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Wondering if he has bad management or is he like everyone else and just waiting if Canelo would give him a payday. His resume in last 2 years is Adam Deines LOL

His track and promotion are strange. First he did a great thing, that he had moved out of his native circles, but eventually he had a poor track. OK, he used a good algorithm, but just picked the wrong promotion, he had some legal issues on that subject, but eventually he had that Gvozdyk fight, which made him the best candidate for being the man in the division. Yet he somehow slowed down.

I assume Artur Beterbiev will be facing Meng Fanlong next, because that’s who he was originally scheduled to face last year and he’s also the IBF mandatory.

If Beterbiev decides to go down the WBC route instead, then he could end up facing Marcus Browne or Badou Jack, since both guys are the top-two rated WBC contenders. Neither of them have fights lined-up and both have won their most recent outings.

He could potentially face Gilberto Ramirez, but it would have to be a voluntary defence. And the Mexican, who is aligned with GBP/DAZN, would probably need to work with Top Rank/ESPN again to make that fight. Zurdo only very recently left Top Rank.

The unbeaten Mexican recently called-out Beterbiev, but let’s face it… Ramirez is a protected hype job… or at least that’s how Top Rank previously handled him. Perhaps things are different now he’s with GBP?

All the other world-rated 175lb-ers either have fights lined-up/in the pipeline, were defeated in their most recent outing or are banned due to PED’s. So I can't think of any decent fighters that are available to face Beterbiev in the next three or four months.

The only other option, is that Beterbiev treads the very same path of old, by engaging in a stay-busy bout against an anonymous unheralded unaccomplished name that’s somehow included in the IBF or WBC’s top-15 rankings.

Artur Beterbiev's victory over the mentally-scarred Oleksandr Gvozdyk, coupled with hitting the deck during the course of his win against the European level Callum Johnson, are the only highlights of the Russian's professional career to-date.

By the time of his next outing, he’ll be 37 years of age, and would have only previously engaged in one bout over a two-year time period, which was (by his own admission) his lacklustre performance against the unaccomplished unheralded borderline fringe contender, Adam Deines.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 04:39 Wondering if he has bad management or is he like everyone else and just waiting if Canelo would give him a payday. His resume in last 2 years is Adam Deines LOL

I don’t think anyone is ducking Beterbiev.

He was recently classed amongst the top-ten pound-for-pounders by ESPN, The RING and I think by TBRB, but his prolonged period of inactivity compelled them to remove him.

Anyway, ESPN, The RING and the TBRB still regard Beterbiev as the vey best 175lb-er on the planet, but time is running out.

I would have hoped Beterbiev’s career would have propelled him to the next level when he stopped Gvozdyk two years ago, especially considering he’s benefitting from the financial backing of Top Rank/ESPN, coupled with the calibre of his fellow 175lbs stablemates, but he’s done nothing meaningful since then. He’s lost all the momentum he gained.

I don’t think Beterbiev’s handlers have tried making fights. Compare his resume over the last 2½ years to Joe Smith Jr’s and you’ll surely appreciate this abundantly obvious fact.

Perhaps the Russian has become risk-averse and all he’s doing is patiently waiting to retain his place in the queue to receive his lottery winning sized Canelo mega-payday opportunity, which will allow him to hang up his gloves?

He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

peter barlow wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 08:49 He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

Ramirez, Jack and Browne are good fights

Cent0089 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 09:34

peter barlow wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 08:49 He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

Ramirez, Jack and Browne are good fights

My money is on Beterbiev facing either Meng Fanlong or another anonymous unaccomplished unheralded ranked fighter, an Adam Deines like opponent.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 04:39 Wondering if he has bad management or is he like everyone else and just waiting if Canelo would give him a payday. His resume in last 2 years is Adam Deines LOL

Indeed, since the Gvozdyk fight, there was no notable fight.

It'd be a disappointing situation if these champs from 175 are gonna stay safe waiting for Canelo's payday.

I'd like to see Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez and Beterbiev vs Joe Smith or Marcus Browne.

apollo creed wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 11:39

Cent0089 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 04:39 Wondering if he has bad management or is he like everyone else and just waiting if Canelo would give him a payday. His resume in last 2 years is Adam Deines LOL

Indeed, since the Gvozdyk fight, there was no notable fight.

