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Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 12:44
by vitalyjohnson
If Mike Tyson stayed with Cus and Kevin Ronney, maybe the best???
Mike won the heavyweight title 21 years old and unified it.
He was bored against Douglas.
He knocked Douglas out with long count. He would still be undefeated.
Then he went to jail. What if no. He would still be good.
He lost to Holyfield and Lewis when he was bored. If excited, he would win!
One of Tyson best matches vs Golota. Golota is underrated. Nice punch by Mike hurt Andrew's eye.
Mike should have stayed with Ronney.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 12:47
by chrisjs1985
Troll post. It's hard to tell with Tyson fanatics because they sound like trolls but I suspect you are mocking here.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 12:50
by vitalyjohnson
chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 12:47
Troll post. It's hard to tell with Tyson fanatics because they sound like trolls but I suspect you are mocking here.
He had lots of bad things happen to him. If he had better life and did steroids like Evander Real Deal, what do you think? I am not sure but Iron Mike was amazing.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 14:48
by Onetimeonly
Zero chance with any trainer.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 15:57
by vitalyjohnson
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 14:48
Zero chance with any trainer.
PUH-lease. Iron Mike was champion while Real Deal was still amateur. Youngest champion ever and punched harder than TANK ABBOTT.
Don King ruined Mike. Mike had hard life. He's gonna start comeback vs Roy Jones Jr.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 16:47
by Onetimeonly
OK thatch.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 16:53
by vitalyjohnson
Don't know what thatch means but Iron Mike had storied career. Fought himself out of the ghetto.
Pounded cocky Larry Holmes.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 06:37
by detamour
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 12:44
If Mike Tyson stayed with Cus and Kevin Ronney, maybe the best???
Mike won the heavyweight title 21 years old and unified it.
He was bored against Douglas.
He knocked Douglas out with long count. He would still be undefeated.
Then he went to jail. What if no. He would still be good.
He lost to Holyfield and Lewis when he was bored. If excited, he would
win!
Excuses Excuses, no version of Tyson would of ever beaten Holyfield. The latter clashed with Tyson at an Olympic Training camp in the early 80s and turned his tail right in front of Manny Steward.
One of Tyson best matches vs Golota. Golota is underrated. Nice punch by Mike hurt Andrew's eye.
Mike should have stayed with Ronney.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 06:38
by detamour
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 12:50
chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 12:47
Troll post. It's hard to tell with Tyson fanatics because they sound like trolls but I suspect you are mocking here.
He had lots of bad things happen to him. If he had better life and did steroids like Evander Real Deal, what do you think? I am not sure but Iron Mike was amazing.
To quote his nutty mentor Cus, he lacked Character and Mental Toughness. He Succumbed to the Fire because he could not control his fears.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 06:39
by detamour
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 15:57
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 14:48
Zero chance with any trainer.
PUH-lease. Iron Mike was champion while Real Deal was still amateur. Youngest champion ever and punched harder than TANK ABBOTT.
Don King ruined Mike. Mike had hard life. He's gonna start comeback vs Roy Jones Jr.
Rubbish, Holyfield turned pro in late 1984 and tyson in march 85 of my head.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 06:40
by detamour
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 16:53
Don't know what thatch means but Iron Mike had storied career. Fought himself out of the ghetto.
Pounded cocky Larry Holmes.
You forget that Holmes was 38 yrs old, Just like Ali was v Holmes at 38 yrs old 8 yrs Prior when they fought.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 09:59
by vitalyjohnson
detamour wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 06:40
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 16:53
Don't know what thatch means but Iron Mike had storied career. Fought himself out of the ghetto.
Pounded cocky Larry Holmes.
You forget that Holmes was 38 yrs old, Just like Ali was v Holmes at 38 yrs old 8 yrs Prior when they fought.
How old was Lennox when he fought the hungry Vitali K?
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 11:47
by gilgamesh
Holyfield was better than Tyson any which way you can measure it.
Head to head with him. He's 2-0.
He beat better fighters than Tyson ever did.
Won the Heavyweight Championship or a version of it more times than Tyson did.
Was more competitive with or outright beat the people that Tyson couldn't.
Holyfield all day, every day using even the most basic kinda logic.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:04
by vitalyjohnson
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:47
Holyfield was better than Tyson any which way you can measure it.
Head to head with him. He's 2-0.
He beat better fighters than Tyson ever did.
Won the Heavyweight Championship or a version of it more times than Tyson did.
Was more competitive with or outright beat the people that Tyson couldn't.
Holyfield all day, every day using even the most basic kinda logic.
What if Tyson stay in Catskill NY and not with Don King?
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:05
by gilgamesh
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:04
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:47
Holyfield was better than Tyson any which way you can measure it.
Head to head with him. He's 2-0.
He beat better fighters than Tyson ever did.
Won the Heavyweight Championship or a version of it more times than Tyson did.
Was more competitive with or outright beat the people that Tyson couldn't.
Holyfield all day, every day using even the most basic kinda logic.
What if Tyson stay in Catskill NY and not with Don King?
He would've beaten Razor Ruddock easier. He might've beaten Buster Douglas. He still would've lost to Holyfield.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:11
by DrDuke
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:05
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:04
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 11:47
Holyfield was better than Tyson any which way you can measure it.
Head to head with him. He's 2-0.
He beat better fighters than Tyson ever did.
Won the Heavyweight Championship or a version of it more times than Tyson did.
Was more competitive with or outright beat the people that Tyson couldn't.
Holyfield all day, every day using even the most basic kinda logic.
What if Tyson stay in Catskill NY and not with Don King?
