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Thoughts?

2022 if Fury wins Vs Wilder
202never if Wilder wins Vs Fury

Wba wbo wbc ibf ibo ring boxrec #1 lineal champion, all of these are pretty meaningless. Even more meaningless is being a mandatory challenger from an abc at Hw when you have established multibelt champions that can always just dump 1 belt instead of fighting you.

These abcs are so pathetic.

wbc successive sr and jr presidents.
wba successive sr and jr presidents.
wbo is an offshoot from the wba that has however not yet gone the jr sr route but has had the same career man president since 1996.
Ibf another offshoot from the wba did a bit of the jr and sr thing with Robert W Lee and Robert Lee jr before going into their bribery scandal. Since then they have gone through 3 presidents with the latest being elected in 2018 on a non jr sr basis. Here we are talking about a US based organization that falls under federal oversight and doesn't do the jr sr family business thing.

In my opinion the way to rank these orgs according to credibility is:

IBF
and far behind it
WBO
and the other two simply do not matter.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:33 Wba wbo wbc ibf ibo ring boxrec #1 lineal champion, all of these are pretty meaningless. Even more meaningless is being a mandatory challenger from an abc at Hw when you have established multibelt champions that can always just dump 1 belt instead of fighting you.

These abcs are so pathetic.

wbc successive sr and jr presidents.
wba successive sr and jr presidents.
wbo is an offshoot from the wba that has however not yet gone the jr sr route but has had the same career man president since 1996.
Ibf another offshoot from the wba did a bit of the jr and sr thing with Robert W Lee and Robert Lee jr before going into their bribery scandal. Since then they have gone through 3 presidents with the latest being elected in 2018 on a non jr sr basis. Here we are talking about a US based organization that falls under federal oversight and doesn't do the jr sr family business thing.

In my opinion the way to rank these orgs according to credibility is:

IBF
and far behind it
WBO
and the other two simply do not matter.

Ever heard of Robert Lee?

money talks no one out side i would say hard core boxing people know who he is , no disrespect i think he is a decent boxer but the olympics are long gone and most fights on bt

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:37

H8Usernames wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:33 Wba wbo wbc ibf ibo ring boxrec #1 lineal champion, all of these are pretty meaningless. Even more meaningless is being a mandatory challenger from an abc at Hw when you have established multibelt champions that can always just dump 1 belt instead of fighting you.

These abcs are so pathetic.

wbc successive sr and jr presidents.
wba successive sr and jr presidents.
wbo is an offshoot from the wba that has however not yet gone the jr sr route but has had the same career man president since 1996.
Ibf another offshoot from the wba did a bit of the jr and sr thing with Robert W Lee and Robert Lee jr before going into their bribery scandal. Since then they have gone through 3 presidents with the latest being elected in 2018 on a non jr sr basis. Here we are talking about a US based organization that falls under federal oversight and doesn't do the jr sr family business thing.

In my opinion the way to rank these orgs according to credibility is:

IBF
and far behind it
WBO
and the other two simply do not matter.

Ever heard of Robert Lee?

You claim to be enlightened. Read what I wrote and then you will find the answer to your question.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:37

H8Usernames wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:33 Wba wbo wbc ibf ibo ring boxrec #1 lineal champion, all of these are pretty meaningless. Even more meaningless is being a mandatory challenger from an abc at Hw when you have established multibelt champions that can always just dump 1 belt instead of fighting you.

These abcs are so pathetic.

wbc successive sr and jr presidents.
wba successive sr and jr presidents.
wbo is an offshoot from the wba that has however not yet gone the jr sr route but has had the same career man president since 1996.
Ibf another offshoot from the wba did a bit of the jr and sr thing with Robert W Lee and Robert Lee jr before going into their bribery scandal. Since then they have gone through 3 presidents with the latest being elected in 2018 on a non jr sr basis. Here we are talking about a US based organization that falls under federal oversight and doesn't do the jr sr family business thing.

In my opinion the way to rank these orgs according to credibility is:

IBF
and far behind it
WBO
and the other two simply do not matter.

Ever heard of Robert Lee?

You claim to be enlightened. Read what I wrote and then you will find the answer to your question.

OK, missed that name.

So in addition to Don King and Top Rank bribing the IBF, as well as rigged rankings…

Tyson Fury-IBF title-Charles Martin?

Marvin Hagler, Winky Wright, Jermain Taylor and O’Neil Bell?

