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candyslim wrote: ↑20 Mar 2021, 12:19 No change. Rivas' win saves him from being ejected basis inactivity, but it's not a good enough win to save him from giving way to the next unranked fighter who gets a win that justifes a place in the top 15.

Sorry Oog but you can't leave 15th place vacant, that's just silly. The only way that makes sense is if there were only 14 eligible fighters instead of over a thousand.

I accept it might not be obvious who to promote but that's why rankings are subjective.

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Mar 2021, 15:36 I still can't see how you can leave it vacant. We aren't waiting for a title fight to determine who wears the crown, this is just one very ordinary placing. If we suddenly decided to expand the Boxrec Forum HW Ranking to Top 20 you wouldn't present your personal top 20 for consideration, showing 15 as vacant would you?

Incidentally Oogie, nothing to do with boxing but do you mind my asking, 'did you have to pay for your inoculation?' I say inoculation because I thought "jab" might be confusing

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Mar 2021, 12:19 No change. Rivas' win saves him from being ejected basis inactivity, but it's not a good enough win to save him from giving way to the next unranked fighter who gets a win that justifes a place in the top 15.

Sorry Oog but you can't leave 15th place vacant, that's just silly. The only way that makes sense is if there were only 14 eligible fighters instead of over a thousand.

I accept it might not be obvious who to promote but that's why rankings are subjective.

Finkel wrote: ↑20 Mar 2021, 19:54

candyslim wrote: ↑20 Mar 2021, 12:19 No change. Rivas' win saves him from being ejected basis inactivity, but it's not a good enough win to save him from giving way to the next unranked fighter who gets a win that justifes a place in the top 15.

Sorry Oog but you can't leave 15th place vacant, that's just silly. The only way that makes sense is if there were only 14 eligible fighters instead of over a thousand.

I accept it might not be obvious who to promote but that's why rankings are subjective.

As you guys are discussing this, just thought I'd point our, that your reasoning doesn't actually match your vote.

No change = leaving Rivas at 14
which means Wallin would be pushed out the rankings by the next top 15 fighter, not Rivas...

Again, it's your vote, if you want Rivas at 14, that's all good. But he won't be pushed out anytime soon.
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Wallin has earned his place in the top 15 with a recent and respectable win over Breazeale so his place is not under imminent threat. If you rate purely on who you think is the better fighter then for me it's Rivas, which is why I have him above Wallin, but there is also the question "What has he done lately?" Arguably Rivas should have been dropped due to inactivity, but the time to do that is not when he has a fight commitment lined up. It was a relatively weak opponent though so it doesn't provide a satisfactory answer that question and doesn't remove him from the firing line.

If Yoka had beaten say, Carlos Takam instead of Djeko, I would have voted to promote him into the top 15 along with Wallin, with Kabayel and Rivas losing their place. I don't see it as illogical that Rivas can be ranked ahead of Wallin based on ability / achievement while being next up for the guillotine as a result of not doing much recently, although I can understand why some would insist the lowest ranked has to make way.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Mar 2021, 15:23 Sorry for any confusion - I screwed up the quotes in that post above.

oogiebe wrote: ↑22 Mar 2021, 16:45

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Mar 2021, 15:23 Sorry for any confusion - I screwed up the quotes in that post above.

You can fix it, you know.

Cap wrote: ↑22 Mar 2021, 16:53 Rivas is a good fighter considering the overall state of the division. Most positions could be decided with a roll of the dice.