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Wilder has won his arbitration and seems to be in line to fight Fury by September. AJ/Fury off?

Maybe he just wanted some step aside monies.

ESPN:

A day after Tyson Fury tweeted that his heavyweight unification fight with Anthony Joshua was "100 percent on" for Aug. 14 in Saudi Arabia, an arbitrator ruled Monday that Fury must face Deontay Wilder in a rematch by Sept. 15, ESPN has learned.

In granting Wilder's injunction, former federal judge Daniel Weinstein declined to award Wilder -- who initiated the action -- any monetary damages and allowed for the possibility that Fury and Wilder could agree to an extension.

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Such an extension would involve a hefty step-aside fee for Wilder, likely coming from the record-breaking, $155 million site fee negotiated for the Aug. 14 fight with Joshua in Saudi Arabia.

If not, Wilder and Fury would likely fight this summer in Las Vegas, as Weinstein's ruling calls for the rematch to take place at a mutually agreeable time and place. Just last week, Fury's American promoter, Bob Arum, said he had reserved Allegiant Stadium for July 24 for the rematch, in the event that Fury-Joshua negotiations broke down.

Neither Fury nor Wilder have fought since meeting Feb. 22, 2020, when Fury shocked the world by dominating the formerly undefeated Wilder before his corner threw in the towel in the seventh round.

In the ensuing fallout, Wilder fired longtime coach and former world champion, Mark Breland. Wilder -- long thought to have one of the most powerful right hands in the history of the heavyweight division -- also attributed his loss to the weight of his prefight costume and seemingly bizarre theories concerning Fury's gloves. Fury's gloves were inspected fully by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

The award follows months of litigation and four days of testimony, including from Fury and Wilder.

Arum was unavailable for comment. Wilder's manager, Shelly Finkel, said he was unable to comment.

haterz gonna hate on deontay

Hilarious tbh... How was this situation not put to bed before arranging a deal that was worth circa $¼bil+?

Wilder now going to ask for $50mil, surely, after Eddie has repeatedly told us what the site fee is.

Complete comedy. And that's ignoring just how many mandatory bouts are starting to stack up as well the window for this bout is now... And it needs to be sorted, financially, with Wilder quickly or it's dead in the water.

Smashing legal victory for Deontay.

The man had a contract. Pay him.

does this make the series 1-1-1 now?

bobcatbox wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:23 Smashing legal victory for Deontay.

The man had a contract. Pay him.

what would you rather see

wilder wins the legal case (happened)

vs

aj-fury happens

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:41

bobcatbox wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:23 Smashing legal victory for Deontay.

The man had a contract. Pay him.

what would you rather see

wilder wins the legal case (happened)

vs

aj-fury happens

The two are not mutually exclusive. Would love to see Aj vs Fury and Wilder gets paid a reasonable sum of money for temporarily passing on his enforcement of the contract. I don’t want to see Wilder railroaded in this that’s not fair.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 22:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:41

bobcatbox wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:23 Smashing legal victory for Deontay.

The man had a contract. Pay him.

what would you rather see

wilder wins the legal case (happened)

vs

aj-fury happens

The two are not mutually exclusive. Would love to see Aj vs Fury and Wilder gets paid a reasonable sum of money for temporarily passing on his enforcement of the contract. I don’t want to see Wilder railroaded in this that’s not fair.

let's say this wilder legal win means we never get aj-fury, is it still a good thing we should celebrate

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 22:51

bobcatbox wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 22:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 21:41

what would you rather see

wilder wins the legal case (happened)

vs

aj-fury happens

The two are not mutually exclusive. Would love to see Aj vs Fury and Wilder gets paid a reasonable sum of money for temporarily passing on his enforcement of the contract. I don’t want to see Wilder railroaded in this that’s not fair.

let's say this wilder legal win means we never get aj-fury, is it still a good thing we should celebrate

I am not celebrating it. However, I can’t blame Team Wilder for protecting their interests.

Team Fury just decided they would try to cut Wilder and the UK public out of the equation by cashing in with AJ in Saudi Arabia. That pisses me off on multiple levels.

