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Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 06:35
by Ruthless-RKO
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By Anson Wainwright

At 7-feet tall and 320-pounds, Nikolay Valuev is the largest person to win a boxing world title. The Russian behemoth twice held the WBA heavyweight title in the mid-to-late 2000s.

Valuev (50-2, 34 knockouts) was born in Saint Petersburg, Russia, on August 21, 1973. He grew up the only child of a working-class family. Both his parents worked at a factory.

“At that point in the Soviet Union most people were equal,” Valuev told The Ring, through Max Alperovich. “I grew up in a blue-collar neighborhood. My parents played a tremendous part in my upbringing—my philosophy of life. I’m really, really grateful to my parents.

“I am still a citizen of Leningrad. When the Soviet Union broke up, it became Saint Petersburg. The city changed, but I’m still old-school mentality.”


Valuev tried several different pursuits in his formative years before arriving at boxing.

“I started in athletics as a discus thrower, I hold very high accolades in that,” he explained. “Then I tried basketball for a couple of years. When the Soviet Union broke up, I was forced to take several difficult jobs, as a waiter, farmer etc.

“I came into boxing when I was 20 years old and boxing saved my life.”


Valuev, who wears a U.S. size 18 shoe, had in the region of 15 amateur fights and turned professional in Germany in October 1993. He fought twice more in Russia, before switching back to amateur boxing and going to the Goodwill Games the following summer, where he lost to compatriot and eventual gold medal winner Alexey Lezin, in the quarterfinals, on a countback decision.

“The Russian Giant” went back to the professional ranks and stayed unbeaten, but his career lacked direction.

“I had about 30 fights all over the world,” said Valuev, who fought in Japan, Czech Republic, South Korea and Belarus. “At one point, I signed a contract with Sauerland and that’s when my career became a little more targeted toward the world titles. I was already ranked by most of the sanctioning bodies, but when I signed the contract that’s when the road to the title started.”

Having finally found a home in Germany with the Sauerland’s, he worked his way into position to face WBA titleholder John Ruiz in December 2005.

It was a close fight, but Valuev was able to edge matters by a hard-fought 12-round majority decision.

“When my hand was raised against Ruiz, it was the feeling of dreams coming true,” he said. “It was my goal in life, I made my dream come true.

“I had a very hard path to winning the title, because I started pretty late and had to endure a lot of injuries.”


The Russian made three successful defenses turning back the challenges of Owen Beck (TKO 3), Monte Barrett (TKO 11) and Jameel McCline (RTD 3), before he was dethroned by the much smaller, but skilled, Ruslan Chagaev by majority decision in April 2007.

Valuev rebounded to outpoint Jean Francois Bergeron, and then Siarhei Liakhovich in a WBA eliminator. Valuev had a rematch with Ruiz for the vacant WBA title. Again, Valuev beat Ruiz, this time by unanimous decision.

Valuev met aging, but legendary former four-time heavyweight titleholder Evander Holyfield in Zurich, Switzerland. Although in his mid-40s, Holyfield was still extremely competitive, and some thought he did enough to win, but Valuev ultimately was awarded the 12-round majority decision.

Valuev and Chagaev were scheduled to meet in a rematch in Helsinki, Finland, in May 2009. However, the fight was cancelled after the weight-in, because Chagaev failed the medical due to Hepatitis. Curiously, weeks later, Chagaev stepped in to face Wladimir Klitschko.

In November 2009, Valuev met David Haye in Hamburg, Germany. Despite outweighing the Brit by some 99-pounds, Valuev dropped a majority-decision.

He debated returning, but for myriad reasons walked away.

“I was supposed to fight Vitali Klitschko a couple of times,” Valuev explained. “I was in camp and both camps fell through. I was offered a very insulting sum of money to fight both times. The fights never happened. I was very disappointed having gone through several camps.

“Finally, all the injuries I endured required many surgeries. I also discovered I had a genetic disease (Gigantism and Acromegaly) and had to have surgery for that as well. And then I finally decided to hang up the gloves.

“Everything is great at the moment; everything has been fixed and is under control.”