It'd be a disappointing situation if these champs from 175 are gonna stay safe waiting for Canelo's payday.

I'd like to see Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez and Beterbiev vs Joe Smith or Marcus Browne.

Top Rank are promoting Artur Beterbiev in the same manner as how they dealt with Gilberto Ramirez and Terence Crawford.

The Russian has only engaged in one meaningful fight since he joined Bob Arum’s stable.

Tyson Fury signed with Top Rank around the same date as Beterbiev, and coincidentally, he’s only engaged in one meaningful fight within the last 2½ years.

Gilberto Ramirez’s time competing as the top-dog at 168lbs was extremely disappointing, because Top Rank protected him from very best in his own division. He ended up leaving Top Rank for GBP, in order to seek better payday opportunities.

Teofimo Lopez recently wanted to leave Top Rank.

Mikey Garcia’s forced his release from Top Rank and then sued Bob Arum.

Manny Pacquiao sued Bob Arum immediately after his own release from Top Rank.

And we don’t really need to say much about Terence Crawford’s career over the last four years or his recent conflict with Bob Arum, do we?

We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal" (unless you're working with Don King).

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01

apollo creed wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 11:39

Cent0089 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 04:39 Wondering if he has bad management or is he like everyone else and just waiting if Canelo would give him a payday. His resume in last 2 years is Adam Deines LOL

Indeed, since the Gvozdyk fight, there was no notable fight.

It'd be a disappointing situation if these champs from 175 are gonna stay safe waiting for Canelo's payday.

I'd like to see Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez and Beterbiev vs Joe Smith or Marcus Browne.

Top Rank are promoting Artur Beterbiev in the same manner as how they dealt with Gilberto Ramirez and Terence Crawford.

The Russian has only engaged in one meaningful fight since he joined Bob Arum’s stable.

Tyson Fury signed with Top Rank around the same date as Beterbiev, and coincidentally, he’s only engaged in one meaningful fight within the last 2½ years.

Gilberto Ramirez’s time competing as the top-dog at 168lbs was extremely disappointing, because Top Rank protected him from very best in his own division. He ended up leaving Top Rank for GBP, in order to seek better payday opportunities.

Teofimo Lopez recently wanted to leave Top Rank.

Mikey Garcia’s forced his release from Top Rank and then sued Bob Arum.

Manny Pacquiao sued Bob Arum immediately after his own release from Top Rank.

And we don’t really need to say much about Terence Crawford’s career over the last four years or his recent conflict with Bob Arum, do we?

We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Gary Russell Jr
Demetrius Andrade
Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

peter barlow wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 08:49 He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

Would you look for a risky fight when your retirement fund might only be 12 months away? lets say canelo fights plant november, bivol may, then beterb is right in the hunt for september. It sucks for fans, but hard to blaim a boxer with limmited time making cash trying to figure out a way to get a 10X payday.

I expect beterb to take mandatories and tickovers untill he fights canelo or untill his retirement fight, whatever hapens first.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 15:58

peter barlow wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 08:49 He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

Would you look for a risky fight when your retirement fund might only be 12 months away? lets say canelo fights plant november, bivol may, then beterb is right in the hunt for september. It sucks for fans, but hard to blaim a boxer with limmited time making cash trying to figure out a way to get a 10X payday.

I expect beterb to take mandatories and tickovers untill he fights canelo or untill his retirement fight, whatever hapens first.

Risky thing to do when there is no guarantee he gets that fight particularly with Top Rank.
12 months from now there will be someone else knocking on the door.

He is certainly good enough to fight the top 5 guys and beat them.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15
Gary Russell Jr
Demetrius Andrade
Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Aren't they also 3 fairly inactive fighters?
Russell Jr- 5 defences since 2015!
Andrade- 2 defences since 2018
And Rigo 4 fights since 12/2017

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01

apollo creed wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 11:39

Indeed, since the Gvozdyk fight, there was no notable fight.

It'd be a disappointing situation if these champs from 175 are gonna stay safe waiting for Canelo's payday.

I'd like to see Bivol vs Zurdo Ramirez and Beterbiev vs Joe Smith or Marcus Browne.

Top Rank are promoting Artur Beterbiev in the same manner as how they dealt with Gilberto Ramirez and Terence Crawford.

The Russian has only engaged in one meaningful fight since he joined Bob Arum’s stable.

