They Will Keep Coming, We also have the best at 154, 160, and THEE 4 best at 135, the Only Eastern European, British that would have any chance of beating any of the big 4 (Tank, T. Lopez, D. Haney and R. Garcia) is LomachenkoGoodz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 20:54 Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way
1okstcsb wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 01:56They Will Keep Coming, We also have the best at 154, 160, and THEE 4 best at 135, the Only Eastern European, British that would have any chance of beating any of the big 4 (Tank, T. Lopez, D. Haney and R. Garcia) is LomachenkoGoodz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 20:54 Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way
147 is good we have Jaron Ennis and Vergil Ortiz coming for titles in about 2 years and they are very young
According to BoxRec’s top 100 pound-for-pound ratings, 52% of the fighters listed are classified as Americans (born, nationality or permanently reside there).Goodz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 20:54 Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way
Yes good post EO and Maggie makes a good case for the defense too. Boxing in the US may not be what it was once but there's plenty of life in it yet.
From a commercial perspective, the USA continues to be boxing “home”, which explains the reason why so many (if not most) fighters and their families (especially those from poorer countries) choose to permanently reside there.
I didn't say they weren't American Citizens, but I don't think they'd necessarily be thought of as American Fighters seeing as how the majority of their skills were surely honed in the Countries of their Origin.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 10:01From a commercial perspective, the USA continues to be boxing “home”, which explains the reason why so many (if not most) fighters and their families (especially those from poorer countries) choose to permanently reside there.
If you firmly believe that immigrants that lawfully achieve permanent residence in the US cannot be considered as being American citizens (or permanently US-based), then that your prerogative.
Regardless, when you consider the fact that more than half of today’s top 100 fighters permanently reside on American shores (with a lot of the men included in my list actually born there), then it’s a tad silly for someone (like the person who created this thread) to wrongfully claim that it’s “officially game over for USA in pro boxing” when their top welterweights eventually relinquish dominance over the welterweight division.
The USA will continue being boxing’s home, simply because that country stages the vast majority of marquee bouts and most top-tier world-rated fighters live there.
I provided the names of 52 US-based fighters. This means they were either born in that country, have acquired citizenship or they permanently reside there.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 18:27 lol what are you talking about gil? Of course Rigo and GGG and Kovalev and Dorticos and Usyk etc are American fighters
doesnt Canelo train in San Diego now too?
lol what are you on about kiddo, you think that was about you or something? i was joking around with gil, i just skimmed your post my man and didnt take it any more seriously than that, thanks for the effort though if that makes you feel betterEnlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 19:01I provided the names of 52 US-based fighters. This means they were either born in that country, have acquired citizenship or they permanently reside there.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 18:27 lol what are you talking about gil? Of course Rigo and GGG and Kovalev and Dorticos and Usyk etc are American fighters
doesnt Canelo train in San Diego now too?
Are you seriously pretending that the likes of Guillermo Rigondeaux, Gennadiy Golovkin, Yuniel Dorticos, Oleksandr Usyk and Sergey Kovalev don’t somehow fit into one of those three categories?
Please tell the forum that I’m talking utter nonsense and that aforementioned fighters actually live elsewhere?
Because it seems you know more about where their homes are located than the fighters themselves.
Come on kid, I'm really looking forward to you pretending that all these guys aren't US-based!
They're American based fighters. I think I mentioned this on an earlier post. They're all permanent full-time residents of the US.gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 18:15I didn't say they weren't American Citizens, but I don't think they'd necessarily be thought of as American Fighters seeing as how the majority of their skills were surely honed in the Countries of their Origin.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 10:01From a commercial perspective, the USA continues to be boxing “home”, which explains the reason why so many (if not most) fighters and their families (especially those from poorer countries) choose to permanently reside there.
If you firmly believe that immigrants that lawfully achieve permanent residence in the US cannot be considered as being American citizens (or permanently US-based), then that your prerogative.
Regardless, when you consider the fact that more than half of today’s top 100 fighters permanently reside on American shores (with a lot of the men included in my list actually born there), then it’s a tad silly for someone (like the person who created this thread) to wrongfully claim that it’s “officially game over for USA in pro boxing” when their top welterweights eventually relinquish dominance over the welterweight division.
The USA will continue being boxing’s home, simply because that country stages the vast majority of marquee bouts and most top-tier world-rated fighters live there.
Rigondeaux for instance was a 2x Olympic Gold Medalist before ever coming here. I think it's safe to say he'd learned a great deal of the skills that took him to the top before he lived here.
154 is on the verge of being another division lost by the yanks its inevitable. Castano just won a title and us god. Tszyu and Mdrimov are very close to title shots, Murtazaliev is mandatory, etc. Theres ton of top amateuts on the come ip there like Sadriddin Akhmedov. Theres only Jermell left. That division is changing very soon.1okstcsb wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 01:56They Will Keep Coming, We also have the best at 154, 160, and THEE 4 best at 135, the Only Eastern European, British that would have any chance of beating any of the big 4 (Tank, T. Lopez, D. Haney and R. Garcia) is LomachenkoGoodz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 20:54 Seems like all americans talk about is 147. it's the sole focus for them. Because it's the last division that hasn't been taken over by Eastern Europeans/Brits/others. Once they lose that, are yank fighters gonna be non existent at the top level of pro boxing the way they have been in amateur boxing for ages now. Feels like it's going that way
147 is good we have Jaron Ennis and Vergil Ortiz coming for titles in about 2 years and they are very young