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Who wins this fight?

The poll should have been about in what round Hrgovic KOs Booker.

Hmm, not sure, having trouble splitting them

Good fight that makes a lot of sense happening right now

Booker has a very good defence, and know Filip from camp. Not be easy to KO him.

Filip Hrgović is facing a man that is on the cusp of turning forty years of age that's only won four bouts within the last 16½ years (against opponents having a combined total of 58 wins from the 142 fights they competed in).

Rydell Booker was essentially a cruiserweight before his 13½ year hiatus from the sport and physically appeared to be carrying around 50lbs worth of flab in all the recent photos I've seen of him. And that's no exaggeration, because he officially weighs about 50lbs more than his heydey.

Booker’s most recent victory, about 15 months ago, came against an opponent that hasn’t won a single fight within the last 8½ years (i.e. seven consecutive losses).

I’ve watched the Pulev-Booker bout and all I can say is that the American went into survival mode in that fight, adopting rope-a-dope tactics and occasionally grappling, but without returning fire.

Basically, the Hrgović-Booker fight is a blatant mismatch, even if the Croatian is unable to score an early stoppage victory - it won't be remotely competitive.

The Hrgović-Booker fight met expectations, because it ended up being a blatant mismatch.

The morbidly obese American circled the ropes and was in survival mode all night. He was simply a heavy bag for Hrgović to pot shot his blows.

There are too many mismatches in our sport at the moment. Some of the matchmaking we’re seeing is terrible.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 09:32 The Hrgović-Booker fight met expectations, because it ended up being a blatant mismatch.

The morbidly obese American circled the ropes and was in survival mode all night. He was simply a heavy bag for Hrgović to pot shot his blows.

There are too many mismatches in our sport at the moment. Some of the matchmaking we’re seeing is terrible.

The investors are understandably a little shaky right now with what's happening in the world.

Naturally enough they've gone into extreme risk aversion mode.

Caveat emptor as they say. Especially in boxing with its strict no refunds rules.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 09:42The investors are understandably a little shaky right now with what's happening in the world.

Naturally enough they've gone into extreme risk aversion mode.

Yeah, I kind of agree with your assessment of the root cause of so many gross mismatches being staged at the moment.

This situation can only continue for a very short time, though, because people will inevitably stop tuning in.

The market can only tolerate inferior quality products for so long until they fail entirely, to the point consumers lose interest.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 09:42Caveat emptor as they say. Especially in boxing with its strict no refunds rules.

I agree.

I feel that the phrase “caveat emptor” only applies to potential "buyers", but no one in their right mind would consider investing their time in boxing soon, if mismatches like Hrgović-Booker and Ortiz-Flores continue to remain the norm.

The entire Haney-Gamboa event was stacked with mismatches, so I'm not just being critical of Hrgović!

At least Hrgovic called out all top 10 fighters and rising stars, he wasn't begging for a title shot like some chinese gang bang, who decided to step up a bit just when he's closing to his 40s.

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:16At least Hrgovic called out all top 10 fighters and rising stars...

This isn’t me specifically criticising Hrgovic, since my opinion applies to most fighters, but let’s face it, talk is cheap.

We should only applaud fighters that actually face all-comers - not just talk about it.

For instance, Luis Ortiz regularly calls out EVERYBODY in the division, but no one from his team ever seems to bother to initiate contract negotiations by submitting offers to big-name opposition... and the Cuban himself has even rejected opportunities to face his rivals.

So any noise that Hrgovic makes is utterly meaningless until his words literally mean something, resulting in fights being made.

Rydell Booker was an astonishingly poor choice of opponent for Hrgovic. And no one can seriously claim otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:33

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:16At least Hrgovic called out all top 10 fighters and rising stars...

This isn’t me specifically criticising Hrgovic, since my opinion applies to most fighters, but let’s face it, talk is cheap.

We should only applaud fighters that actually face all-comers - not just talk about it.

For instance, Luis Ortiz regularly calls out EVERYBODY in the division, but no one from his team initiates contract negotiations by submitting offers to big-name opposition... and the Cuban himself has even rejected opportunities to face his rivals.

So any noise that Hrgovic makes is utterly meaningless until his words literally mean something, resulting in fights being made.

Rydell Booker was an astonishingly poor choice of opponent for Hrgovic. And no one can seriously claim otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words.

Hrgovic also said, that his team's offers to bigger names had been declined. We need a research on this, enlighten us!

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:50

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:33

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:16At least Hrgovic called out all top 10 fighters and rising stars...

This isn’t me specifically criticising Hrgovic, since my opinion applies to most fighters, but let’s face it, talk is cheap.

We should only applaud fighters that actually face all-comers - not just talk about it.