Tyson Fury signed with Top Rank around the same date as Beterbiev, and coincidentally, he’s only engaged in one meaningful fight within the last 2½ years.

Gilberto Ramirez’s time competing as the top-dog at 168lbs was extremely disappointing, because Top Rank protected him from very best in his own division. He ended up leaving Top Rank for GBP, in order to seek better payday opportunities.

Teofimo Lopez recently wanted to leave Top Rank.

Mikey Garcia’s forced his release from Top Rank and then sued Bob Arum.

Manny Pacquiao sued Bob Arum immediately after his own release from Top Rank.

And we don’t really need to say much about Terence Crawford’s career over the last four years or his recent conflict with Bob Arum, do we?

We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Gary Russell Jr
Demetrius Andrade
Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Explain the timelines of Rigondeaux changing promoters?

I think it’s important to understand the dates, rather than make assumptions, because Rigondeaux has worked with a lot of boxing content providers.

And once you’ve reviewed that timeline, we’ll move onto Andrade and Russell Jr.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 17:21

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15
Gary Russell Jr
Demetrius Andrade
Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Aren't they also 3 fairly inactive fighters?
Russell Jr- 5 defences since 2015!
Andrade- 2 defences since 2018
And Rigo 4 fights since 12/2017

Inactive just like Bieterbiev

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 20:20

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01
Top Rank are promoting Artur Beterbiev in the same manner as how they dealt with Gilberto Ramirez and Terence Crawford.

The Russian has only engaged in one meaningful fight since he joined Bob Arum’s stable.

Tyson Fury signed with Top Rank around the same date as Beterbiev, and coincidentally, he’s only engaged in one meaningful fight within the last 2½ years.

Gilberto Ramirez’s time competing as the top-dog at 168lbs was extremely disappointing, because Top Rank protected him from very best in his own division. He ended up leaving Top Rank for GBP, in order to seek better payday opportunities.

Teofimo Lopez recently wanted to leave Top Rank.

Mikey Garcia’s forced his release from Top Rank and then sued Bob Arum.

Manny Pacquiao sued Bob Arum immediately after his own release from Top Rank.

And we don’t really need to say much about Terence Crawford’s career over the last four years or his recent conflict with Bob Arum, do we?

We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Gary Russell Jr
Demetrius Andrade
Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Explain the timelines of Rigondeaux changing promoters?

I think it’s important to understand the dates, rather than make assumptions, because Rigondeaux has worked with a lot of boxing content providers.

And once you’ve reviewed that timeline, we’ll move onto Andrade and Russell Jr.

Thanks for not giving me homework EO

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Guillermo Rigondeaux was with Top Rank from July 2010 until November 2015. And the only notable victory on his resume during that period was the Nonito Donaire win in 2013.

The Cuban didn’t join the PBC until he was 38 years of age. And as far as I'm aware, Guillermo Rigondeaux hasn't said anything negative about the PBC.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Gary Russell Jr

“Al Haymon has done a wonderful job so far with my entire career,” Russell said. “I’ve been blessed. We’ve had a smooth working relationship with Al for my entire career. There’s nothing that I haven’t asked him for that he didn’t fulfill and I’m looking forward to moving on this year.” Because of that relationship, Russell plans to stay with Haymon for the rest of his career, he said

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Demetrius Andrade

Prior to joining Matchroom, Demetrius Andrade rejected the Jermell Charlo bout (twice), as well as opportunities to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and Erislandy Lara. Demetrius also previously conceded that he wasn't ready to face Billy Joe Saunders.

It’s clear that Andrade has received massive opportunities in the past, but he rejected them.

And for whatever reason, Matchroom hasn’t matched him up against any of his fellow stablemates.

Is that purely down to Eddie Hearn, or is possible (based on the American’s track-record) that Andrade has rejected some of the fights that Eddie Hearn has tried to make?

Either way, Demetrius Andrade has never said a bad word about Matchroom or Eddie Hearn.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 04:26

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:01We don't really hear about those sort of troubles with Matchroom or the PBC, which means Top Ranks problems with their own fighters aren't "normal".

Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Guillermo Rigondeaux was with Top Rank from July 2010 until November 2015. And the only notable victory on his resume during that period was the Nonito Donaire win in 2013.

