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Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 04:31
by p4p1
Sticking with Antonio Martins theme about boxing rumours, how about rumours that seemed far fetched but almost impossibly turned out to be true.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 25 Dec 2020, 09:56
by sweetsci
I love this topic idea. I just can't really think of much. When it turns out to be true, it turns into history and we forget how far fetched it was. It's sort of like an upset. At the time it's a big shock, but hindsight reveals writing on the wall. Speaking of...

1990 - Mike Tyson was knocked down in sparring by Greg Page and hasn't been looking good in training. Maybe Buster Douglas has a shot...

Other rumors -

Emile Griffith being gay. For years society didn't have much of an understanding or acceptance of homosexuality. How could a rough tough fighter be gay?

The 1980's and cocaine - You'd hear rumors sometimes, but these were elite professional highly-trained athletes. No way they're going to be involved with drugs. But they were.

George Foreman will not win a decision against Shannon Briggs. A later investigation cleared those accused. But the fact remains that Briggs got the decision in a fight most people think he lost.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 11:33
by JC
Luis Resto’s testimony about Panama Lewis has pretty much confirmed that the black bottle from Pryor Arguello I was not just water (apparently asthma medication to open up the airways)

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 07:26
by p4p1
J-C wrote: 26 Dec 2020, 11:33 Luis Resto’s testimony about Panama Lewis has pretty much confirmed that the black bottle from Pryor Arguello I was not just water (apparently asthma medication to open up the airways)
To me knowldge asthma meds on someone who isn't asthmatic has a pretty minimal impact. I went for an asthma test not long ago and the way it is diagnosed is more or less the difference the medication makes to your air ways/breathing capacity. I'm not sure if it would really make all that much difference unless Pryor had asthma.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 14:00
by SteveO
sweetsci wrote: 25 Dec 2020, 09:56 George Foreman will not win a decision against Shannon Briggs. A later investigation cleared those accused. But the fact remains that Briggs got the decision in a fight most people think he lost.
Yes, that was a stinker

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 14:27
by JC
p4p1 wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 07:26
J-C wrote: 26 Dec 2020, 11:33 Luis Resto’s testimony about Panama Lewis has pretty much confirmed that the black bottle from Pryor Arguello I was not just water (apparently asthma medication to open up the airways)
To me knowldge asthma meds on someone who isn't asthmatic has a pretty minimal impact. I went for an asthma test not long ago and the way it is diagnosed is more or less the difference the medication makes to your air ways/breathing capacity. I'm not sure if it would really make all that much difference unless Pryor had asthma.
Interesting. I don't know anything about the science of it. Resto said it was a crushed up pill. God knows what it was.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 14:38
by Jeff_lacy_ko
According to several people the black bottle had some peppermint schnapps concoction

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 27 Dec 2020, 18:02
by Ross
J-C wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 14:27
p4p1 wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 07:26
J-C wrote: 26 Dec 2020, 11:33 Luis Resto’s testimony about Panama Lewis has pretty much confirmed that the black bottle from Pryor Arguello I was not just water (apparently asthma medication to open up the airways)
To me knowldge asthma meds on someone who isn't asthmatic has a pretty minimal impact. I went for an asthma test not long ago and the way it is diagnosed is more or less the difference the medication makes to your air ways/breathing capacity. I'm not sure if it would really make all that much difference unless Pryor had asthma.
Interesting. I don't know anything about the science of it. Resto said it was a crushed up pill. God knows what it was.

About 25 years ago I knew some guys doing weights that took a type of medication to clear airways for a horse! Like Asthma medication for a horse was how it was described to me by a chemist friend I showed the medication too, it was in a powder. I became aware of it when I went for a run with one of the guys doing weights and I left him about a kilometer behind me. On the same run 2 days latter over the last kilometer i kept trying to pull way and he stayed with me all the way. He had taken a drink mixed with powder before we ran. Definitely made a huge difference.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 28 Dec 2020, 05:07
by p4p1
Ross wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 18:02
J-C wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 14:27
p4p1 wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 07:26

To me knowldge asthma meds on someone who isn't asthmatic has a pretty minimal impact. I went for an asthma test not long ago and the way it is diagnosed is more or less the difference the medication makes to your air ways/breathing capacity. I'm not sure if it would really make all that much difference unless Pryor had asthma.
Interesting. I don't know anything about the science of it. Resto said it was a crushed up pill. God knows what it was.

