I have a question:
I read how Joe Frazier had an arm accident on his left arm before he became a boxer..
Now here is my question:
Is it possible the accident actually hurt him, that he had more power on that arm-impossible as that seems-and somehow the accident prevented him from using it to his full capability in boxing fights or....is it possible the accident actually helped him by tightening it and making his bones stronger??
Im not a dr, just an interested and wondering person, that's why I ask...
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 14:38
by Caractacus
the accident left his left arm in a permanent and slighty bent shape that he could never fully straighten out..
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 04:29
by AntonioMartin
Caractacus wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 14:38
the accident left his left arm in a permanent and slighty bent shape that he could never fully straighten out..
Hmnn do you think that helped or hurt his power??
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 09:53
by orbtastic
Bone continually grows. A reset bone will knit back thicker but it’s not going to help your punching power.
It may have forced him to have a more naturally hooking style or shot but it’s not like it’s given him a bionic arm.
You don’t get your power from bone density. You get it from muscle, technique and pivoting/leverage.
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 10:24
by DrDuke
orbtastic wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 09:53
Bone continually grows. A reset bone will knit back thicker but it’s not going to help your punching power.
It may have forced him to have a more naturally hooking style or shot but it’s not like it’s given him a bionic arm.
You don’t get your power from bone density. You get it from muscle, technique and pivoting/leverage.
Probably the question is if his "crooked" arm was a sorta tool for a left hook to be thrown with more power. Possibly it allowed to create a better leverage or trajectory, or stuff like that.
Anyway, it's not possible to judge. Individual factors matter a lot in such cases.
orbtastic wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 09:53
Bone continually grows. A reset bone will knit back thicker but it’s not going to help your punching power.
It may have forced him to have a more naturally hooking style or shot but it’s not like it’s given him a bionic arm.
You don’t get your power from bone density. You get it from muscle, technique and pivoting/leverage.
Probably the question is if his "crooked" arm was a sorta tool for a left hook to be thrown with more power. Possibly it allowed to create a better leverage or trajectory, or stuff like that.
Anyway, it's not possible to judge. Individual factors matter a lot in such cases.
Thank you both for those observations!
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 16:42
by Onetimeonly
I thought you meant his broken ankle before the first Ali fight.
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 06:31
by evrenb
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 10:50
I have a question:
I read how Joe Frazier had an arm accident on his left arm before he became a boxer..
Now here is my question:
Is it possible the accident actually hurt him, that he had more power on that arm-impossible as that seems-and somehow the accident prevented him from using it to his full capability in boxing fights or....is it possible the accident actually helped him by tightening it and making his bones stronger??
Im not a dr, just an interested and wondering person, that's why I ask...
Hi
I have found an interview where Joe is asked this question. I will post it soon for you
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 10:44
by Tuan_Jim
He said in Smokin' in 1996 he felt it improved his left hook.
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 11:36
by evrenb
AntonioMartin wrote: ↑30 Jan 2021, 10:50
I have a question:
I read how Joe Frazier had an arm accident on his left arm before he became a boxer..
Now here is my question:
Is it possible the accident actually hurt him, that he had more power on that arm-impossible as that seems-and somehow the accident prevented him from using it to his full capability in boxing fights or....is it possible the accident actually helped him by tightening it and making his bones stronger??
Im not a dr, just an interested and wondering person, that's why I ask...
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 12:05
by Tony1244
Reminds me of 3 Finger Brown. I think he was a pitcher that only had 3 fingers, which gave his pitches quite an ark.
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 13:02
by oogiebe
Tony1244 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 12:05
Reminds me of 3 Finger Brown. I think he was a pitcher that only had 3 fingers, which gave his pitches quite an ark.
Didn't a 80's Mets pitcher have one finger without a tip? Bob Ojeda? One of those guys.
Tony1244 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 12:05
Reminds me of 3 Finger Brown. I think he was a pitcher that only had 3 fingers, which gave his pitches quite an ark.
Didn't a 80's Mets pitcher have one finger without a tip? Bob Ojeda? One of those guys.
Believe you are correct, sir. But I think he had more "hand" than 3 Fingers.
Tony1244 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 12:05
Reminds me of 3 Finger Brown. I think he was a pitcher that only had 3 fingers, which gave his pitches quite an ark.
Didn't a 80's Mets pitcher have one finger without a tip? Bob Ojeda? One of those guys.