Roy Jones Jnr and Richard Hall?

Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson?

Azinga Fuzile and Shavkatdzhon Rakhimov?

IBF’s stance on drugs?

IBF’s ratings?

Joe Joyce officially becomes the next WBO mandatory challenger!

Thoughts?

if it's not pbc then who cares

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:55

H8Usernames wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jul 2021, 16:37
Ever heard of Robert Lee?

You claim to be enlightened. Read what I wrote and then you will find the answer to your question.

OK, missed that name.

So in addition to Don King and Top Rank bribing the IBF, as well as rigged rankings…

Tyson Fury-IBF title-Charles Martin?

Marvin Hagler, Winky Wright, Jermain Taylor and O’Neil Bell?

Roy Jones Jnr and Richard Hall?

Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson?

Azinga Fuzile and Shavkatdzhon Rakhimov?

IBF’s stance on drugs?

IBF’s ratings?

You are a moron. Probably Mauricio Sulaiman jr himselfs. Some idiot that believes that he is enlightened and special. You are not and never will be sorry. Atleast those wba idiots have brain enough to keep their heads hidden in the sand not requiring the acceptance and admiration of others, only their cash.

Does he Realy become mandatory? Why? Surely an eliminator with Parker. Don’t like number 2 sliding strait into mando, they should slide into number 1, but not be mando until mando is called.

Parker got leapfrogged by DDD with some absolute allegedly wbo bulshit anyway. That’s how Joyce got there… (not that Parker particularly deserved it).

His title shot is a long way off, mandatory or otherwise. Being mandatory is no bad thing provided Joe doesn't sit on his arse and wait for his turn.

Joe needs to follow Dillian Whyte's example and take on all comers. That way if he is well past his prime by the time his chance arrives and in no condition to win the title, at least he can say he made the best of his pro career, beat some quality opponents, and ended up with a nice retirement fund.

Of course that's easier said than done. There is no danger of getting trampled by a stampede of heavyweights rushing to pit themselves against the Juggernaut.

That's been a problem throughout boxing history - good challengers withering on the vine while awaiting their title opportunity. We all want one champion in each division but the fewer the belt-holders, the worse that problem becomes.

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 04:03 His title shot is a long way off, mandatory or otherwise. Being mandatory is no bad thing provided Joe doesn't sit on his arse and wait for his turn.

Joe needs to follow Dillian Whyte's example and take on all comers. That way if he is well past his prime by the time his chance arrives and in no condition to win the title, at least he can say he made the best of his pro career, beat some quality opponents, and ended up with a nice retirement fund.

Of course that's easier said than done. There is no danger of getting trampled by a stampede of heavyweights rushing to pit themselves against the Juggernaut.

That's been a problem throughout boxing history - good challengers withering on the vine while awaiting their title opportunity. We all want one champion in each division but the fewer the belt-holders, the worse that problem becomes.

Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum have had a long established partnership for several years, especially in regards to providing boxing content for ESPN.

Top Rank have only just taken Matchroom’s place as being Sky Sports’ primary boxing content provider.

And Queensberry Promotions is the primary boxing content provider for BT Sports.

Therefore, we’re more likely to see fighters from Sky and BT facing each other.

Joe Joyce is aligned with Queensberry Promotions and his most recent performance was against fellow stablemate, Daniel Dubois, with his next outing against Carlos Takam, with the Frenchman aligned with Top Rank.

Sky Sports have recently published articles promoting the idea of another Frenchman, Tony Yoka, facing Joe Joyce in the near future, with the former Olympic and World amateur champion aligned with Top Rank.

Other heavyweights aligned with Top Rank, include the likes of: Agit Kabayel, Kubrat Pulev, Jared Anderson, Oscar Rivas, Efe Ajagba and, of course, Tyson Fury.

Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn’s stable of heavyweights include the likes of Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Nathan Gorman, Jonathan Palata and David Adeleye.

So there is a distinct possibility that we’ll see Joe Joyce headlining UK PPV’s in the near future against some of the aforementioned names, whilst he’s biding his time waiting for his title shot (following the same route as fellow Brit, Dillian Whyte).

Of course, Joyce’s relationship (direct or otherwise) with Queensberry Promotions and Top Rank, will mean it’ll inevitably be much more challenging orchestrating bouts against fighters aligned with the PBC or DAZN.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 14:31

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 04:03 His title shot is a long way off, mandatory or otherwise. Being mandatory is no bad thing provided Joe doesn't sit on his arse and wait for his turn.