Valuev, now 47, is married and has three children. He still lives in St. Petersburg. He is extremely busy, working on several projects, notably as a presenter for the popular Children’s TV show “Good Night, Little Ones!” He also commentates on boxing for Ren TV and represents the BryanskaYa Oblast party in Government and is currently serving his second term.

He graciously took time to speak to The Ring about the best he fought in 10 key categories.

BEST JAB
Larry Donald: The jab was one of his primary weapons. He did it better than anyone else I faced.

BEST DEFENSE
Ruslan Chagaev: Ruslan Chagaev for sure. A somewhat slick southpaw. There was a big difference in size, because he was a lot smaller it was difficult to land.

FASTEST HANDS
David Haye: He was more of a true cruiserweight than heavyweight and he was a lot faster than anyone else.

BEST FOOTWORK
Donald: Larry Donald had the best footwork. There was a Ukrainian opponent, Taras Bidenko. I would say Donald.

BEST CHIN
John Ruiz: I can’t recollect anyone in particular. If I hit somebody flush, they would fold. The only opponents who took the punches well were the ones who rolled with the punches. Most durable, take the intensity, probably Ruiz.

SMARTEST
Evander Holyfield: The guys with good I.Q. were the guys I lost to, Chagaev and David Haye. Holyfield had the best ring I.Q, although at the time when I fought him, he was significantly older.

STRONGEST
Jameel McCline: He twisted his knee, but he had a lot of raw power and strength.

BEST PUNCHER
Holyfield: He was one of my toughest fights. He kept hitting me to the ribs and fractured one of the ribs. I couldn’t breathe properly for a month. It was very unorthodox, it was a punch up close, where he kept throwing hooks on the inside. It was very hard to defend against.

BOXING SKILLS
Donald: Larry Donald was very classy all-round.

BEST OVERALL
Holyfield: His ability to fight up close and he was able to continuously land those punches to the ribs.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 08:02
by DrDuke
All picked fighters, except McCline, won Valuev or arguably lost to him. Should have picked Ruiz instead of McCline too, cause the huggin' man proved to be strong enough to carry Valuev for 24 rounds.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 09:06
by Cyclops
I remember the Vitali fight falling through because Valuev wanted $4,000,000 and the Klitschko's scoffing at this. Look at how much heavyweights get paid today. AND he was managed by Don King! I wonder how much he would have made after King had taken his cut?

The Klitschko brothers were bastards, really. Vitali was significantly taller than most of his opposition, so Valuev would have been an interesting spectacle.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 09:18
by DrDuke
Cyclops wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:06 I remember the Vitali fight falling through because Valuev wanted $4,000,000 and the Klitschko's scoffing at this. Look at how much heavyweights get paid today. AND he was managed by Don King! I wonder how much he would have made after King had taken his cut?

The Klitschko brothers were bastards, really. Vitali was significantly taller than most of his opposition, so Valuev would have been an interesting spectacle.
Vitali would whoop Valuev.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 09:22
by Ruthless-RKO
DrDuke wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:18
Cyclops wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:06 I remember the Vitali fight falling through because Valuev wanted $4,000,000 and the Klitschko's scoffing at this. Look at how much heavyweights get paid today. AND he was managed by Don King! I wonder how much he would have made after King had taken his cut?

The Klitschko brothers were bastards, really. Vitali was significantly taller than most of his opposition, so Valuev would have been an interesting spectacle.
Vitali would whoop Valuev.
Yeh, he would have.

Valuev should have more than 2 losses on his record.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 24 Mar 2021, 09:45
by DrDuke
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:22
DrDuke wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:18
Cyclops wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:06 I remember the Vitali fight falling through because Valuev wanted $4,000,000 and the Klitschko's scoffing at this. Look at how much heavyweights get paid today. AND he was managed by Don King! I wonder how much he would have made after King had taken his cut?

The Klitschko brothers were bastards, really. Vitali was significantly taller than most of his opposition, so Valuev would have been an interesting spectacle.
Vitali would whoop Valuev.
Yeh, he would have.