And of course there is Jim Abott....I was in person at the game he hit a triple! (a pre-season game against the San Francisco Giants, Abbott was in the AL where pitchers did not get to hit at that time, now they do on interleague games I think)
Tony1244 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 12:05
Reminds me of 3 Finger Brown. I think he was a pitcher that only had 3 fingers, which gave his pitches quite an ark.
Didn't a 80's Mets pitcher have one finger without a tip? Bob Ojeda? One of those guys.
Believe you are correct, sir. But I think he had more "hand" than 3 Fingers.
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 13:02
Didn't a 80's Mets pitcher have one finger without a tip? Bob Ojeda? One of those guys.
Believe you are correct, sir. But I think he had more "hand" than 3 Fingers.
Yeah, he had a missing tip only.
Just had a thought that proves I have way too much time on my hands. What if a certain break in your arm gave everyone a better hook? Or cutting 2 fingers off would gave a pitcher a wicked curveball? How many would do it? It would be like the new PEDs.
Believe you are correct, sir. But I think he had more "hand" than 3 Fingers.
Yeah, he had a missing tip only.
Just had a thought that proves I have way too much time on my hands. What if a certain break in your arm gave everyone a better hook? Or cutting 2 fingers off would gave a pitcher a wicked curveball? How many would do it? It would be like the new PEDs.
Believe you are correct, sir. But I think he had more "hand" than 3 Fingers.
Yeah, he had a missing tip only.
Just had a thought that proves I have way too much time on my hands. What if a certain break in your arm gave everyone a better hook? Or cutting 2 fingers off would gave a pitcher a wicked curveball? How many would do it? It would be like the new PEDs.
oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 03:28
Yeah, he had a missing tip only.
Just had a thought that proves I have way too much time on my hands. What if a certain break in your arm gave everyone a better hook? Or cutting 2 fingers off would gave a pitcher a wicked curveball? How many would do it? It would be like the new PEDs.
There’s only one way to find out...
Someone would have to find out to start the trend.
Believe you are correct, sir. But I think he had more "hand" than 3 Fingers.
Yeah, he had a missing tip only.
Just had a thought that proves I have way too much time on my hands. What if a certain break in your arm gave everyone a better hook? Or cutting 2 fingers off would gave a pitcher a wicked curveball? How many would do it? It would be like the new PEDs.
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 26 Feb 2021, 17:04
by Caractacus
Joe Frazier hurt his arm IN 1952 when he was just 8 yrs old
( from running from a 300 lb Boar Hog that he was poking with a stick
back in Beaufort SC and someone left the gate open.
he fell on a brick and his family could not afford him to see a a doctor.
he had only 70 percent of range in his left arm after that.
later the arm would become arthritic and around 1969 he developed "water on the elbow"
which was really painful and had to have his doctor drain it and inject cortizone.
on a regular basis.
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 09 Mar 2021, 20:39
by Crease
DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2021, 10:24
Probably the question is if his "crooked" arm was a sorta tool for a left hook to be thrown with more power. Possibly it allowed to create a better leverage or trajectory, or stuff like that.
I watched a segment about his crooked left arm years ago and it definitely did affect the natural trajectory...
If I remember right, it was something to do with the forearm bending to the right in a very acute angle, so when his opponents thought his punch was going around the back, it would curve in and land at the last moment...
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 09 Mar 2021, 21:01
by Caractacus
i wonder if years later after the accident (when he could afford to see a doctor)
If they X-Rayed it to determine if it was crooked because of bone or damaged ligaments ?
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 09 Mar 2021, 21:22
by AntonioMartin
Caractacus wrote: ↑26 Feb 2021, 17:04
Joe Frazier hurt his arm IN 1952 when he was just 8 yrs old
( from running from a 300 lb Boar Hog that he was poking with a stick
back in Beaufort SC and someone left the gate open.
he fell on a brick and his family could not afford him to see a a doctor.
he had only 70 percent of range in his left arm after that.
later the arm would become arthritic and around 1969 he developed "water on the elbow"
which was really painful and had to have his doctor drain it and inject cortizone.
on a regular basis.
Holy cow...
No wonder he didn't smile a lot on TV and stuff...poor Joe was in pain!!
Re: Joe Frazier's accident
Posted: 09 Mar 2021, 21:58
by bwu
Don’t forget about the whole “legally blind in one eye” thing that they avoided mentioning for a few decades.
