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If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 11 Aug 2021, 08:00
by Enlightened-One
Assuming Manny Pacquiao emerges victorious from the bout he’s scheduled to compete in ten days time...
• The Filipino legend would have defeated the following opponents at welterweight within the last four years: Lucas Matthysse, Adrien Broner, Keith Thurman and Yordenis Ugas.
• To perform a comparison over the equivalent timeframe, Terence Crawford would have fought the likes of: Jeff Horn, Jose Benavidez Jr., Amir Khan, Egidijus Kavaliauskas and Kell Brook.
Therefore, do you feel that Manny Pacquiao would deserve to be rated above Terence Crawford at 147lbs, based on the calibre of opposition they’ve faced over the last four years?
Thoughts?

Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 12 Aug 2021, 03:32
by gregregegg
Defiantly . He is not better, but that would be the best welter weight win between them (if you exclude p4p Goat Jeff "the Hornet" horn).
Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 12 Aug 2021, 20:08
by Bandog
Pretty stupid thread. Ratings?
Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 12 Aug 2021, 20:10
by margaret thatcher
gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Aug 2021, 03:32
Defiantly . He is not better, but that would be the best welter weight win between them (if you exclude p4p Goat Jeff "the Hornet" horn).
thurman probably better win than ugas?
Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 13 Aug 2021, 00:00
by gregregegg
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑12 Aug 2021, 20:10
gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Aug 2021, 03:32
Defiantly . He is not better, but that would be the best welter weight win between them (if you exclude p4p Goat Jeff "the Hornet" horn).
thurman probably better win than ugas?
Mabey, i got a little astrix next to thurman. At the time he was kinda the 3rd top welter, but also kinda injury prone and past prome. I know he isnt old years wise. but he has old man joints....without fighting after only increases my doubt around it..
If you were to put 2019 thurman vs current ugas id bet on ugas. That said i know nothing about his mediacal issues.
Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 13 Aug 2021, 00:02
by margaret thatcher
either way it would be 2 wins better than any of craw's at welter, that would obivously be a good argument to rate pac higher than craw....and of course pac has the better welter resume overall too. but i do think craw would beat him handily.....though he's gotta actually f@cking do it for that to mean anything
signing with pbc and fighting porter next would be a great move, i think i heard it rumored that that is in play
Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 13 Aug 2021, 00:36
by gregregegg
Craw beats current manny. Mannys entire welter weight resume kills craws but thats unfair. Just going from the time that craw moved up mannys resume is still better, and half that times been in his 40s...
Re: If Pacquiao beats Ugas, then should he be rated higher than Crawford?
Posted: 13 Aug 2021, 00:48
by Enlightened-One
gregregegg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2021, 00:36
Craw beats current manny.
Yes, but if Crawford never faces a half-decent welterweight, then should we reward him for never achieving anything notable at 147lbs regardless his talent/potential?
gregregegg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2021, 00:36Mannys entire welter weight resume kills craws but thats unfair.
It's not though is it? Pacquaio not only fought better opposition, but he also signed the Top Rank contract to face Crawford, but Terence himself refused to sign the same paperwork.
gregregegg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2021, 00:36Just going from the time that craw moved up mannys resume is still better, and half that times been in his 40s...
Yes, Manny's resume at 147lbs for the last four years is better than Crawford's. Even without beating Ugas.