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This fight was previously rejected when Mung was a little regarded junior middle ( to certain posters, ya ya we know all about the vanes fight, and ggg took a weak option, but that's not the subject)

But now I would f@cking love this. would be fun as f@ck. I don't even care if you bruhs tell me it's not gonna happen, even just imagining it is good

Golovkin will whoop him. That's why Munguia will remain protected.

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 04:08 Golovkin will whoop him. That's why Munguia will remain protected.

Idk about that man. I'd favor GGG in the fight but I think it would be competitive. But I do agree on Mungia remaining protected at least until Oscar knows GGG is past it to the point he knows Mungia can beat him, if Golovkin doesn't retire by then.

Mung gets hit waaaayy too easily.

I love Munguia, but this is a tough one. Munguia still suffers big time pressure. He would give out his heart and soul on the ring, but old GGG is still too much for him. I would love to see this fight happen in a couple of years. A fighter like Munguia has to be protected: he's a treasure.

Munguia is a pure Mexican fighter with a clean style, it would blend perfectly with GGG.

They could meet when GGG is a little washed up but not completely to waste, and Munguia has done a couple more matches, much like it happened for Joshua and Klitschko. The young tiger vs the old lion. If the match is well prepared, I see Munguia winning on points.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 06:45 Mung gets hit waaaayy too easily.

GGG also can be hit quite clean... he's got a good chin but Munguia can cut through in the later rounds.

I've always been a little skeptical about GGG and Lomachenko: considered them more dangerous than great, the ones that can drag a lot of hype.
While I consider Canelo as a pure worldwide phenom: more than the hype, he gets the true mystic aura that also got Chavez and Marquez. Lots of people mistake that aura for hype and underrate him. Even hate him.

I hope I didn't get off topic or write too much with this, and apologise if so.

Munguia does get hit too easily.
GGG is not hard to hit either.....there was never a time when GGG was not easy to hit..........the problem is hitting GGG without getting hit.

Everybody lands good leather on Munguia but not everybody hits like GGG....

Jacopodb wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 09:57 I've always been a little skeptical about GGG and Lomachenko: considered them more dangerous than great, the ones that can drag a lot of hype.
While I consider Canelo as a pure worldwide phenom: more than the hype, he gets the true mystic aura that also got Chavez and Marquez. Lots of people mistake that aura for hype and underrate him. Even hate him.

I hope I didn't get off topic or write too much with this, and apologise if so.

GGG still hasn't actually lost though. He was just robbed twice.

That being said, at the age he's at now, that 1st legitimate undisputable loss is probably right around the corner.

They both got hit often. The thing is, GGG has a granite chin, which was tested by Canelo, while Mung's jaw hasn't been tested yet. Maybe I haven't seen something for the moment, but if they fight right now, I'd pick Golovkin to whoop Mung.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 10:50

Jacopodb wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 09:57 I've always been a little skeptical about GGG and Lomachenko: considered them more dangerous than great, the ones that can drag a lot of hype.
While I consider Canelo as a pure worldwide phenom: more than the hype, he gets the true mystic aura that also got Chavez and Marquez. Lots of people mistake that aura for hype and underrate him. Even hate him.

I hope I didn't get off topic or write too much with this, and apologise if so.

GGG still hasn't actually lost though. He was just robbed twice.

That being said, at the age he's at now, that 1st legitimate undisputable loss is probably right around the corner.

No he wasn't.

No objective observer would call the decision in the second fight a robbery.
Close?
Obviously.
Only someone who can't accept results they don't like would call that decision a robbery.

Perseus wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:04

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 10:50

Jacopodb wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 09:57 I've always been a little skeptical about GGG and Lomachenko: considered them more dangerous than great, the ones that can drag a lot of hype.
While I consider Canelo as a pure worldwide phenom: more than the hype, he gets the true mystic aura that also got Chavez and Marquez. Lots of people mistake that aura for hype and underrate him. Even hate him.

I hope I didn't get off topic or write too much with this, and apologise if so.

GGG still hasn't actually lost though. He was just robbed twice.

That being said, at the age he's at now, that 1st legitimate undisputable loss is probably right around the corner.

No he wasn't.

No objective observer would call the decision in the second fight a robbery.
Close?
Obviously.
Only someone who can't accept results they don't like would call that decision a robbery.

Yeah robbery wasn't the right choice of words. He was robbed in the 1st bout. 2nd fight was indeed close, IMO Golovkin won it. So in my mind he's undefeated.