Joe needs to follow Dillian Whyte's example and take on all comers. That way if he is well past his prime by the time his chance arrives and in no condition to win the title, at least he can say he made the best of his pro career, beat some quality opponents, and ended up with a nice retirement fund.

Of course that's easier said than done. There is no danger of getting trampled by a stampede of heavyweights rushing to pit themselves against the Juggernaut.

That's been a problem throughout boxing history - good challengers withering on the vine while awaiting their title opportunity. We all want one champion in each division but the fewer the belt-holders, the worse that problem becomes.

Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum have had a long established partnership for several years, especially in regards to providing boxing content for ESPN.

Top Rank have only just taken Matchroom’s place as being Sky Sports’ primary boxing content provider.

And Queensberry Promotions is the primary boxing content provider for BT Sports.

Therefore, we’re more likely to see fighters from Sky and BT facing each other.

Joe Joyce is aligned with Queensberry Promotions and his most recent performance was against fellow stablemate, Daniel Dubois, with his next outing against Carlos Takam, with the Frenchman aligned with Top Rank.

Sky Sports have recently published articles promoting the idea of another Frenchman, Tony Yoka, facing Joe Joyce in the near future, with the former Olympic and World amateur champion aligned with Top Rank.

Other heavyweights aligned with Top Rank, include the likes of: Agit Kabayel, Kubrat Pulev, Jared Anderson, Oscar Rivas, Efe Ajagba and, of course, Tyson Fury.

Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn’s stable of heavyweights include the likes of Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Nathan Gorman, Jonathan Palata and David Adeleye.

So there is a distinct possibility that we’ll see Joe Joyce headlining UK PPV’s in the near future against some of the aforementioned names, whilst he’s biding his time waiting for his title shot (following the same route as fellow Brit, Dillian Whyte).

Of course, Joyce’s relationship (direct or otherwise) with Queensberry Promotions and Top Rank, will mean it’ll inevitably be much more challenging orchestrating bouts against fighters aligned with the PBC or DAZN.

Joe’s a while away from fighting on PPV. He’s not a big name or ticket seller in the U.K. yet. On the most official broadcasting figures in the U.K. (BARB) his fight pre Dubois was watched by 20,000 people.

Americans can watch Joyce vs Takam for $12.99 on FITE.tv.
I will probably not get it but if the Frenchman was Tony Yoka then I would.

maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 15:13

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 14:31

candyslim wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 04:03 His title shot is a long way off, mandatory or otherwise. Being mandatory is no bad thing provided Joe doesn't sit on his arse and wait for his turn.

Joe needs to follow Dillian Whyte's example and take on all comers. That way if he is well past his prime by the time his chance arrives and in no condition to win the title, at least he can say he made the best of his pro career, beat some quality opponents, and ended up with a nice retirement fund.

Of course that's easier said than done. There is no danger of getting trampled by a stampede of heavyweights rushing to pit themselves against the Juggernaut.

That's been a problem throughout boxing history - good challengers withering on the vine while awaiting their title opportunity. We all want one champion in each division but the fewer the belt-holders, the worse that problem becomes.

Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum have had a long established partnership for several years, especially in regards to providing boxing content for ESPN.

Top Rank have only just taken Matchroom’s place as being Sky Sports’ primary boxing content provider.

And Queensberry Promotions is the primary boxing content provider for BT Sports.

Therefore, we’re more likely to see fighters from Sky and BT facing each other.

Joe Joyce is aligned with Queensberry Promotions and his most recent performance was against fellow stablemate, Daniel Dubois, with his next outing against Carlos Takam, with the Frenchman aligned with Top Rank.

Sky Sports have recently published articles promoting the idea of another Frenchman, Tony Yoka, facing Joe Joyce in the near future, with the former Olympic and World amateur champion aligned with Top Rank.

Other heavyweights aligned with Top Rank, include the likes of: Agit Kabayel, Kubrat Pulev, Jared Anderson, Oscar Rivas, Efe Ajagba and, of course, Tyson Fury.

Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn’s stable of heavyweights include the likes of Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Nathan Gorman, Jonathan Palata and David Adeleye.

