"Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 20:24
by Caractacus
thought this should maybe be a catagory thread since a number of fights on the "Classic Fights thread arn't really classics.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 20 Jan 2021, 20:26
by Caractacus
like this rare bootleg fight film footage here .
didnt even know it existed until recently
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 21 Jan 2021, 15:47
by Caractacus
September 1977
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 11 Feb 2021, 19:05
by pound per pound
Joe Frazier vs Scrap Iron?
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 12 Feb 2021, 14:17
by AntonioMartin
I've been hoping to see some of the obscure undercard fights from 1980's telecasts.
When I was ten or so, ESPN and MSG began showing full cards, not just the main events. Then came USA and ASPN. That gave the fan a chance to appreciate and evaluate all kinds of talents without having to be there to see them fight. We'll see what pops up in this thread as far as those fights!
Oh yeah, now that I remember, I used to get Galavision from Mexico then and they also showed complete shows from Arena Mexico, while in my country Puerto Rico we had Canal 7 showing shows from towns like Trujillo Alto, Canovanas and Camuy, also showing every fight in those little but always interesting shows. Felix Trinidad Sr., as well as former world champion Julian Solis and future world champion Victor Callejas were among the commonly showcased boxers on "el 7"s show.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 14 Feb 2021, 21:47
by bwu
There are several Harold Brazier fights on YouTube that are worth watching. His fights against Roger Mayweather and John Wesley Meekins aren’t well remembered, but should be viewed as classics.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 15 Feb 2021, 09:08
by hhaehre
No feeling out rounds in SA heavyweight fights.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 15 Feb 2021, 14:45
by scartissue
Here is a fight I thought I would never see. The 1975 vacant welterweight title fight between Angel Espada and Clyde Gray. The video is amazing in its clarity for it being almost 46 years old. A couple of funny things about this bout. 1) The fight took place in Puerto Rico, so the Puerto Ricans scream at everything Espada throws, whether it lands or not. Also, the commentators are Canadian, so they obviously lean towards Gray. 2) I read at the time in Ring mag (obviously from a Puerto Rican writer) how Espada controlled the bout, etc. And I believed it as I had nothing else to go on. Until, of course, this video went public. Let me just say the actual fight was nothing like the writer's article. Nothing mentioned at all about Espada hanging on for dear life those last few rounds. And as for the decision, well, one of the judges had it 148-134 for Espada. Again, I had nothing to go on so I always believed it. Well let me tell ya, I had it 144-142 for Gray. I hope you guys watch it, enjoy it and score it.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 15 Feb 2021, 16:59
by AntonioMartin
scartissue wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 14:45
Here is a fight I thought I would never see. The 1975 vacant welterweight title fight between Angel Espada and Clyde Gray. The video is amazing in its clarity for it being almost 46 years old. A couple of funny things about this bout. 1) The fight took place in Puerto Rico, so the Puerto Ricans scream at everything Espada throws, whether it lands or not. Also, the commentators are Canadian, so they obviously lean towards Gray. 2) I read at the time in Ring mag (obviously from a Puerto Rican writer) how Espada controlled the bout, etc. And I believed it as I had nothing else to go on. Until, of course, this video went public. Let me just say the actual fight was nothing like the writer's article. Nothing mentioned at all about Espada hanging on for dear life those last few rounds. And as for the decision, well, one of the judges had it 148-134 for Espada. Again, I had nothing to go on so I always believed it. Well let me tell ya, I had it 144-142 for Gray. I hope you guys watch it, enjoy it and score it.
Great fight! As a Puerto Rican, I had Gray ahead by one, 143-142 but it was very hard to score!!!
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 15 Feb 2021, 17:32
by AntonioMartin
hhaehre wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 09:08
No feeling out rounds in SA heavyweight fights.
Bennie Knoetzee, Kalie Knoetzee, Pierre Coetzer and Gerrie Coetzee always confused me, their names sounding too close! I was able to separate Coetzee from the rest after he beat Dokes for the WBA world title but the rest?..nah! Luckily Gerry Cooney wasnt South African or he'd be among those I confused also!!!
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
scartissue wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 14:45
Here is a fight I thought I would never see. The 1975 vacant welterweight title fight between Angel Espada and Clyde Gray. The video is amazing in its clarity for it being almost 46 years old. A couple of funny things about this bout. 1) The fight took place in Puerto Rico, so the Puerto Ricans scream at everything Espada throws, whether it lands or not. Also, the commentators are Canadian, so they obviously lean towards Gray. 2) I read at the time in Ring mag (obviously from a Puerto Rican writer) how Espada controlled the bout, etc. And I believed it as I had nothing else to go on. Until, of course, this video went public. Let me just say the actual fight was nothing like the writer's article. Nothing mentioned at all about Espada hanging on for dear life those last few rounds. And as for the decision, well, one of the judges had it 148-134 for Espada. Again, I had nothing to go on so I always believed it. Well let me tell ya, I had it 144-142 for Gray. I hope you guys watch it, enjoy it and score it.