I had the 2nd fight 115-113 Golovkin.

1st fight was Golovkin's by a mile.

Rewatched the dilogy not long ago. The 1st was GGG, the second was very close, I had it even.

The reality is GGG is not undefeated.

I had the second fight a draw as well, a decision to either fighter would have been fine for me. I never have or will expect official scorecards to be a mirror image of mine.

The thing is Canelo fought an old version of G and he could not beat him but it is what it is. That's how good Golovkin was. A 28-29 y/o G was a beast.

apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:14 The thing is Canelo fought an old version of G and he could not beat him but it is what it is. That's how good Golovkin was. A 28-29 y/o G was a beast.

It's tough to determine the true time of Golovkin's prime ending, as the really good opposition became available only when Golovkin was 35.

Munguia/Andrade would make 1000% more sense. GGG smashes Munguia. Munguia's defense is just too porous.

jujigatame wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:59 Munguia/Andrade would make 1000% more sense. GGG smashes Munguia. Munguia's defense is just too porous.

The fight would not sell and make financially sense.

Perseus wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:14 The reality is GGG is not undefeated.

I had the second fight a draw as well, a decision to either fighter would have been fine for me. I never have or will expect official scorecards to be a mirror image of mine.

Officially he is not undefeated.

The reality is that he is.

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:45

apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:14 The thing is Canelo fought an old version of G and he could not beat him but it is what it is. That's how good Golovkin was. A 28-29 y/o G was a beast.

It's tough to determine the true time of Golovkin's prime ending, as the really good opposition became available only when Golovkin was 35.

That's one way of looking at it, if a little disrespectful to all his pre 2017 opposition.

The other might be that the rest waited for their hands to stop shaking enough to sign.
Not to mention judges to be paid off, PED cases to be bypassed, and GGG to show clear signs of unavoidable slowing due to age.

Marinating was the 'official' term, wasn't it?

That only became possible after his war with Kell Brook.

Let's face it, even now they're hardly queuing up to fight the 38 year old Golovkin are they?

Give it another 3/4 years and they'll start calling him out for avoiding them.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 15:30

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:45

apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:14 The thing is Canelo fought an old version of G and he could not beat him but it is what it is. That's how good Golovkin was. A 28-29 y/o G was a beast.

It's tough to determine the true time of Golovkin's prime ending, as the really good opposition became available only when Golovkin was 35.

That's one way of looking at it, if a little disrespectful to all his pre 2017 opposition.

The other might be that the rest waited for their hands to stop shaking enough to sign.
Not to mention judges to be paid off, PED cases to be bypassed, and GGG to show clear signs of unavoidable slowing due to age.

Marinating was the 'official' term, wasn't it?

That only became possible after his war with Kell Brook.

Let's face it, even now they're hardly queuing up to fight the 38 year old Golovkin are they?

Give it another 3/4 years and they'll start calling him out for avoiding them.

Golovkin just was the best fighter of a comparably weak era. But, of course, eventually he was a victim of corruption as well.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 13:41

Perseus wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:14 The reality is GGG is not undefeated.

I had the second fight a draw as well, a decision to either fighter would have been fine for me. I never have or will expect official scorecards to be a mirror image of mine.

Officially he is not undefeated.

The reality is that he is.

No it is not.

No matter how much you don't like it he has been legitimately defeated.
A close decision that didn't go your way is a legit loss.
Happens all the time.
GGG has had a couple go his way.
Were those not legit wins?

apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 13:39

jujigatame wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:59 Munguia/Andrade would make 1000% more sense. GGG smashes Munguia. Munguia's defense is just too porous.

The fight would not sell and make financially sense.

I mean in sporting terms. GGG should be fighting Canelo again before he gets too old. He already may be.

GGG/Andrade would make more sense than GGG/Munguia if you actually want to see a competitive matchup.

f@ck boring boo boo

Perseus wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 16:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 13:41

Perseus wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 11:14 The reality is GGG is not undefeated.

I had the second fight a draw as well, a decision to either fighter would have been fine for me. I never have or will expect official scorecards to be a mirror image of mine.

Officially he is not undefeated.

The reality is that he is.

No it is not.

No matter how much you don't like it he has been legitimately defeated.
A close decision that didn't go your way is a legit loss.
Happens all the time.
GGG has had a couple go his way.
Were those not legit wins?

I trust my own eyes more than judges who get paid off, and favor Cash Cows. I watched the Golovkin vs Canelo rematch.