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Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 10:59
by apollo creed
2002 PBF vs 2018 Loma @ 135 lbs. PBF also was bigger in reach that Lopez (72″ vs 68½″ ) and both have 5′ 8″ in height. I also thought that Loma would gave 'hell' to a young PBF but man as the time goes and some fights happen, it shows how great and smart was Floyd.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 13:36
by victor-romeo
Loma was a very good lightweight, and great 130 and 126 pound fighter. Floyd was great at winning fights but for the most part pretty boring to watch and Sugar Ray Leonard Trumps both these men in my estimation.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 14:35
by apollo creed
victor-romeo wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 13:36
Loma was a very good lightweight, and great 130 and 126 pound fighter. Floyd was great at winning fights but for the most part pretty boring to watch and Sugar Ray Leonard Trumps both these men in my estimation.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 14:48
by Onetimeonly
I knew Floyd would clown him before he lost to Lopez.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:23
by Counter-puncher
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 14:48
I knew Floyd would clown him before he lost to Lopez.
me too
I do like the fact that Loma’s fan-adulation has been deflated. I remember people saying that literally nobody in the history of boxing was doing the stuff Loma was, when it was only ever (very high-level perfectly executed) the same boxing techniques various dudes have done for decades. Motor to the outside angle as a southpaw, wooh what a technical innovator, ffs. And Lopez did the one single thing you need to do against that tactic, pivot counter-clockwise and throw the right hand into the space Loma is entering, he had that uppercut waiting for Loma about 15 times, simple fkin basic footwork any coach should teach for when a southpaw gets that angle. Adjust your fkin feet rather than standing with them on the same plane once he’s got that angle, they just stood there like stunned fkin cows waiting for Loma to pepper them. The first dude he fought where someone had taught him that basic fkin tactic and Loma has 50% of his game neutralised
TLDR It was never that Loma did sh1t we’ve never seen in boxing, just that his opponents were too dumb or badly coached to make one simple adjustment with their feet.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:25
by Onetimeonly
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 15:23
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 14:48
I knew Floyd would clown him before he lost to Lopez.
me too
I do like the fact that Loma’s fan-adulation has been deflated. I remember people saying that literally nobody in the history of boxing was doing the stuff Loma was, when it was only ever (very high-level perfectly executed) the same boxing techniques various dudes have done for decades. Motor to the outside angle as a southpaw, wooh what a technical innovator, ffs. And Lopez did the one single thing you need to do against that tactic, pivot counter-clockwise and throw the right hand into the space Loma is entering, he had that uppercut waiting for Loma about 15 times, simple fkin basic footwork any coach should teach for when a southpaw gets that angle. Adjust your fkin feet rather than standing with them on the same plane once he’s got that angle, they just stood there like stunned fkin cows waiting for Loma to pepper him. The first dude he fought where someone had taught him that basic fkin tactic and Loma has 50% of his game neutralised
TLDR It was never that Loma did sh1t we’ve never seen in boxing, just that his opponents were too dumb or badly coached to make one simple adjustment with their feet.
Time for khabib to get humbled.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:29
by Counter-puncher
Khabib kicked Connor’s ass and jumped the fence (for better or worse still one of my favourite ever sporting moments outside the field of play, ffs he beats Larry’s standing broad jump over the car at Berbick and that’s saying something), I haven’t got a bad word to say about him, I don’t follow UFC closely enough to be pissed off by the things you don’t like about him
(I’m so much of a Connor hater I’d probably ignore them anyway
he gets a pass for kicking that ass)
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:33
by Onetimeonly
Well, it looks like he cheated to make weight. Gaethjie is my favorite ever, got an insane new strain. Nice afternoon.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:39
by Counter-puncher
Gaethje seems like a decent likeable dude, and he gives a fkin good fight with action every time out, nothing to dislike there
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:41
by Counter-puncher
Speaking of new strains I got some AK47 recently.
20 years ago I used to think that sh1t was from the moon. Now I’m like meh I can get stronger (Solid) hash than that. THAT is how fkin strong all these new strains are. AK used to fkin flay me, now it’s a nice relaxing smoke early evening before I get stuck into the real sh1t
I seriously thank fck I wasn’t exposed to this sh1t when I was In my teens. You shouldn’t be ‘learning to get high’ with this modern sh1t
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 15:59
by Onetimeonly
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 15:41
Speaking of new strains I got some AK47 recently.
