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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 18:13 i notice the age of the uk amateurs is getting up there, many in late 20s or even 30s. 'younger' members of the team already mid 20s

the uk amateur system has really developed over the last decade, but it seems to also correspond with a rise in these professional amateur types who spend extra long in the ams, maybe because it pays steady and better than before?

is that a good thing, bad thing, or neutral for how well they'll do in the pros?

dookus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 18:38

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 18:13 i notice the age of the uk amateurs is getting up there, many in late 20s or even 30s. 'younger' members of the team already mid 20s

the uk amateur system has really developed over the last decade, but it seems to also correspond with a rise in these professional amateur types who spend extra long in the ams, maybe because it pays steady and better than before?

is that a good thing, bad thing, or neutral for how well they'll do in the pros?

Overall I think a good thing. They face a higher level of skill compared with early pro opponents, and now the scoring system for amateurs (and no headguards) makes it a closer approximation of the pros.

That said, a) it's still no substitute for a proper pro education, and b) even very successful amateurs sometimes just don't have what a pro champion does and never will. There's a whole other level of toughness to fighting 12 rounds with smal gloves.

Wales wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 04:32

dookus wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 18:38

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 18:13 i notice the age of the uk amateurs is getting up there, many in late 20s or even 30s. 'younger' members of the team already mid 20s

the uk amateur system has really developed over the last decade, but it seems to also correspond with a rise in these professional amateur types who spend extra long in the ams, maybe because it pays steady and better than before?

is that a good thing, bad thing, or neutral for how well they'll do in the pros?

Overall I think a good thing. They face a higher level of skill compared with early pro opponents, and now the scoring system for amateurs (and no headguards) makes it a closer approximation of the pros.

That said, a) it's still no substitute for a proper pro education, and b) even very successful amateurs sometimes just don't have what a pro champion does and never will. There's a whole other level of toughness to fighting 12 rounds with smal gloves.

a - whats this “pro education” ?
I think the education is learning that you only get paid for the tickets you sell and promoters will absolutely throw you under the bus.
I don’t think elite amateurs learn a thing in their first 10 pro fights against journeymen. If anything it’s probably detrimental

b) that “thing” has multiple layers. Elite Amateur boxers have been hit back and been made to fight / survive. No matter if you’ve been an Olympic champion or picked from the mean streets of Brooklyn- nobody can ever say for certain that a fighter will dig deep and go that extra mile.

Look at Vitali v Byrd - let’s have it right he quit . He didn’t have the balls to get up and have a go one handed. Danny Williams the opposite.

Mike Tyson - dropped his arse against Evander and looked for a way out . Because he couldn’t handle being beat

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 03:50 ya not a bad earning at all as an am

obviously for certain type of fighters (eg super heavyweights) the pros usually make more sense, and they usually peak later anyway. but not so much for , let's say, 26 year old lightweights who aren't phenoms......

the thing is, as an amateur you will never be rich, as a pro it's a possibility, even if slim...........some just cant resist shooting for that

Wales wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 16:37 a) yeah - fair one .
b) yes sir

maverick23 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 09:54

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 03:50 ya not a bad earning at all as an am

obviously for certain type of fighters (eg super heavyweights) the pros usually make more sense, and they usually peak later anyway. but not so much for , let's say, 26 year old lightweights who aren't phenoms......

the thing is, as an amateur you will never be rich, as a pro it's a possibility, even if slim...........some just cant resist shooting for that

There will also only be a very small number of amateurs earning those kind of amounts (£40k-£60k). A good young prospect comes and takes your spot in the team and then you’re looking to turn pro on the back foot.

Clearly £60k is a good wage but it’s not life changing whilst the opportunity to earn 6 figures, or more on some cases, as a pro will be too difficult to turn down.

tonyevs wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 12:08

maverick23 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2021, 09:54

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑31 Jul 2021, 03:50 ya not a bad earning at all as an am

obviously for certain type of fighters (eg super heavyweights) the pros usually make more sense, and they usually peak later anyway. but not so much for , let's say, 26 year old lightweights who aren't phenoms......

the thing is, as an amateur you will never be rich, as a pro it's a possibility, even if slim...........some just cant resist shooting for that

There will also only be a very small number of amateurs earning those kind of amounts (£40k-£60k). A good young prospect comes and takes your spot in the team and then you’re looking to turn pro on the back foot.

Clearly £60k is a good wage but it’s not life changing whilst the opportunity to earn 6 figures, or more on some cases, as a pro will be too difficult to turn down.

The £38-60k is costs of the whole training package; it's roughly £30k a year direct/personal money for those expected to podium at high profile tournaments .. Olympics/world's/commonwealth.

Agreed - the £30k a year is not a great wage .. basically what your average qualified and experienced nurse earns. But when added to the training package .. it's probably better than a lot of British title belt holders are earning.

Add in sponsors - free car, after dinner/corporate talks .. it can add up pretty well.

Is Anthony Joshua still using Team GB facilities FOC?
I doubt very much any other professionals had that luxury.