Now Fury will have to fork over big time step aside cash to Wilder or fulfill the contract as arbitrated. I would prefer the former, since the absolute monarchy can certainly afford it.

Completely infuriating.

Mediation -> Arbitration -> Litigation

The written decision will disclose the legal scope of the arbitration and potential next steps.

Here are the options:

• Team Fury fights Wilder for a third time
• Team Fury refuses the rematch and agrees to pay damages
• Team Fury negotiate a compromise, whereby Wilder is paid a step-aside fee, coupled with a promise he'll face the winner of the Joshua-Fury bout
• Team Fury legally appeals the arbitration decision

Of the four options, Team Fury will probably favour the fourth one.

I’m not sure if Wilder's handlers really want the third fight with Fury, because one of the reasons the rematch kept getting pushed back in the first place, was the fact they were struggling to find a commercially viable fight-date and also a venue capable of generating sufficient demand to fund the purses of both fighters.

And here’s the reason for this theory:

• I’d read that the Fury-Wilder II PPV event achieved a buy-rate that was slightly more than 750K, with the total combined guaranteed purse pot being $50m.

• The PPV in the US was priced between $70 and $80, depending on whether the event was viewed in HD or not. This equates to the total PPV revenue that was generated in the region of $52m to $60m.

• And if 50% to 60% of the gross PPV revenue figure is retained by the various cable and satellite distributors, the Wilder-Fury rematch might have incurred losses, because the guaranteed purses were too big.

And the dates for the third Wilder-Fury bout kept getting pushed back due to commercial reasons. And I feel those reasons would have existed regardless the impact of the global pandemic, based on the financial figures generated by the second fight.

Let’s be perfectly honest, Wilder-Fury III won’t generate anywhere near the numbers of their second fight.

Therefore, I feel Team Wilder's real goal here is to seek a massive payout (damages or step-aside fee).

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 03:45 Let’s be perfectly honest, Wilder-Fury III won’t generate anywhere near the numbers of their second fight.

Nah, it will do OK. The first two were very watchable.
What else is going on in the HW division, Charr Lovejoy ll?

Annoyingly but it has been in clear sight for some time. Fury/Joshua really looked like a mirage more than a match-up in the desert.

Hopefully Wilder will agree to take a reasonable step-aside, and a promise for the next crack at whatever titles are still held by the winner. I don't imagine Joshua would object to being party to such an agreement, he'd probably relish the chance to get his fists on Wilder.

FURY can fight WILDER next. AJ can fight USYK next---then the 2 winners can meet for the undisputed title. should be excellent !

Fury should just stop him again next month as a warm-up, then stop Joshua in August.

dickbelden wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:10 FURY can fight WILDER next. AJ can fight USYK next---then the 2 winners can meet for the undisputed title. should be excellent !

WOW!! Someone thinking logically about reasonable options.

You must not actually be involved in the industry.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 05:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 03:45 Let’s be perfectly honest, Wilder-Fury III won’t generate anywhere near the numbers of their second fight.

Nah, it will do OK. The first two were very watchable.

Fury beat Wilder twice. The second fight was a one-sided mismatch.

Sadists or schadenfreudes might watch it though.

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:15

dickbelden wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:10 FURY can fight WILDER next. AJ can fight USYK next---then the 2 winners can meet for the undisputed title. should be excellent !

WOW!! Someone thinking logically about reasonable options.

You must not actually be involved in the industry.

Does Wilder deserve a rematch?

Has Usyk achieved enough at heavyweight to warrant a world title shot?

Should fighters like Dillian Whyte continue being ignored?

Apologies if my questions portray myself as being illogical.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:30

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 05:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 03:45 Let’s be perfectly honest, Wilder-Fury III won’t generate anywhere near the numbers of their second fight.

Nah, it will do OK. The first two were very watchable.

Fury beat Wilder twice. The second fight was a one-sided mismatch.

Sadists or schadenfreudes might watch it though.

No, Fury did not beat Wilder twice. He barely survived the first fight, which got him a draw.

Whether or not he should be fighting Wilder again is not the question. The question...why did they sign a contract to rematch Wilder?