So there is a distinct possibility that we’ll see Joe Joyce headlining UK PPV’s in the near future against some of the aforementioned names, whilst he’s biding his time waiting for his title shot (following the same route as fellow Brit, Dillian Whyte).

Of course, Joyce’s relationship (direct or otherwise) with Queensberry Promotions and Top Rank, will mean it’ll inevitably be much more challenging orchestrating bouts against fighters aligned with the PBC or DAZN.

Joe’s a while away from fighting on PPV. He’s not a big name or ticket seller in the U.K. yet. On the most official broadcasting figures in the U.K. (BARB) his fight pre Dubois was watched by 20,000 people.

Agreed, but if Joyce starts being aggressively pushed by Sky Sports on a 24/7 basis, due to him facing Top Rank's biggest names, he'll very quickly gain exposure.

Even though Joyce is a BT/Queensberry fighter, the rest of his fellow heavyweight stablemates are merely domestic level. He needs to start facing world-rated opposition. And appearing on Top Rank's fight cards on Sky Sports is the easiest route for him to take in order to start doing that.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 00:53

maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 15:13

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 14:31
Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum have had a long established partnership for several years, especially in regards to providing boxing content for ESPN.

Top Rank have only just taken Matchroom’s place as being Sky Sports’ primary boxing content provider.

And Queensberry Promotions is the primary boxing content provider for BT Sports.

Therefore, we’re more likely to see fighters from Sky and BT facing each other.

Joe Joyce is aligned with Queensberry Promotions and his most recent performance was against fellow stablemate, Daniel Dubois, with his next outing against Carlos Takam, with the Frenchman aligned with Top Rank.

Sky Sports have recently published articles promoting the idea of another Frenchman, Tony Yoka, facing Joe Joyce in the near future, with the former Olympic and World amateur champion aligned with Top Rank.

Other heavyweights aligned with Top Rank, include the likes of: Agit Kabayel, Kubrat Pulev, Jared Anderson, Oscar Rivas, Efe Ajagba and, of course, Tyson Fury.

Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn’s stable of heavyweights include the likes of Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Nathan Gorman, Jonathan Palata and David Adeleye.

So there is a distinct possibility that we’ll see Joe Joyce headlining UK PPV’s in the near future against some of the aforementioned names, whilst he’s biding his time waiting for his title shot (following the same route as fellow Brit, Dillian Whyte).

Of course, Joyce’s relationship (direct or otherwise) with Queensberry Promotions and Top Rank, will mean it’ll inevitably be much more challenging orchestrating bouts against fighters aligned with the PBC or DAZN.

Joe’s a while away from fighting on PPV. He’s not a big name or ticket seller in the U.K. yet. On the most official broadcasting figures in the U.K. (BARB) his fight pre Dubois was watched by 20,000 people.

Agreed, but if Joyce starts being aggressively pushed by Sky Sports on a 24/7 basis, due to him facing Top Rank's biggest names, he'll very quickly gain exposure.

Even though Joyce is a BT/Queensberry fighter, the rest of his fellow heavyweight stablemates are merely domestic level. He needs to start facing world-rated opposition. And appearing on Top Rank's fight cards on Sky Sports is the easiest route for him to take in order to start doing that.

I’m not sure that you fully grasp the TV landscape in the U.K. but FWarren isn’t going to let one of his biggest fighters fight on a rival network.

He will continue to tread water on BT with them getting decent overseas opposition or they’ll try and entice someone like Derek Chisora to fight him.

The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 19:45 Americans can watch Joyce vs Takam for $12.99 on FITE.tv.
I will probably not get it but if the Frenchman was Tony Yoka then I would.

I was about to say I totally agree with your reasoning and would do the same myself, but then $ 12.99 for boxing PPV on your side of the pond is cheap as chips isn't it? It would almost be rude not to.

I guess it depends whether that includes any other decent fights on the bill.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 00:53

maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 15:13

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 14:31
Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum have had a long established partnership for several years, especially in regards to providing boxing content for ESPN.

Top Rank have only just taken Matchroom’s place as being Sky Sports’ primary boxing content provider.

And Queensberry Promotions is the primary boxing content provider for BT Sports.

Therefore, we’re more likely to see fighters from Sky and BT facing each other.

Joe Joyce is aligned with Queensberry Promotions and his most recent performance was against fellow stablemate, Daniel Dubois, with his next outing against Carlos Takam, with the Frenchman aligned with Top Rank.

