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[computerrank]

Dear all,
 
I'm Alessio Bisutti, owner of FCC Promotion registered as box-pro, manager and Promoter with your estimated company  (see attached my boxrec).

 
Following the below email received from Mr. Grey, where he explained to me how to use "predict boxrec functionality" and how to determine the world rating, I'm surprised about my actual world position due to the fact that it is not respected as explained by Mr. Grey.
 
Let me explain better: my opponent, Panya Chomphoophuang (see attached his boxrec), is in a cruiser weight division, and I'm in a heavyweight division. We fought on July 13 in Pattaya, Thailand, for the WBC bridgerweight title, which is equal to the heavy weight title + 91 kg. 
 
Mr. Grey, as reported in the email below, informed us that to calculate the prediction and the world rating, when the divisions of the two boxers are different, as in this case, we have to calculate the prediction using the page of the lighter boxer or division (in this case, Panya-Cruiser) and on the second box, the name of the heavier boxer (in this case, Bisutti-Heavy Weight).
 
If we calculate like he explained, my world position should be 81, but now it is 131 (before the fight I was 141 on world rating, so basically I got only 11 position on the world rating winning by ko that is incredible low.)  due to the fact that, for some reason, the world rating has been calculated by inserting the two boxers with the same division (heavyweight) using the predict functionality in my boxrec page (Bisutti first box and Panya second box).
 
I'm waiting for your kind answer even though on my last fight on 27 April 2024 (Naphat Ngoenbamrung - Cruiser division), the prediction was calculated correctly using the procedure above reported.


So please let me know if it is wrong how boxrec calculated the word rating this time 13 July 2024 or the previous fight on 27 April 2024.


Look forward to hearing from you and hoping to get my correct world rating.

Email received from Mr. GREY

Hello Alessio,


I have linked your Wikipedia page from our Wiki https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Alessio_Bisutti.


Here is the response from our ratings editor:


"1) His rating was changed due to the new ratings version from 2024-04-09.


2) Saman Noori defeated 2 debutants, but one of them had a win later.

3) For calculations predict uses the division of the first boxer, if the divisions of the 2 boxers are different. Ratings and ranks are different in different divisions.

4) If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."


Again, I would ask if you want to talk to him directly to please post in our forum: posting.php?mode=reply&t=249171


Thank you

Grey

Alessio,

Before your fight with Panya Chomphoophuang you should have called predict with yourself in 1st place and Panya in 2nd. Because then the calculation would have been for the the weight division of the 1st named boxer, you, at Heavyweight.

To show you the effects of boxer order I reset you last bout with Panya.

1) With you set in 1st place, that means with calculating at Heavyweight, I get the following prediction with you going to #130 at Heavyweight:



2) With Panya set in 1st place, that means with calculationg at Cruiserweight, I get the following prediction with you going to #84 at Cruiserweight.



Seems quite ok to me, or?

Greetings
Martin

[Allessio]

Dear all,

Thank you for your answer.

Please note here below a message I received from Mr. GREY (Boxrec) 2 months ago.

QUOTE
4) If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."
UNQUOTE

According to his writing, in this specific case that Panya has been assigned a WBC heavy weight championship , is correct your option number 2 and not the option number 1 , so at the end my position should be 85 and not 130.

Please let me know
Thank you for your time and attention

Alessio

[Allessio]

Morever
Please note:

1) on my last fight on 27 April 2024 (Naphat Ngoenbamrung - Cruiser division), the prediction was calculated correctly using the procedure explained by Mr. GREY and reported on the point 2 of your email.

2) Before my fight i calculated all predicts because i think that it is normal if you have to organize a fights, so this is the reason why I noted the discrepancy.

Please let me know if it is wrong how boxrec calculated the word rating this time 13 July 2024 or the previous fight on 27 April 2024.


Look forward to hearing from you and hoping to get my correct world rating.

Thanks for your attention

Alessio

[computerrank]

Curse of the Bridgerweights!!

Martin -- Did you ever look at the All-Time Polish P4P rankings that have the 52-59 Eddie Ran at #2, above Adamek..?