He would've beaten Razor Ruddock easier. He might've beaten Buster Douglas. He still would've lost to Holyfield.
Sounds about right. However, it's tough to predict the Douglas bout in this case just acknowledging how Douglas looked that night actually.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:14
by vitalyjohnson
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:05
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:04
What if Tyson stay in Catskill NY and not with Don King?
He would've beaten Razor Ruddock easier. He might've beaten Buster Douglas. He still would've lost to Holyfield.
Sounds about right. However, it's tough to predict the Douglas bout in this case just acknowledging how Douglas looked that night actually.
Douglas knocked out by long count! Review fight!
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:15
by gilgamesh
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:05
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:04
What if Tyson stay in Catskill NY and not with Don King?
He would've beaten Razor Ruddock easier. He might've beaten Buster Douglas. He still would've lost to Holyfield.
Sounds about right. However, it's tough to predict the Douglas bout in this case just acknowledging how Douglas looked that night actually.
True. Douglas would've been a problem for him anyhow that night. He was ready, and he had all the dimensions to give Tyson problems whatever the case.
But Tyson wouldn't have half assed his training, and he wouldn't have had people trying to heal his swollen eye with a glove
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:16
by gilgamesh
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:05
He would've beaten Razor Ruddock easier. He might've beaten Buster Douglas. He still would've lost to Holyfield.
Sounds about right. However, it's tough to predict the Douglas bout in this case just acknowledging how Douglas looked that night actually.
Douglas knocked out by long count! Review fight!
He's ready to get up at 4 or 5. Wisely took his time, Listened to the count, and took the extra few seconds to further clear his head, and continue dominating.
I've seen it multiple times. Nothing the least bit controversial there. Just Tyson fans really wishing their guy could've won.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:18
by DrDuke
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:05
He would've beaten Razor Ruddock easier. He might've beaten Buster Douglas. He still would've lost to Holyfield.
Sounds about right. However, it's tough to predict the Douglas bout in this case just acknowledging how Douglas looked that night actually.
Douglas knocked out by long count! Review fight!
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:23
by vitalyjohnson
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:18
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:11
Sounds about right. However, it's tough to predict the Douglas bout in this case just acknowledging how Douglas looked that night actually.
Douglas knocked out by long count! Review fight!
How bout the tons of steroids Real Deal had taken?
Mike had a lot of bad circumstances. He is one of the best ever.
Mike was champ, age 20. Youngest ever. Then Cus died and Kevin Ronney stopped training him. Teddy Atlas threatened to shoot him with gun.
Mike could have been best. He hit like a mule kick.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:30
by gilgamesh
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:23
DrDuke wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:18
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:14
Douglas knocked out by long count! Review fight!
How bout the tons of steroids Real Deal had taken?
Mike had a lot of bad circumstances. He is one of the best ever.
Mike was champ, age 20. Youngest ever. Then Cus died and Kevin Ronney stopped training him. Teddy Atlas threatened to shoot him with gun.
Mike could have been best. He hit like a mule kick.
The Discipline to stay in top shape, and get the best out of your abilities is just as important as your natural gifts.
Holyfield had more discipline than him by miles. Tyson needed a coach to force the discipline on him. Holyfield demanded it of himself.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:36
by vitalyjohnson
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:30
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:23
How bout the tons of steroids Real Deal had taken?
Mike had a lot of bad circumstances. He is one of the best ever.
Mike was champ, age 20. Youngest ever. Then Cus died and Kevin Ronney stopped training him. Teddy Atlas threatened to shoot him with gun.
Mike could have been best. He hit like a mule kick.
The Discipline to stay in top shape, and get the best out of your abilities is just as important as your natural gifts.
Holyfield had more discipline than him by miles. Tyson needed a coach to force the discipline on him. Holyfield demanded it of himself.
What about Real Deal headbutts? Did you see Rakman head like giant balloon?
Tyson top 5 most say?
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:38
by gilgamesh
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:36
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:30
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:23
How bout the tons of steroids Real Deal had taken?
Mike had a lot of bad circumstances. He is one of the best ever.
Mike was champ, age 20. Youngest ever. Then Cus died and Kevin Ronney stopped training him. Teddy Atlas threatened to shoot him with gun.
Mike could have been best. He hit like a mule kick.
The Discipline to stay in top shape, and get the best out of your abilities is just as important as your natural gifts.
Holyfield had more discipline than him by miles. Tyson needed a coach to force the discipline on him. Holyfield demanded it of himself.
What about Real Deal headbutts? Did you see Rakman head like giant balloon?
Tyson top 5 most say?
What about Holyfield's headbutts? He got away with 'em didn't he? That's a skill.
Tyson was the 3rd best fighter of his own era.
I don't think he's Top 10 of all time, but you could make a case for Top 15.
Re: Mike Tyson better than Holyfield
Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 12:40
by DrDuke
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:38
vitalyjohnson wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:36
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Nov 2020, 12:30
The Discipline to stay in top shape, and get the best out of your abilities is just as important as your natural gifts.
Holyfield had more discipline than him by miles. Tyson needed a coach to force the discipline on him. Holyfield demanded it of himself.
What about Real Deal headbutts? Did you see Rakman head like giant balloon?
Tyson top 5 most say?
What about Holyfield's headbutts? He got away with 'em didn't he? That's a skill.
Tyson was the 3rd best fighter of his own era.
I don't think he's Top 10 of all time, but you could make a case for Top 15.
I'd say, Tyson was in two eras. The late 80s and the 90s - early 2000s had different pictures. In the first era Tyson was #1, in the second one he was #4 for me.