Great fight! As a Puerto Rican, I had Gray ahead by one, 143-142 but it was very hard to score!!!
Antonio, there were some close rounds, indeed. Enjoyable nonetheless. It was great seeing these two operators at work after all these years. Both very talented and underrated. Clearly you and I were on the same page scoring this fight. Where the judges were, I have no idea.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
scartissue wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 14:45
Here is a fight I thought I would never see. The 1975 vacant welterweight title fight between Angel Espada and Clyde Gray. The video is amazing in its clarity for it being almost 46 years old. A couple of funny things about this bout. 1) The fight took place in Puerto Rico, so the Puerto Ricans scream at everything Espada throws, whether it lands or not. Also, the commentators are Canadian, so they obviously lean towards Gray. 2) I read at the time in Ring mag (obviously from a Puerto Rican writer) how Espada controlled the bout, etc. And I believed it as I had nothing else to go on. Until, of course, this video went public. Let me just say the actual fight was nothing like the writer's article. Nothing mentioned at all about Espada hanging on for dear life those last few rounds. And as for the decision, well, one of the judges had it 148-134 for Espada. Again, I had nothing to go on so I always believed it. Well let me tell ya, I had it 144-142 for Gray. I hope you guys watch it, enjoy it and score it.
Great fight! As a Puerto Rican, I had Gray ahead by one, 143-142 but it was very hard to score!!!
Antonio, there were some close rounds, indeed. Enjoyable nonetheless. It was great seeing these two operators at work after all these years. Both very talented and underrated. Clearly you and I were on the same page scoring this fight. Where the judges were, I have no idea.
In Pepe Cordero's pocket?
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 15 Feb 2021, 21:32
by goose 5
I also had Gray ahead, but it was close. Clyde is an absolute gentleman, one of the nicest guys I've ever met in any walk of life.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 16 Feb 2021, 01:53
by AntonioMartin
goose 5 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 21:32
I also had Gray ahead, but it was close. Clyde is an absolute gentleman, one of the nicest guys I've ever met in any walk of life.
Lucky you!
Boxers are usually among the nicest people to meet in person...
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
Posted: 20 Feb 2021, 15:35
by Onetimeonly
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021, 14:17
I've been hoping to see some of the obscure undercard fights from 1980's telecasts.
When I was ten or so, ESPN and MSG began showing full cards, not just the main events. Then came USA and ASPN. That gave the fan a chance to appreciate and evaluate all kinds of talents without having to be there to see them fight. We'll see what pops up in this thread as far as those fights!
Oh yeah, now that I remember, I used to get Galavision from Mexico then and they also showed complete shows from Arena Mexico, while in my country Puerto Rico we had Canal 7 showing shows from towns like Trujillo Alto, Canovanas and Camuy, also showing every fight in those little but always interesting shows. Felix Trinidad Sr., as well as former world champion Julian Solis and future world champion Victor Callejas were among the commonly showcased boxers on "el 7"s show.
Damn, ESPN and USA never showed full cards here.
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021, 14:17
I've been hoping to see some of the obscure undercard fights from 1980's telecasts.
When I was ten or so, ESPN and MSG began showing full cards, not just the main events. Then came USA and ASPN. That gave the fan a chance to appreciate and evaluate all kinds of talents without having to be there to see them fight. We'll see what pops up in this thread as far as those fights!
Oh yeah, now that I remember, I used to get Galavision from Mexico then and they also showed complete shows from Arena Mexico, while in my country Puerto Rico we had Canal 7 showing shows from towns like Trujillo Alto, Canovanas and Camuy, also showing every fight in those little but always interesting shows. Felix Trinidad Sr., as well as former world champion Julian Solis and future world champion Victor Callejas were among the commonly showcased boxers on "el 7"s show.
Damn, ESPN and USA never showed full cards here.
Where do you live at??
Re: "Obscure or Little seen fight films that you've seen lately
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑12 Feb 2021, 14:17
I've been hoping to see some of the obscure undercard fights from 1980's telecasts.
When I was ten or so, ESPN and MSG began showing full cards, not just the main events. Then came USA and ASPN. That gave the fan a chance to appreciate and evaluate all kinds of talents without having to be there to see them fight. We'll see what pops up in this thread as far as those fights!
Oh yeah, now that I remember, I used to get Galavision from Mexico then and they also showed complete shows from Arena Mexico, while in my country Puerto Rico we had Canal 7 showing shows from towns like Trujillo Alto, Canovanas and Camuy, also showing every fight in those little but always interesting shows. Felix Trinidad Sr., as well as former world champion Julian Solis and future world champion Victor Callejas were among the commonly showcased boxers on "el 7"s show.