Valuev should have more than 2 losses on his record.
Bidenko, Donald, Ruiz X2, Holyfield - all could have easily be scored otherwise.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 04:11
by Cyclops
DrDuke wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:18
Cyclops wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:06 I remember the Vitali fight falling through because Valuev wanted $4,000,000 and the Klitschko's scoffing at this. Look at how much heavyweights get paid today. AND he was managed by Don King! I wonder how much he would have made after King had taken his cut?

The Klitschko brothers were bastards, really. Vitali was significantly taller than most of his opposition, so Valuev would have been an interesting spectacle.
Vitali would whoop Valuev.
I didn't say Valuev would win.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 15:42
by Bodyshot3
Another interesting one Ruthless :salut:

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 15:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Bodyshot3 wrote: 25 Mar 2021, 15:42 Another interesting one Ruthless :salut:
🤛

Thanks

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 16:42
by margaret thatcher
i think the final offer to valuev was 2m after 1m and 1.2m offrs, i imagine that was still a good payday for valuev but it was around what a lot of the klit rando mandatories got, and i think valuev was prob big enough name in germany to command more for a fight like that

its pretty clear vit didnt want to fight valuev very much, though pretty sure vit wouldve easily won every round, the fight itself had little interest to me other than some freak show novelty of vit with a much taller guy

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 21:05
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Larry the legend!

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 13:27
by Caractacus
in what round di Holyfield fracture Valuev's rib ?
and he still won the fight ? ,wow !

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 13:33
by margaret thatcher
Caractacus wrote: 26 Mar 2021, 13:27 in what round di Holyfield fracture Valuev's rib ?
and he still won the fight ? ,wow !
omg big niko was amazing ! what bravery and will :oo

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 13:41
by Syntax Error
Imagine what the 'real' Holyfield would have done to Valuev, as opposed to the 88 year old one?

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 13:42
by Onetimeonly
What an indictment of that trash era that Larry Donald is so prominent and holy, granted a top 8 all time heavy at a minimum, was the best he faced closer to 50 than 40.

Vitali would have beat him 12-0, another indictment that it would be big klits best win by a wide margin.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 26 Mar 2021, 21:36
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
DrDuke wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:45
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:22
DrDuke wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:18

Vitali would whoop Valuev.
Yeh, he would have.

Valuev should have more than 2 losses on his record.
Bidenko, Donald, Ruiz X2, Holyfield - all could have easily be scored otherwise.


- And you easily the worst combination of dishonest and stupid that can be had.

IBF and WBA belt belonged to DKing who purchased them from the damnable Lewis who never defended his lineal title.

Unlicensed Field was a Barnum & Bailey cadaver exhibition that King passed around paying him peanuts. Niko losses were as orchestrated when Haye and Chagaev fled for their lives as the agromegly slowed him down.

Wet blankets and squawking chickens ain't supposed to win fights any more than dancing cadavers.

Niko a higher order intelligence now holding a seat in government with a popular kid's show gives a generous assessment of the fighters he fought to Anson as perhaps the most internationally travelled heavy of his era while being promoted as a freak show.

What was you lesser apes doing during that period besides aping each other?

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 02:05
by DrDuke
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: 26 Mar 2021, 21:36
DrDuke wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:45
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Mar 2021, 09:22

Yeh, he would have.

Valuev should have more than 2 losses on his record.
Bidenko, Donald, Ruiz X2, Holyfield - all could have easily be scored otherwise.


- And you easily the worst combination of dishonest and stupid that can be had.

IBF and WBA belt belonged to DKing who purchased them from the damnable Lewis who never defended his lineal title.

Unlicensed Field was a Barnum & Bailey cadaver exhibition that King passed around paying him peanuts. Niko losses were as orchestrated when Haye and Chagaev fled for their lives as the agromegly slowed him down.

Wet blankets and squawking chickens ain't supposed to win fights any more than dancing cadavers.

Niko a higher order intelligence now holding a seat in government with a popular kid's show gives a generous assessment of the fighters he fought to Anson as perhaps the most internationally travelled heavy of his era while being promoted as a freak show.

