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Posted: **24 Jan 2005, 15:20**

I want opinions from you all about this TERRIFIC SOUTHPAW AND ALL TIME GREAT Freddie Miller.

I do not understand why this guy is not mentioned more often with the all time greats. In my opinion, HE'S A TOP 40 ALL TIME FIGHTER, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME HE WAS UNDERRATED.

I have seen his record and it was VERY IMPRESSIVE. He fought the best bantams and featherweights alike of his time. He won over 200 bouts and has the RECORD of most consecutive bouts without being stopped or knocked out with 247. He was, UNFORTUNATELY, stopped in his last fight.

Freddie Miller of Cincinnati, OH did evrything an all time great is required to do, but The Ring Magazine did not do him any JUSTICE by ranking him in the 62nd spot in their anniversary edition of the best fighters of the last 80 years: 1922-2002, WHICH I COMPLETELY DISAGREE
He defended the NBA Feather crown 11 times. Beat greats like Panama Al Brown and toughies like Petey Sarron 4 times. Unbeaten in 55 bouts in a row, winning 49 bouts in sucession.

My question is: What was wrong with this guy??? :( :( :(

Posted: **25 Jan 2005, 09:06**

I agree. I had posted something like this years ago. Miller's record compares with anyone of that day. I think if you didn't fight in New York much you didn't get recognized in those days.

Posted: **25 Jan 2005, 10:44**

Other great fighters that Freddie Miller beat: Lew Feldman, Baby Arzimendi, Chalky Wright, Tommy Paul, Baby Casanova, Neal Tarleton, Freddie "Red" Cochrane, and lost to Sammy Angott and Battling Battalino.

If these crop of fighters in your resume do not make you a top 50 all time great, I do not know what will. Plus 11 title defenses and 212 wins in 250 contests, to me THAT'S AMAZING!!!

Posted: **25 Jan 2005, 14:23**

Miller has a very good record, unfortunately there are a lot of guys who deserve recognition as a top fifty fighter. The problem is there can only be 50 top 50 fighters which doesnt leave room many of the great fighters from history.

Posted: **26 Jan 2005, 15:30**

I do not care if I like a fighter or not, if a fighter has more than 200 victories against top notch opposition and beat the very best of his time, HE GOT TO BE a top 50 all time fighter.

Freddie Miller did that and more. He dominated his era and make 11 title defenses of the NBA Feather Crown in 3 years as champion.

Plus has the Guinness World of Records of most consecutive bouts without being stopped with 247...That's a hell of a career...Nevermind the fighter....HE WAS AWESOME!!!

Posted: **26 Jan 2005, 15:42**

Guiness is wrong. Greb went from December of 1916 to August 1926 without being stopped in 249 bouts.

You dont think you can name fifty more accomplished/better fighters than miller?

Posted: **26 Jan 2005, 16:13**

klompton wrote:Guiness is wrong. Greb went from December of 1916 to August 1926 without being stopped in 249 bouts.

You dont think you can name fifty more accomplished/better fighters than miller?

I think not. I cannot see 50 better fighters than Miller. Maybe 30 or 35 better fighters than him, but not 50 or more, because of the volume of fights Miller did. Just by volume alone, Miller to me, ranks with the all time best.

About Harry Greb, most of them were No contests or non decisions which I do not take regard of. He fought over 300 bouts and lost only 8, which is amazing to me, that's why he's one of the best ever. And I think he was better than Miller too. Miller only had about 2 o 3 non decisions I think.

Posted: **26 Jan 2005, 19:01**

What do you mean you dont take regard of no-decision bouts? That was the rule of the day. They were as legit as any other bout and it doesnt change the fact that in Greb had a longer streak of not getting stopped than Miller, which was my point.

I think there were definately fifty fighters better than Miller. Sure he had a ton of fights and a long winning streak but his competition during that time was sub par. When he stepped up his record began to get more spotty. Then he steps down his competition on his euro tour for a time in 1935 and suddenly he has another long unbeaten streak. Id say he was good but not head and shoulders above anyone else like so many other great fighters were.

Posted: **26 Jan 2005, 20:53**

..when i was a performer i worked many times on the bill with Patti Miller...Freddie's daughter and she had alot of fascinating memorabilia about him. truly a phenomenal record. I was helping her at the time trying to get a street named after him in cincinnati...at that time without any luck. haven't been in touch with her for a lomng time...this thread reminds me that i should do so again.

Posted: **27 Jan 2005, 16:24**

Jaclem wrote:..when i was a performer i worked many times on the bill with Patti Miller...Freddie's daughter and she had alot of fascinating memorabilia about him. truly a phenomenal record. I was helping her at the time trying to get a street named after him in cincinnati...at that time without any luck. haven't been in touch with her for a lomng time...this thread reminds me that i should do so again.

Yeah, He should get a street in his name. What a fighter!!!

Posted: **27 Jan 2005, 16:25**

Jaclem wrote:..when i was a performer i worked many times on the bill with Patti Miller...Freddie's daughter and she had alot of fascinating memorabilia about him. truly a phenomenal record. I was helping her at the time trying to get a street named after him in cincinnati...at that time without any luck. haven't been in touch with her for a lomng time...this thread reminds me that i should do so again.

Yeah, there should be a street in his name. What a fighter!!!

Posted: **08 Feb 2005, 14:28**

I knew Fillo Echevarria who died a few years ago, in his eighties. Fillo went the distance with Chocolate, beat Baby Arizmendi and Izzy Schwartz and fought some real tough nuts including Lou Salica.... and Fillo said that Miller was as good as Chocolate. Miller and Fillo went ten rounds and Fillo admited not having won a single round from Miller, saying that Freddie was one of the most underrated fighters in the history of boxing.

Posted: **10 Feb 2005, 10:26**

A good fight at featherweight in the 1930s would have been Freddie Miller vs Henry Armstrong...Can you imagine that fight???

They were at featherweight around at the same time. Why they did not fight each other??? I have been thinking about this dream match