For instance, Luis Ortiz regularly calls out EVERYBODY in the division, but no one from his team initiates contract negotiations by submitting offers to big-name opposition... and the Cuban himself has even rejected opportunities to face his rivals.

So any noise that Hrgovic makes is utterly meaningless until his words literally mean something, resulting in fights being made.

Rydell Booker was an astonishingly poor choice of opponent for Hrgovic. And no one can seriously claim otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words.

Hrgovic also said, that his team's offers to bigger names had been declined. We need a research on this, enlighten us!

I’m not aware of any rejected offers. And it would be great if you could list them.

And are you seriously suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division?

Do you honestly believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker?

Is Booker the bravest fighter in the division, since you feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:58

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:50

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:33
This isn’t me specifically criticising Hrgovic, since my opinion applies to most fighters, but let’s face it, talk is cheap.

We should only applaud fighters that actually face all-comers - not just talk about it.

For instance, Luis Ortiz regularly calls out EVERYBODY in the division, but no one from his team initiates contract negotiations by submitting offers to big-name opposition... and the Cuban himself has even rejected opportunities to face his rivals.

So any noise that Hrgovic makes is utterly meaningless until his words literally mean something, resulting in fights being made.

Rydell Booker was an astonishingly poor choice of opponent for Hrgovic. And no one can seriously claim otherwise.

Actions speak louder than words.

Hrgovic also said, that his team's offers to bigger names had been declined. We need a research on this, enlighten us!

I’m not aware of any rejected offers. And it would be great if you could list them.

And are you seriously suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division?

Do you honestly believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker?

Is Booker the bravest fighter in the division, since you feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him?

Of course, I'm not suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division, don't believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker and don't feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him.

How was you deluded enough to find such ideas in my words?

Have you taken your pills today?

What other questions you got?

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 14:08

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:58

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:50

Hrgovic also said, that his team's offers to bigger names had been declined. We need a research on this, enlighten us!

I’m not aware of any rejected offers. And it would be great if you could list them.

And are you seriously suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division?

Do you honestly believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker?

Is Booker the bravest fighter in the division, since you feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him?

Of course, I'm not suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division, don't believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker and don't feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him.

How was you deluded enough to find such ideas in my words?

Have you taken your pills today?

What other questions you got?

Sorry, it’s just that you’re claiming Hrgovic tried to face better opposition than Booker, but there’s no evidence to suggest this being the case.

Wasn’t the Booker fight agreed upon during late August, almost a month prior to the Kartozia bout?

So the American wasn’t a last-minute replacement.

Like I said before, talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 15:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 14:08

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:58
I’m not aware of any rejected offers. And it would be great if you could list them.

And are you seriously suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division?

Do you honestly believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker?

Is Booker the bravest fighter in the division, since you feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him?

Of course, I'm not suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division, don't believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker and don't feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him.

How was you deluded enough to find such ideas in my words?

Have you taken your pills today?

What other questions you got?

Sorry, it’s just that you’re claiming Hrgovic tried to face better opposition than Booker, but there’s no evidence to suggest this being the case.

Wasn’t the Booker fight agreed upon during late August? He wasn’t a last-minute replacement.

So, based on this reply of yours, you've forgotten about the pills today. Well, it was clear from the beginning.

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 16:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 15:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 14:08

Of course, I'm not suggesting Hrgovic has become the new boogeyman of the division, don't believe his team couldn’t find a better opponent than Booker and don't feel that Hrgovic’s rivals are far too terrified to share the ring with him.

How was you deluded enough to find such ideas in my words?

Have you taken your pills today?

What other questions you got?

Sorry, it’s just that you’re claiming Hrgovic tried to face better opposition than Booker, but there’s no evidence to suggest this being the case.

Wasn’t the Booker fight agreed upon during late August? He wasn’t a last-minute replacement.

So, based on this reply of yours, you've forgotten about the pills today. Well, it was clear from the beginning.

You said that Hrgovic claimed his team had made offers to bigger names, which had been declined.

You also awarded kudos to Hrgovic for calling out his big-name rivals.

I’m simply addressing your precise words, thoughts you’ve previously conveyed that you now seem to be distancing from.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 16:05

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 16:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 15:39
Sorry, it’s just that you’re claiming Hrgovic tried to face better opposition than Booker, but there’s no evidence to suggest this being the case.

Wasn’t the Booker fight agreed upon during late August? He wasn’t a last-minute replacement.

So, based on this reply of yours, you've forgotten about the pills today. Well, it was clear from the beginning.

You said that Hrgovic claimed his team had made offers to bigger names, which had been declined.

You also awarded kudos to Hrgovic for calling out his big-name rivals.