Jason,
We are back now from great Scotland :-), I will look into that, thanks!
Martin

Jason,
I found 2 reasons for that:
- In the calculation of the points_career of the all-timers I forgot to reduce the weight division factor from 3 to 1 with last change.
- As you already found 2 of the 5 best wins of Ran were DQs, which should not be counted for the career ratings perhaps.
I will correct the bug with the missing reduction of the weight division factor.
Thanks for the hint
Greetings
Martin

[Allessio]

Dear all,
Nice to meet you snd Thanks for your comments.

Frankly speaking, I did not understand the technical comments regarding my issues.

Can somebody of you guys answer to me with easy words.

I only understood that there is a bug but i did not understand which will be my future world position.

Looks forward to hearing from you

Alessio

[computerrank]

Dear all,
Nice to meet you snd Thanks for your comments.

Frankly speaking, I did not understand the technical comments regarding my issues.

Can somebody of you guys answer to me with easy words.

I only understood that there is a bug but i did not understand which will be my future world position.

Looks forward to hearing from you

Alessio

Correct was Bissuti vs Chomphoophuang. That made the predict calculation at the weight division of Bissuti. And that resulted in Bissuti's move from #140 to #130.

[Allessio]

So my final position will be 130, am I correct?

If 130, pleae note that it is a complete opposite information according to the email received from Mr, Grey ( reported above) and the boxrec calculation of my fight in April. am I correct ?

According to Mr, Grey emsil, my position should be 85 instead of 130 so calculate on my opponent predict page inserting my name on the second box.

Sorry for bother you guys but, I need to know exactly the procedures, we are planning a new fights for me and my team and I don't want find again this problems.

Thanks for your understanding

Alessio

[computerrank]

So my final position will be 130, am I correct?

If 130, pleae note that it is a complete opposite information according to the email received from Mr, Grey ( reported above) and the boxrec calculation of my fight in April. am I correct ?

According to Mr, Grey emsil, my position should be 85 instead of 130 so calculate on my opponent predict page inserting my name on the second box.

Sorry for bother you guys but, I need to know exactly the procedures, we are planning a new fights for me and my team and I don't want find again this problems.

Thanks for your understanding

Alessio

Yes, set your name into the first box for prediction and you will be right

[Allessio]

Dear all
So, why I received the below wrong information from me. GREY?
Quote

3) For calculations predict uses the division of the first boxer, if the divisions of the 2 boxers are different. Ratings and ranks are different in different divisions.

4) If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."

Unquote

Please note that with WRONG information coming from BOXREC the promoter and manager (as I'm ) LOSE money and credibility Vs the team and odienes.

Now with 45 positions less (from 130 to 85 )  is a disaster for me , I spent a lot of money for the opponent,  event and WBC calculated everything according to the email i received, and now at the end i get only 10  useless position even If I won the wbc continental title.

Really unbeliable

[margaret thatcher]

i think there is a misunderstanding...........the explanation given to you in that message from grey was that you (presumably you are the one who wants to see their rank at heavyweight) should have put your name first, not that your opponent should have been first.

[Allessio]

We cannot call misunderstanding, the words wrote by Mr Grey was really clear.

sometime is better admit the mistake and said SORRY.

I'm explain one more time the situation hoping I'll have an easy answer from your side explaining why one time the rating was calculated in one way and the other time in another way.

I'm ALESSIO BISUTTI HEAVYWEIGHT and Mr. Grey send a message to myself and he wrote the below sentence,

Quote
If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."
Unquote

The message of Mr. Grey said that l have to Insert the name of (Naphat Ngoenbamrung - Cruiser division),in the first box and my name in the second box (im not assigned because I'm heavyweight in that specif case the only assigned boxer from cruiser to Heavyweight was Naphat and not my self).
And please note that in that specif fight the rating showing on Naphat predict was correct with my final rating position).

So basically in one of the two time the predict and my boxrec rating was not correct.