About 25 years ago I knew some guys doing weights that took a type of medication to clear airways for a horse! Like Asthma medication for a horse was how it was described to me by a chemist friend I showed the medication too, it was in a powder. I became aware of it when I went for a run with one of the guys doing weights and I left him about a kilometer behind me. On the same run 2 days latter over the last kilometer i kept trying to pull way and he stayed with me all the way. He had taken a drink mixed with powder before we ran. Definitely made a huge difference.
Very interesting. If it is intended for a horse I would imagine it would be far more effective on a human who doesn't have asthma. When I did the test I had a very slight improvement with the medication, it would make sense that if you gave someone medication meant for a horse that it would cause a much larger improvement.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 03:20
by Ross
p4p1 wrote: 28 Dec 2020, 05:07
Ross wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 18:02
J-C wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 14:27

Interesting. I don't know anything about the science of it. Resto said it was a crushed up pill. God knows what it was.

About 25 years ago I knew some guys doing weights that took a type of medication to clear airways for a horse! Like Asthma medication for a horse was how it was described to me by a chemist friend I showed the medication too, it was in a powder. I became aware of it when I went for a run with one of the guys doing weights and I left him about a kilometer behind me. On the same run 2 days latter over the last kilometer i kept trying to pull way and he stayed with me all the way. He had taken a drink mixed with powder before we ran. Definitely made a huge difference.
Very interesting. If it is intended for a horse I would imagine it would be far more effective on a human who doesn't have asthma. When I did the test I had a very slight improvement with the medication, it would make sense that if you gave someone medication meant for a horse that it would cause a much larger improvement.
The chemist did a calculation based on weight and the bloke was over dosing hundreds fold, I recall after reading your response that he started getting the shakes when he took it and eventually stopped taking that and took something else. The body builders believed it gave them mass, the chemist said it improved the air flow and blood flow.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 05:10
by p4p1
Ross wrote: 29 Dec 2020, 03:20
p4p1 wrote: 28 Dec 2020, 05:07
Ross wrote: 27 Dec 2020, 18:02


About 25 years ago I knew some guys doing weights that took a type of medication to clear airways for a horse! Like Asthma medication for a horse was how it was described to me by a chemist friend I showed the medication too, it was in a powder. I became aware of it when I went for a run with one of the guys doing weights and I left him about a kilometer behind me. On the same run 2 days latter over the last kilometer i kept trying to pull way and he stayed with me all the way. He had taken a drink mixed with powder before we ran. Definitely made a huge difference.
Very interesting. If it is intended for a horse I would imagine it would be far more effective on a human who doesn't have asthma. When I did the test I had a very slight improvement with the medication, it would make sense that if you gave someone medication meant for a horse that it would cause a much larger improvement.
The chemist did a calculation based on weight and the bloke was over dosing hundreds fold, I recall after reading your response that he started getting the shakes when he took it and eventually stopped taking that and took something else. The body builders believed it gave them mass, the chemist said it improved the air flow and blood flow.
The medication is a form of steroids which is probably why they thought it would give them mass. It definitely adds something to the Pryor Arguello story, and if that was what he was given, I would imagine there would be a boost of energy due to all the oxygen flooding his system.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 01 Jan 2021, 15:35
by bwu
Joe Frazier fighting when he was legally blind.

Re: Far fetched boxing rumours that turned out to be true

Posted: 09 Jan 2021, 08:15
by elmersalsa
The WBC featherweight champs ducked the great Eusebio Pedroza?