The second question is whether the decision on the litigation is the result of binding arbitration (in which case it cannot be appealed)?

Everyone would rather see AJ v Fury. That does not have any influence over the arbitrator’s decision on the contractual agreement.

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:47Whether or not he should be fighting Wilder again is not the question.

From a commercial and a fight fan perspective, Fury-Wilder III won't be anywhere near as big, fiscally-speaking, than their previous affairs.

Fury beat Wilder twice. And dominated him during their second bout.

An expired contract is holding the WBC title hostage and also holding up the entire heavyweight division.

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:47The question...why did they sign a contract to rematch Wilder?

The immediate rematch clause was indeed in a contract that Fury signed.

Fury was willing to participate in the rematch, which was postponed at least four times.

For sure, the pandemic caused delays, but when boxing resumed and promoters were staging events again, they still couldn't stage the fight (partially due to an injury Wilder suffered).

Anyway, it's a moot point, because Bob Arum claims the Fury-Wilder rematch is taking part on the 24th July. It's probably quicker and cheaper to make the loss-making fight than to resort to litigation.

And to be perfectly honest, I hope the event is a commercial disaster.

I don't feel that Wilder deserves the Fury rematch. I don't feel that Usyk deserves his shot at Joshua.

However, I do feel that fighters like Dillian Whyte deserve to receive title shots,

If my opinion is illogical, then so be it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 09:02

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:47Whether or not he should be fighting Wilder again is not the question.

From a commercial and a fight fan perspective, Fury-Wilder III won't be anywhere near as big, fiscally-speaking, than their previous affairs.

Fury beat Wilder twice. And dominated him during their second bout.

An expired contract is holding the WBC title hostage and also holding up the entire heavyweight division.

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:47The question...why did they sign a contract to rematch Wilder?

The immediate rematch clause was indeed in a contract that Fury signed.

Fury was willing to participate in the rematch, which was postponed at least four times.

For sure, the pandemic caused delays, but when boxing resumed and promoters were staging events again, they still couldn't stage the fight (partially due to an injury Wilder suffered).

Anyway, it's a moot point, because Bob Arum claims the Fury-Wilder rematch is taking part on the 24th July.

And to be perfectly honest, I hope the event is a commercial disaster.

I don't feel that Wilder deserves the Fury rematch. I don't feel that Usyk deserves his shot at Joshua.

However, I do feel that fighters like Dillian Whyte deserve to receive title shots,

If my opinion is illogical, then so be it.

What you or I feeeeel has nothing to do with what the decision in the binding arbitration mandates.

And you cannot change the outcome of the first fight, which is a draw. I thought Wilder edged it, but that also does not change the reality of the result.

Fury v Wilder III will be a success, if it actually happens. Given Fury’s activity in Vegas recently, the odds are good that it is happening.

For the record, I would rather have AJ and Fury settle it, wherever, and Wilder face Whyte or Usyk in Vegas.

Most importantly, there is a great unification fight going on in Vegas this weekend with historic implications; the kind of fight I follow boxing for; Taylor v Ramirez.

Guess who will be front and center for photo ops and interviews at that fight?

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 09:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 09:02

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:47Whether or not he should be fighting Wilder again is not the question.

From a commercial and a fight fan perspective, Fury-Wilder III won't be anywhere near as big, fiscally-speaking, than their previous affairs.

Fury beat Wilder twice. And dominated him during their second bout.

An expired contract is holding the WBC title hostage and also holding up the entire heavyweight division.

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:47The question...why did they sign a contract to rematch Wilder?

The immediate rematch clause was indeed in a contract that Fury signed.

Fury was willing to participate in the rematch, which was postponed at least four times.

For sure, the pandemic caused delays, but when boxing resumed and promoters were staging events again, they still couldn't stage the fight (partially due to an injury Wilder suffered).

Anyway, it's a moot point, because Bob Arum claims the Fury-Wilder rematch is taking part on the 24th July.

And to be perfectly honest, I hope the event is a commercial disaster.

I don't feel that Wilder deserves the Fury rematch. I don't feel that Usyk deserves his shot at Joshua.