20 years ago I used to think that sh1t was from the moon. Now I’m like meh I can get stronger (Solid) hash than that. THAT is how fkin strong all these new strains are. AK used to fkin flay me, now it’s a nice relaxing smoke early evening before I get stuck into the real sh1t
I seriously thank fck I wasn’t exposed to this sh1t when I was In my teens. You shouldn’t be ‘learning to get high’ with this modern sh1t
Lol, I literally take 1 hit. Strain really doesn't matter to me, but phantom cookie is what I'm on now and it's cheaper than the seed weed of my youth. I won't need any for months.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 16:03
by Counter-puncher
Yeah I’ve gathered before our need-schedules are very different on various substances
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 16:14
by Onetimeonly
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 16:03
Yeah I’ve gathered before our need-schedules are very different on various substances
I'm not drinking today, so I'll have 1 hit ten times. The last two days was a blow fest. Didn't even smoke til the end. Haha
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 16:21
by Counter-puncher
Yeah, that’s rather different.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 16:42
by H8Usernames
What about Lopez vs PBF at 135. Lopez a guy with lethal punches and razor sharp jabs.... yeah PBF who lost to that regular mexican fighter would surely have beaten him.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 17:23
by Onetimeonly
Regular?
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 17:36
by Counter-puncher
I knew you’d spit your (water?!) at that one
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 20:25
by H8Usernames
You are saying that Jose Louis Castillo was something special when he fought Mayweather for the first time despite having 4 Ko losses on his record at that time? Or did Castillo prove himself the Goat after their fights?
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 20:36
by Onetimeonly
H8Usernames wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 20:25
You are saying that Jose Louis Castillo was something special when he fought Mayweather for the first time despite having 4 Ko losses on his record at that time? Or did Castillo prove himself the Goat after their fights?
Yes, he was great when he fought Floyd.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 24 Oct 2020, 23:05
by H8Usernames
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 20:36
H8Usernames wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 20:25
You are saying that Jose Louis Castillo was something special when he fought Mayweather for the first time despite having 4 Ko losses on his record at that time? Or did Castillo prove himself the Goat after their fights?
Yes, he was great when he fought Floyd.
Great for 1 fight. Not before, not after. Ok. Yeah FMJR would have killed Lopez.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 25 Oct 2020, 03:04
by Evander
apollo creed wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 10:59
2002 PBF vs 2018 Loma @ 135 lbs. PBF also was bigger in reach that Lopez (72″ vs 68½″ ) and both have 5′ 8″ in height. I also thought that Loma would gave 'hell' to a young PBF but man as the time goes and some fights happen, it shows how great and smart was Floyd.
Floyd was growing out of 135 from a young age.
Lomachenko had to grow into it a later age.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 25 Oct 2020, 08:07
by apollo creed
Evander wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 03:04
apollo creed wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 10:59
2002 PBF vs 2018 Loma @ 135 lbs. PBF also was bigger in reach that Lopez (72″ vs 68½″ ) and both have 5′ 8″ in height. I also thought that Loma would gave 'hell' to a young PBF but man as the time goes and some fights happen, it shows how great and smart was Floyd.
Floyd was growing out of 135 from a young age.
Lomachenko had to grow into it a later age.
Good points. Loma was not a spring chicken at 135 lbs and with 400 amateur fights.
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 25 Oct 2020, 08:30
by detamour
victor-romeo wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 13:36
Loma was a very good lightweight, and great 130 and 126 pound fighter. Floyd was great at winning fights but for the most part pretty boring to watch and Sugar Ray Leonard Trumps both these men in my estimation.
So enlighten me, Floyd must stand still so Opponents can hit him for your benefit?
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 25 Oct 2020, 10:34
by Enlightened-One
Evander wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 03:04Floyd was growing out of 135 from a young age.
Lomachenko had to grow into it a later age.
Total complete utter nonsense! It's a preposterously garbage claim to make!
Lomachenko has pretty much maintained the same ring weight for the last decade or so.
• The Ukrainian usually enters the ring weighing around the 140lbs mark (give or take a few pounds), regardless the “official” weight class he competes in.
• Lomachenko also campaigned at 132lbs in the amateurs, which was about a decade ago.
• He also competed in half a dozen or so bouts at 135lbs during his 2013 stint in the World Series of Boxing.
• And forgive me if I'm wrong, but the official weight for the Teofimo Lopez bout a week ago was 135lbs.
How much time does somebody really need to grow into the 135lbs weight division? Is a decade not long enough for you?
Re: Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?
Posted: 25 Oct 2020, 13:14
by IKSRTFO
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 20:36
H8Usernames wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 20:25
You are saying that Jose Louis Castillo was something special when he fought Mayweather for the first time despite having 4 Ko losses on his record at that time? Or did Castillo prove himself the Goat after their fights?
Yes, he was great when he fought Floyd.
Castillo was good, but never special. If he was, you would hear people questioning why he wasn't named as part of the HOF yet.