I'm waiting yours hoping that somebody of boxrec can explain me the real, hopefully Mr. Grey

[margaret thatcher]

it's been explained to you several times and earlier in the thread

"If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."

the thai wasnt the one who wanted to see the predictions for heavyweight, you were. the thai wasnt assigned to heavyweight, you were. the person being refered to in the quote above is YOU. not the thai. YOU should have had your name entered first, not the thai.

now you know what to do and can move on with things correctly in the future.

[Simon Lock]

Marco Huck still isn't showing as having a ranking, is there a reason for this?

Also what changes have been made to make Usyk #1 P4P now, when he was previously #12 following the Fury fight?

Thanks

[computerrank]

Marco Huck still isn't showing as having a ranking, is there a reason for this?

Also what changes have been made to make Usyk #1 P4P now, when he was previously #12 following the Fury fight?

Thanks

There is some housekeeping, maybe in connection with Bridgerweight titles, which erases division assignments automatically.

Usyk now #1 P4P is an error. It will be fixed tomorrow.

[SportsRatings]

it's been explained to you several times and earlier in the thread

"If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."

the thai wasnt the one who wanted to see the predictions for heavyweight, you were. the thai wasnt assigned to heavyweight, you were. the person being refered to in the quote above is YOU. not the thai. YOU should have had your name entered first, not the thai.

now you know what to do and can move on with things correctly in the future.

What does "boxrec predict" do? I never knew it existed, just now I figured out it's a paid feature. Does it get the prediction percentage for a fight between any two chosen boxers?

[computerrank]

it's been explained to you several times and earlier in the thread

"If he wants to see the predictions for Heavyweight and he is assigned to Heavyweight, just should just enter his name as first boxer."

the thai wasnt the one who wanted to see the predictions for heavyweight, you were. the thai wasnt assigned to heavyweight, you were. the person being refered to in the quote above is YOU. not the thai. YOU should have had your name entered first, not the thai.

now you know what to do and can move on with things correctly in the future.

What does "boxrec predict" do? I never knew it existed, just now I figured out it's a paid feature. Does it get the prediction percentage for a fight between any two chosen boxers?

Yes, it does

[JCS]

Hey Martin...

How did Jake Paul jump from #106 to #80 for beating 0-1 Mike Perry?

[computerrank]

Hey Martin...

How did Jake Paul jump from #106 to #80 for beating 0-1 Mike Perry?

Jake Paul should be behind Tommy Fury due to his loss. But Jake Paul's last bout entries disturb the winner above loser rule.

[JCS]

Hey Martin...

How did Jake Paul jump from #106 to #80 for beating 0-1 Mike Perry?

Jake Paul should be behind Tommy Fury due to his loss. But Jake Paul's last bout entries disturb the winner above loser rule.

Jake Paul went back behind Fury after today's run... The world is OK again.

[mike1989]

what do you plan to do with the ratings Bridgerweight ?

[computerrank]

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[computerrank]

BoxRec Annual Ratings updated with 2023 results:

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/BoxRe ... al_Ratings

[computerrank]

what do you plan to do with the ratings Bridgerweight ?

For Bridgerweights the division assignment is deleted by a daily housekeeping routine.

[defeldrick]

May I ask you to explain why Michael Hunter is in the 9th place in the ranking? On what basis is he so highly ranked? I can't comprehend it. He recently lost to Artem Suslenkov and you ignore that fight. I can see you have finally adjusted the ranking of the overrated Jared Anderson, who was again ranked in the top 10 for no rational reason except for paid rankings of government bodies as he never fought anyone except for Charles Martin, the worst world heavyweight champion in history, with whom he struggled big time. I'm patiently waiting for your plausible explanation.

[computerrank]

May I ask you to explain why Michael Hunter is in the 9th place in the ranking? On what basis is he so highly ranked? I can't comprehend it. He recently lost to Artem Suslenkov and you ignore that fight. I can see you have finally adjusted the ranking of the overrated Jared Anderson, who was again ranked in the top 10 for no rational reason except for paid rankings of government bodies as he never fought anyone except for Charles Martin, the worst world heavyweight champion in history, with whom he struggled big time. I'm patiently waiting for your plausible explanation.

I will be out of office until Friday - then Iwill look into that ...