What was you lesser apes doing during that period besides aping each other?
Your trolling attempts are more and more crippled every time, bruh.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 28 Mar 2021, 06:58
by JC
I always wondered if Wlad would had been able to put any kind of dent in Valuev.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 28 Mar 2021, 14:38
by DrDuke
J-C wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 06:58 I always wondered if Wlad would had been able to put any kind of dent in Valuev.
Probably he could. Haye wobbled the big dosser well. Wlad would land much more. It could have been a KO, at least technical.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 28 Mar 2021, 20:21
by Cyclops
margaret thatcher wrote: 25 Mar 2021, 16:42 i think the final offer to valuev was 2m after 1m and 1.2m offrs, i imagine that was still a good payday for valuev but it was around what a lot of the klit rando mandatories got, and i think valuev was prob big enough name in germany to command more for a fight like that

its pretty clear vit didnt want to fight valuev very much, though pretty sure vit wouldve easily won every round, the fight itself had little interest to me other than some freak show novelty of vit with a much taller guy
See the thing is, people are still talking about Valuev now, and he was top 4 in a shocking era. Nobody is talking about Albert Sownowski or Juan Carlos Gomez and even though big bro did take on (at the time) legit contenders like Arreola and Adamek, both were light heavyweights at one point (Arreola as an am and Adamek as a pro) and he was always significantly bigger than his opponents, apart from Lennox obviously who beat him. Adamek for instance was like a Dad beating his teenage son. I showed it to a Polish friend and she cringed when she saw the size difference and what Adamak was up against.

Valuev was more than just a freak show: even when he was beaten who looked good doing it? A definitive win or stoppage over that massive unit would have and should have been a good scalp. The Klitschko bros definitely low balled him. People would have watched it. I don't see why neither brother fought him. He deserved more than he was offered.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 29 Mar 2021, 03:19
by DrDuke
Cyclops wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 20:21 Valuev was more than just a freak show: even when he was beaten who looked good doing it? A definitive win or stoppage over that massive unit would have and should have been a good scalp. The Klitschko bros definitely low balled him. People would have watched it. I don't see why neither brother fought him. He deserved more than he was offered.
He got more than he deserved. On paper he's quite solid, 2X WBA champ, several title holders beaten. But in reality he was a protected circus tallman.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 29 Mar 2021, 11:58
by Caractacus
was Valuev ever knocked down ?
( or even have known to have slipped to the canvas ?)
so what "David Haye" had "wobbled" him for half a second.
and Max Kllerman or whoever was calling that fight almost sounded like they had "creamed" their shorts when that happened
Big Deal !

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 29 Mar 2021, 12:15
by Ruthless-RKO
Caractacus wrote: 29 Mar 2021, 11:58 was Valuev ever knocked down ?
( or even have known to have slipped to the canvas ?)
so "David Haye" had "wobbled" him for half a second.
Big Deal !
Almost down vs Jean-Francois Bergeron..

Ruiz knocked him down, but was not ruled a KD. Second fight. RD2.

About a minute into the round.. He never actually even fell to the floor.

Valuev's Promoter Responds To Ruiz's Accusations

Ruiz protesting Valuev decision


Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 29 Mar 2021, 12:32
by Cyclops
DrDuke wrote: 29 Mar 2021, 03:19
Cyclops wrote: 28 Mar 2021, 20:21 Valuev was more than just a freak show: even when he was beaten who looked good doing it? A definitive win or stoppage over that massive unit would have and should have been a good scalp. The Klitschko bros definitely low balled him. People would have watched it. I don't see why neither brother fought him. He deserved more than he was offered.
He got more than he deserved. On paper he's quite solid, 2X WBA champ, several title holders beaten. But in reality he was a protected circus tallman.
Out of interest, how much did he get paid for his fight with David Haye? I've just had a look and couldn't find anything.

Re: Best I Faced: Nikolay Valuev

Posted: 29 Mar 2021, 12:47
by Caractacus
"almost" ? where ?