 rounds and there were probably 1-2 rounds that could have gone either way. So it was reasonable to be perplexed by the scoring, particularly the 119-111 card.

You're just one of those guys that wants to read into things what you want to. No matter what he did or said you would be saying he's making excuses.

I believe if he comes back healthy he probably beats Lopez in a rematch, but we will see.

mcrow42 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 12:05Sour grapes seemed to be because he thought it was a close fight. He is right, it was a much closer fight than some of those scorecards showed. He didn't say anything about being injured post-fight just that you thought he won.

He also seemed reluctant to praise the victor, whilst criticising the judges that scored the bout. He was suffering from a case of sour grapes, regardless as to whether his emotions were understandable or not.

mcrow42 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 12:05You're just one of those guys that wants to read into things what you want to. No matter what he did or said you would be saying he's making excuses.

I said Egis Klimas was making excuses.

To paraphrase Klimas’ comments to ESPN: "We didn't want to look like we were looking for excuses or something, but... Lomachenko lost a week of training and sparring... he was feeling a sharp pain in his right shoulder... and we wanted him out of the fight..."

It's irrelevant as to whether Egis' claims are true or not - what he conveyed to ESPN is the dictionary definition of the word "excuse".

If you don't believe me, then please research the meaning of the word "excuse". It's not a word I personally created. It has a universal definition that is definitely not open to interpretation.

mcrow42 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 12:05 Sour grapes seemed to be because he thought it was a close fight. He is right, it was a much closer fight than some of those scorecards showed. He didn't say anything about being injured post-fight just that you thought he won. Realistically, he probably won 5 rounds and there were probably 1-2 rounds that could have gone either way. So it was reasonable to be perplexed by the scoring, particularly the 119-111 card.

You're just one of those guys that wants to read into things what you want to. No matter what he did or said you would be saying he's making excuses.

I believe if he comes back healthy he probably beats Lopez in a rematch, but we will see.

Good luck trying to have the last word with EO, he's never been wrong about anything in the entire history of this forum!

As to his claim that the Compubox figures prove he wasn't injured, wasn't Loma injured early in the fight against Linares only to go on and get the stoppage? Was that a fake injury too?

El Intocable 1971 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2020, 12:29 Good luck trying to have the last word with EO, he's never been wrong about anything in the entire history of this forum!

I didn’t think the dictionary definition of the word “excuse” was even up for debate?

Has leftist identity politics progressed to the point that the contents of English language dictionaries are now deemed as being hate speech?

Do people that frequent this forum need a “safe space” to shield themselves from deeply sensitive and upsetting subject matter, such as the true meaning of commonly used English language words?