Sky Sports have recently published articles promoting the idea of another Frenchman, Tony Yoka, facing Joe Joyce in the near future, with the former Olympic and World amateur champion aligned with Top Rank.

Other heavyweights aligned with Top Rank, include the likes of: Agit Kabayel, Kubrat Pulev, Jared Anderson, Oscar Rivas, Efe Ajagba and, of course, Tyson Fury.

Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn’s stable of heavyweights include the likes of Daniel Dubois, Joe Joyce, Nathan Gorman, Jonathan Palata and David Adeleye.

So there is a distinct possibility that we’ll see Joe Joyce headlining UK PPV’s in the near future against some of the aforementioned names, whilst he’s biding his time waiting for his title shot (following the same route as fellow Brit, Dillian Whyte).

Of course, Joyce’s relationship (direct or otherwise) with Queensberry Promotions and Top Rank, will mean it’ll inevitably be much more challenging orchestrating bouts against fighters aligned with the PBC or DAZN.

Joe’s a while away from fighting on PPV. He’s not a big name or ticket seller in the U.K. yet. On the most official broadcasting figures in the U.K. (BARB) his fight pre Dubois was watched by 20,000 people.

Agreed, but if Joyce starts being aggressively pushed by Sky Sports on a 24/7 basis, due to him facing Top Rank's biggest names, he'll very quickly gain exposure.

Even though Joyce is a BT/Queensberry fighter, the rest of his fellow heavyweight stablemates are merely domestic level. He needs to start facing world-rated opposition. And appearing on Top Rank's fight cards on Sky Sports is the easiest route for him to take in order to start doing that.

Careful EO. Fwank has sued people for far less than making a provocative suggestion like that

Let him get past Carlos Takam, first.

candyslim wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 04:03

The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 19:45 Americans can watch Joyce vs Takam for $12.99 on FITE.tv.
I will probably not get it but if the Frenchman was Tony Yoka then I would.

I was about to say I totally agree with your reasoning and would do the same myself, but then $ 12.99 for boxing PPV on your side of the pond is cheap as chips isn't it? It would almost be rude not to.

I guess it depends whether that includes any other decent fights on the bill.

The undercard features Ekow Essuman, the 6th ranked welterweight in the UK, and Hamzah Sheeraz the 6th ranked jr middleweight in the UK (in separate bouts). Takam is a journeyman though. Not a lot of money but I can put it towards my DAZN subscription as I still don't have DAZN .

Yeah makes sense. I've never heard of them.

maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 02:04

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 00:53

maverick23 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2021, 15:13

Joe’s a while away from fighting on PPV. He’s not a big name or ticket seller in the U.K. yet. On the most official broadcasting figures in the U.K. (BARB) his fight pre Dubois was watched by 20,000 people.

Agreed, but if Joyce starts being aggressively pushed by Sky Sports on a 24/7 basis, due to him facing Top Rank's biggest names, he'll very quickly gain exposure.

Even though Joyce is a BT/Queensberry fighter, the rest of his fellow heavyweight stablemates are merely domestic level. He needs to start facing world-rated opposition. And appearing on Top Rank's fight cards on Sky Sports is the easiest route for him to take in order to start doing that.

I’m not sure that you fully grasp the TV landscape in the U.K. but FWarren isn’t going to let one of his biggest fighters fight on a rival network.

He will continue to tread water on BT with them getting decent overseas opposition or they’ll try and entice someone like Derek Chisora to fight him.

I get what you’re saying and I already made it clear that Joyce was a BT fighter, but Bob Arum was interviewed within the last month by Sky Sports, claiming that he’s trying to make the fight between Yoka and Joyce. And I’m assuming the highest bidding network will end up covering it.

Any rivalry between Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum won't remotely resemble Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn's frosty relationship with Eddie Hearn.

The TV landscape in the UK will inevitably change due to Sky’s new ties with Top Rank.

Cross-promotional bouts involving Top Rank and Queensberry Promotions will be far easier to make than both companies working with promoters aligned with DAZN or Fox/Showtime.

Top Rank has a plethora of world-rated heavyweights at their disposal for Joe Joyce to face, whereas Queensberry promotions doesn’t have any. And it's Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn's job to promote the Juggernaut's bouts.

Let's assume that Bob Arum's ambition to imminently stage the Joyce-Yoka fight (immediately after the Takam bout) comes to fruition, it’ll be the fifth consecutive fight of Joe’s that Top Rank has been involved in (i.e. either via broadcast deals through ESPN or providing opposition).