I’m simply addressing your precise words, thoughts you’ve previously conveyed that you now seem to be distancing from.

Your interpretations of these words don't fit their actual ideas.

So, either you're a lair or take the pills already.

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 16:46 Your interpretations of these words don't fit their actual ideas.

So, either you're a lair or take the pills already.

So you didn’t submit the following posts to this thread?

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:16 At least Hrgovic called out all top 10 fighters and rising stars...

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:50Hrgovic also said, that his team's offers to bigger names had been declined.

And you now seem to be distancing yourself from claims that you now realise are total lies?

Isn’t it interesting that I’m able to quote your words to detail your false claims, but you can’t do the same about anything I’ve written?

That’s the thing about defending a fighter you support without bothering to verify reality, it results in you being compelled to avoid addressing inconvenient real-world truths that don’t adhere to your preferred perception of real life events.

Simply put, facts that you can’t undermine will always make a mockery of anything you’ve written that is blatantly untrue.

looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

I'd like to see Hrgovic and Zhang as well, but I think Hrgovic takes that fairly one sided.

He's also clearly top 20, as the HW division is terrible.

Hrgovic looked great against mansour and has gone backwards since

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 18:32

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 16:46 Your interpretations of these words don't fit their actual ideas.

So, either you're a lair or take the pills already.

So you didn’t submit the following posts to this thread?

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:16 At least Hrgovic called out all top 10 fighters and rising stars...

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 13:50Hrgovic also said, that his team's offers to bigger names had been declined.

And you now seem to be distancing yourself from claims that you now realise are total lies?

Isn’t it interesting that I’m able to quote your words to detail your false claims, but you can’t do the same about anything I’ve written?

That’s the thing about defending a fighter you support without bothering to verify reality, it results in you being compelled to avoid addressing inconvenient real-world truths that don’t adhere to your preferred perception of real life events.

Simply put, facts that you can’t undermine will always make a mockery of anything you’ve written that is blatantly untrue.

Where those words of mine suggest the things you found in them? You haven't presented any correlation between them and your conclusions. Those are only some delusions of yours, cause those words did't necessarily suggest, that Hrgovic was a new boogeyman and etc. There was just a quote of Hrgovic, which wasn't called neither truth nor false by me, there was only an appreciation of his calling outs by me, which also wasn't supposed to mean what you've tried to derive from it.

As you've interpreted these words as you wanted them to look like, that's only your problem, not anybody's else. That's means that you are either a lair and do this intentionally or you are delusional and thus you just can't avoid the problem of spreading nonsense, which isn't related to the real world.

Thus, once we've come to a conclusion, that EO exists in his wet dreams. Since this conclusion is so frequent, we must categorize it as a fact.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 20:24

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

I'd like to see Hrgovic and Zhang as well, but I think Hrgovic takes that fairly one sided.

He's also clearly top 20, as the HW division is terrible.

I also think, that Hrgovic would deal with Zhang.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Nov 2020, 19:04 looks slow and sloppy and ugly each fight, all his wins are messy. he's big and strong and obviously not terrible , prob top 20 range, but im finding it hard to get excited about him

the chinses hw zhang had a better win, actually pulled out a really quick nice counter to end that

they should fight

Slow and sloppy? Hrgovic has good skills and speed. I have read your posts before. Mate, you come across as a hater which probably means Hrgovic is good enough to hate. Better than top 20 range.

If you know anything about Booker, he is defensive and fought very defensively, yet he was down and stopped for the only time in his career.

Hrgovic is ready to step up. His magement said so, and he said the same. Who do you think he should fight in 2021?

pound per pound wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 08:39If you know anything about Booker, he is defensive and fought very defensively, yet he was down and stopped for the only time in his career.

Let's be fair, Booker wasn't hurt or in any sort distress at the time of the stoppage. The ref decided to end the fight, because the American wasn't punching back. It wasn't a proper KO win.

Filip Hrgović defeated a man that is on the cusp of turning forty years of age, that's only won four bouts within the last 16½ years (against opponents having a combined total of 58 wins from the 142 fights they competed in).

Rydell Booker was essentially a cruiserweight before his 13½ year hiatus from the sport and physically appeared to be carrying around 50lbs worth of flab, which accounts for the excess weight he'd gained since his heydey.

Booker’s most recent victory, about 15 months ago, came against an opponent that hasn’t won a single fight within the last 8½ years (i.e. seven consecutive losses).

I’m sorry, but I can’t award Hrgović any Kudos for engaging in a mismatch. And this isn’t merely hindsight speaking, because I accurately predicted the outcome of the fight.

And to be fair, I suspect most of the forum also believed that Hrgović had engaged in another mismatch.