The Cuban didn’t join the PBC until he was 38 years of age. And as far as I'm aware, Guillermo Rigondeaux hasn't said anything negative about the PBC.

And he still can't get relevant fights. And no, Casimiro isn't a relevant fight.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 15:58

peter barlow wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 08:49 He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

Would you look for a risky fight when your retirement fund might only be 12 months away? lets say canelo fights plant november, bivol may, then beterb is right in the hunt for september. It sucks for fans, but hard to blaim a boxer with limmited time making cash trying to figure out a way to get a 10X payday.

I expect beterb to take mandatories and tickovers untill he fights canelo or untill his retirement fight, whatever hapens first.

In terms of business Beterbiev has two big titles that could bring him a nice payday vs Canelo. Also Beterbiev is the man at 175. Meng Fanlong and Marcus Browne are his mandatories.

Tbh, most of us would do the same but as boxing fan I'd like to see the 175 champions unify their titles.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 10:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 04:26

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 12:15 Rigondeux best win/performance was with TR

Guillermo Rigondeaux was with Top Rank from July 2010 until November 2015. And the only notable victory on his resume during that period was the Nonito Donaire win in 2013.

The Cuban didn’t join the PBC until he was 38 years of age. And as far as I'm aware, Guillermo Rigondeaux hasn't said anything negative about the PBC.

And he still can't get relevant fights. And no, Casimiro isn't a relevant fight.

Like I said before, the PBC acquired Guillermo Rigondeaux when he’d already turned 38 years of age. He’ll be 41 years old in a matter of weeks.

Top Rank and Roc Nation were promoting the Cuban for almost nine years (between 2010 and 2018), but they did nothing with him.

In fact, Bob Arum openly admitted to wanting to offload him, because HBO didn’t want to cover his fights.

The PBC acquired Rigondeaux despite the fact the Cuban hadn’t won a fight for 2 ½ years when they signed him.

And it only took them 15 months to push Rigondeaux to claim the WBA’s bantamweight title. What more can you do for a commercially-unpopular fighter in their forties?

Let’ not forget, Rigondeaux was at the very end of his career when the PBC started handling him. They can’t be held responsible for Top Rank or Roc Nations actions.

Don’t just criticise, explain the reason why you feel the PBC has poorly promoted the well past-his-prime Rigondeaux? Because all you're doing is criticising, without providing any justification.

apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 10:52

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 15:58

peter barlow wrote: ↑17 Aug 2021, 08:49 He isn't getting that Canelo payday imo Plant and Bivol are ahead of the queue.

What happened the Joe Smith jr fight. Smith now has another Russian in mandatory and then Daniel Jacobs in February supposedly if he wins.

Gilberto Ramirez, Badou Jack. Marcus Browne is No1 with WBC. Beterbiev needs activity

Would you look for a risky fight when your retirement fund might only be 12 months away? lets say canelo fights plant november, bivol may, then beterb is right in the hunt for september. It sucks for fans, but hard to blaim a boxer with limmited time making cash trying to figure out a way to get a 10X payday.

I expect beterb to take mandatories and tickovers untill he fights canelo or untill his retirement fight, whatever hapens first.

In terms of business Beterbiev has two big titles that could bring him a nice payday vs Canelo. Also Beterbiev is the man at 175. Meng Fanlong and Marcus Browne are his mandatories.

Tbh, most of us would do the same but as boxing fan I'd like to see the 175 champions unify their titles.

Yea look, I want people to strive for greatness and legacy... but if it were me id fight fanlong, and brown and sit next to my phone waiting for canelo to call. by the time he fights them its likely canelo has beat plant, and bivol and is looking for a dance partner. throw ya hat in the ring. If he does anything but, big respect.

All of the big guns, tr, pbc, match room are short on money. Arum is in the best shape because ESPN is in toe.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 16:21 All of the big guns, tr, pbc, match room are short on money. Arum is in the best shape because ESPN is in toe.

ESPN has been laying off staff and asking their staff to take pay cuts, with the reason cited is that they’re struggling to fund the rising costs of paying for the rights to cover certain sports.

Top Rank’s deal ends in four years time and boxing is a niche sport, which attracts a relatively small audience compared to other sports.

Fox is in the same situation as ESPN and DAZN’s debt is gigantic.

Therefore, all the big players in boxing are in a precarious position, because all contracts can be terminated early.