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let's say he retired today

3 division champ, unified lw champ

wins over gary russel jr, linares, pedraza, rigo, walters, roman martinez
losses to salido in 2nd fight, and teo
of his 16 fights, 14 have been title fights (12-2)

and a follow up.....to anyone saying he needs more fights, would his argument be any stronger if instead of being 14-2, he had 20 extra padded bum wins, and was 34-2 instead.

personally, i think if you say no to loma, you gotta say no to ggg too

Right now I pick "no", but he's pretty close to it. He gotta do a one other thing, that defines greatness, he should come back. If he wins Lopez and makes a couple of good defences, he'll be unquestionably great, HoF-worthy for me.

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 03:10 Right now I pick "no", but he's pretty close to it. He gotta do a one other thing, that defines greatness, he should come back. If he wins Lopez and makes a couple of good defences, he'll be unquestionably great, HoF-worthy for me.

do you say yes or no to ggg

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 03:18

DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 03:10 Right now I pick "no", but he's pretty close to it. He gotta do a one other thing, that defines greatness, he should come back. If he wins Lopez and makes a couple of good defences, he'll be unquestionably great, HoF-worthy for me.

do you say yes or no to ggg

Yes to GGG. He was a king of the comparably weak era, but eventually he won Canelo and had an either going affair against him. He looked better than Hopkins, who will be there soon.

Loma is a future Hall-of-Famer.

Batter up I don't think so dread

Loma looked slow on the attack
He looked slow and predictable.

Evander wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 03:45 Batter up I don't think so dread

what would he need to do for you to clinch it vander

BoxRec's all-time lightweight ratings has Loma at No. 40. Edwin Rosario is at No. 45 and Ken Buchanan is at No. 53. Both are in the hall of fame, but there are boxers rated higher than them who are not. If only peak ability was considered, then Loma gets inducted for sure. He probably will, but he will get inducted faster if he can win a rematch against Lopez.

You guys are cracked. On future question/polls regarding Boxing HOF worthiness, just change the choices from yes/no to yes/yes. Every boxer that is noteworthy enough to ask of their HOF status is actually IN now??!! Go on in Sir. Sure, I’ll park the car but you just have a wonderful night.

My only dream in this F’d up ridiculous world of Boxing is that someday, someone legitimate and to his heart, a rabid Boxing purist…they take a mop to the sport. Cleaning it up and turning it into a major sport that is as governed as American baseball, football and basketball. No idea why in 2021 the mob still controls Boxing. Anyone disputing that we are no further than we were in 1950 is dreaming.

I would say yes to HOF for Loma. besides being like 400-1 as amatuer which I don't know counts as HOF critrea 2 time olympic gold medalist, he was undefeated as pro for almost 5 years fighting some good fighters along the way.

Also Loma boxing style very unique , effective, and fun to watch...I have described Loma as the Michael Jordan of boxing some of lomas moves you just go wow, like when jordan used to do some of his dunks and drives ,,just an athletic marvel.

RScarf1 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 06:30 BoxRec's all-time lightweight ratings has Loma at No. 40. Edwin Rosario is at No. 45 and Ken Buchanan is at No. 53. Both are in the hall of fame, but there are boxers rated higher than them who are not. If only peak ability was considered, then Loma gets inducted for sure. He probably will, but he will get inducted faster if he can win a rematch against Lopez.

Vasyl Lomachenko:

• Olympic gold medallist (2008 & 2012)
• World Championship gold medallist (2009 & 2011)
• Allegedly possesses a 396-1 amateur record
• Thirteen victories from fifteen world title bouts
• Faced ten former, current world champions, defeating eight of them
• The RING & BWAA fighter of the year 2017
• A former three weight world champion (feather, super feather & lightweight)
• Considered the top-dog at featherweight by The RING during 2015
• Considered the top-dog at super featherweight by The RING between 2016 and 2017
• Considered the top-dog and champion by The RING at lightweight between 2018 and 2020
• A member of the top-ten pound-for-pound elite since 2016, and considered the best fighter on the planet during 2018

What more does Vasyl Lomachenko need to achieve to earn his induction into the IBHoF?

My question is: Why wouldn't he be?

No doubt about it. Unlike most fighters, he's had more significant fights than record fillers.

All the amateur accomplishments get him in.

JCS wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 12:18 All the amateur accomplishments get him in.

I'd say his Pro career on it's own merits would get him at this point, but he wouldn't have had the pro career he's had as fast as he had it without the Amateur pedigree.

Loma is already a boxing legend - none of this Rock and Roll hall of fame crap applies here.

He now fights well outside his size/weight class and more or less began his pro career at the very top.

The boxing world has seen nothing like him before, but thanks to the well documented training methods implemented by his father Anatoly we may see some more in the future.

Having a father who has been a decent boxer himself certainly seems to be an advantage in this game.

Unless of course they were an absolute boxing legend like Julio César Chávez. In those cases the bar seems to be set a little too high for any kid to jump.

I'd say a weak no. Beating a bunch of nobodies, losing to Teo. Beating Rigondoux who went up 3 divisions to take the fight. I realize that this does qualify for the regular hof but it doesn't for the requirements that I would make.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 14:34 I'd say a weak no. Beating a bunch of nobodies, losing to Teo. Beating Rigondoux who went up 3 divisions to take the fight. I realize that this does qualify for the regular hof but it doesn't for the requirements that I would make.

Let's take a look at these nobodies.

Jorge Linares, Gary Russell Jr, Rigondeaux, Luke Campbell, He retired the undefeated Nicholas Walters who had run through Nonito Donaire with ease. Donaire is still making waves now.

The win over Gary Russell was in Loma's 3rd pro fight. The win over Walters was in his 8th pro fight.

Those are the only losses those guys ever took.

Jose Pedraza is arguably Tank's best win to date. Loma beat him also.

Even most of his 2nd tier wins are very solid.

He's still only had 17 pro fights, and both of his losses were very competitive, and hardly embarrassing losses.

He ain't done yet either. I'd almost guarantee he's got more World Title wins in his future before he retires.

quality opposition and excellent career so far in spite of two losses...

His amateur career is enough, his professional one isn't.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 15:53 His amateur career is enough, his professional one isn't.

Yes it is, and his story ain't done being written.

I looked at the list of hall of fame members some are superior to him by a measure of 2 and many are less he fits..