However, I do feel that fighters like Dillian Whyte deserve to receive title shots,

If my opinion is illogical, then so be it.

What you or I feeeeel has nothing to do with what the decision in the binding arbitration mandates.

And you cannot change the outcome of the first fight, which is a draw. I thought Wilder edged it, but that also does not change the reality of the result.

Fury v Wilder III will be a success, if it actually happens. Given Fury’s activity in Vegas recently, the odds are good that it is happening.

For the record, I would rather have AJ and Fury settle it, wherever, and Wilder face Whyte or Usyk in Vegas.

Most importantly, there is a great unification fight going on in Vegas this weekend with historic implications; the kind of fight I follow boxing for; Taylor v Ramirez.

Guess who will be front and center for photo ops and interviews at that fight?

This is a forum to discuss boxing.

What WE both feeeeel is perfectly relevant in the context of this discussion thread.

I'm entitled to express my displeasure about contracts taking priority over the sport itself.

I am not refuting the technical worthiness of the outcome of the arbitration, since there is no written legal paperwork in the public domain for me to evaluate the merit of Wilder's legal argument.

However, Fury beat Wilder twice. The Brit destroyed Deontay in the rematch. So from both a sporting and also a commercial perspective, there is no need for the rematch.

On a separate note, in terms of you attending Taylor v Ramirez, I'm seriously jealous! Enjoy!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 09:56

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 09:37

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 09:02
From a commercial and a fight fan perspective, Fury-Wilder III won't be anywhere near as big, fiscally-speaking, than their previous affairs.

Fury beat Wilder twice. And dominated him during their second bout.

An expired contract is holding the WBC title hostage and also holding up the entire heavyweight division.

The immediate rematch clause was indeed in a contract that Fury signed.

Fury was willing to participate in the rematch, which was postponed at least four times.

For sure, the pandemic caused delays, but when boxing resumed and promoters were staging events again, they still couldn't stage the fight (partially due to an injury Wilder suffered).

Anyway, it's a moot point, because Bob Arum claims the Fury-Wilder rematch is taking part on the 24th July.

And to be perfectly honest, I hope the event is a commercial disaster.

I don't feel that Wilder deserves the Fury rematch. I don't feel that Usyk deserves his shot at Joshua.

However, I do feel that fighters like Dillian Whyte deserve to receive title shots,

If my opinion is illogical, then so be it.

What you or I feeeeel has nothing to do with what the decision in the binding arbitration mandates.

And you cannot change the outcome of the first fight, which is a draw. I thought Wilder edged it, but that also does not change the reality of the result.

Fury v Wilder III will be a success, if it actually happens. Given Fury’s activity in Vegas recently, the odds are good that it is happening.

For the record, I would rather have AJ and Fury settle it, wherever, and Wilder face Whyte or Usyk in Vegas.

Most importantly, there is a great unification fight going on in Vegas this weekend with historic implications; the kind of fight I follow boxing for; Taylor v Ramirez.

Guess who will be front and center for photo ops and interviews at that fight?

This is a forum to discuss boxing.

What WE both feeeeel is perfectly relevant in the context of this discussion thread.

I'm entitled to express my displeasure about contracts taking priority over the sport itself.

I am not refuting the technical worthiness of the outcome of the arbitration, since there is no written legal paperwork in the public domain for me to evaluate the merit of Wilder's legal argument.

However, Fury beat Wilder twice. The Brit destroyed Deontay in the rematch. So from both a sporting and also a commercial perspective, there is no need for the rematch.

In terms of you attending Taylor v Ramirez, I'm seriously jealous!

“Feeeeeelings, nothing more than feeeeelings...” butt, butthurt feeeelings...

Legal decisions can do that.

You can keep repeating that the guy who refused to meaningfully engage for 11.5 rounds and got knocked on his ass twice won the first fight. It will not make it a reality.

The first fight was a draw, although I thought Wilder won.

I think Bob may be just trolling for a slice of AJ $$$ to help payoff Wilder.

Oh, and I did not mean to infer that I will be front and center at Ramirez v Taylor. I think that Fury and Wilder will be there, in all their splendor.