So Joyce signed his deal with Queensberry Promotions towards the end of April 2019, with Top Rank's direct/indirect involvement in Juggernaut's commencing shortly after (i.e. from the date the negotiations for his July bout against Bryant Jennings commenced).

Anyway, regardless as to whether some of Joe Joyce’s fights in the UK are covered by BT or Sky, I strongly suspect that Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn will work with Bob Arum to provide opponents for the Juggernaut to face.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 08:45

maverick23 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 02:04

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Jul 2021, 00:53
Agreed, but if Joyce starts being aggressively pushed by Sky Sports on a 24/7 basis, due to him facing Top Rank's biggest names, he'll very quickly gain exposure.

Even though Joyce is a BT/Queensberry fighter, the rest of his fellow heavyweight stablemates are merely domestic level. He needs to start facing world-rated opposition. And appearing on Top Rank's fight cards on Sky Sports is the easiest route for him to take in order to start doing that.

I’m not sure that you fully grasp the TV landscape in the U.K. but FWarren isn’t going to let one of his biggest fighters fight on a rival network.

He will continue to tread water on BT with them getting decent overseas opposition or they’ll try and entice someone like Derek Chisora to fight him.

I get what you’re saying and I already made it clear that Joyce was a BT fighter, but Bob Arum was interviewed within the last month by Sky Sports, claiming that he’s trying to make the fight between Yoka and Joyce. And I’m assuming the highest bidding network will end up covering it.

Any rivalry between Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn and Bob Arum won't remotely resemble Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn's frosty relationship with Eddie Hearn.

The TV landscape in the UK will inevitably change due to Sky’s new ties with Top Rank.

Cross-promotional bouts involving Top Rank and Queensberry Promotions will be far easier to make than both companies working with promoters aligned with DAZN or Fox/Showtime.

Top Rank has a plethora of world-rated heavyweights at their disposal for Joe Joyce to face, whereas Queensberry promotions doesn’t have any. And it's Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn's job to promote the Juggernaut's bouts.

Let's assume that Bob Arum's ambition to imminently stage the Joyce-Yoka fight (immediately after the Takam bout) comes to fruition, it’ll be the fifth consecutive fight of Joe’s that Top Rank has been involved in (i.e. either via broadcast deals through ESPN or providing opposition).

Anyway, regardless as to whether some of Joe Joyce’s fights in the UK are covered by BT or Sky, I strongly suspect that Fɍȁnk Wȁɍɍȅn will work with Bob Arum to provide opponents for the Juggernaut to face.

Before Bob was actively pursuing a deal with Sky Sports ESPN were picking up most of FW’s shows and FW was promoting Bob’s U.K. based fighters on his shows (like the Thai vs Taylor last summer).

That has all but stopped over the last few months. BT didn’t have Frampton/Herring (despite FW supposedly having a co promotional deal with Frampton), didn’t show Josh Taylor and now ESPN aren’t show FW’s shows like this coming Saturday.

Arum may claim to be trying to make Joyce/Yoka but it’s not a big fight in the U.K. Bob seems to think that all British fighters are big ticket sellers/U.K. PPV fighters but Joyce currently isn’t and won’t be interested in making him one whilst he’s exclusively promoted by someone else.

The only way it happens is if it gets mandated for the EBU title which is unlikely but even if it does then I’d say it’s unlikely to happen.

I get the impression that Bob didn’t have much planned for Takam, he was probably on a decent sized pre Covid contractual minimum purse so was fine to let him fight on one of FW’s shows.

Bob may allow FW to match Joyce with Kabayel or Pulev (2 fighters unlikely to turn the dial in the US on ESPN and currently aren’t doing anything) but he’s not going to match the others up with Joe in the next 6 months.

I agree that the relationship won’t be as frosty as it is with Eddie but that doesn’t mean there’s going to be loads of co-promotional deals all of a sudden. Frank needs to deliver strong shows/ratings/fighters to BT and he’s not going to let Joe fight on his network’s biggest TV rival anytime soon.

Also are we sure that Takam is still promoted by Top Rank? He’s still listed on their website but it’s filled with errors and Joe Deguardia was announced as his promoter yesterday at the press conference.

Also ‘Star Boxing’ are on the promotional poster yet there’s no mention of Top Rank.