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Posted: **24 Aug 2021, 17:13**

Having watched some recent interviews 2 things stood out to me.

The voices of Kevin Mitchell and Tommy Coyle.

Both absolute respected high level warriors in their day but they took too many shots and it shows. Lads, If you read this I know you are both thinking of 'one more'..... but think again.

Please please please don,t lace them up again. Think of your families that love you very much.

In fairness I could probably add Graham Earl to the list as well.

Posted: **24 Aug 2021, 17:15**

obligatory 'but they always sounded that way'

Posted: **24 Aug 2021, 17:29**

Think pro boxing will ever get banned ?

Posted: **24 Aug 2021, 17:31**

These situations are really sad to me…. I sometimes think I shouldn’t watch boxing….

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 05:05**

I never think that i shouldnt watch it but it saddens me that once great warriors are left damaged for our entertainment. Holyfield being a prime example, an absolute legend but too brave for his own health and longevity (of life, not boxing career)

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 05:21**

rhino222 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 05:05 I never think that i shouldnt watch it but it saddens me that once great warriors are left damaged for our entertainment. Holyfield being a prime example, an absolute legend but too brave for his own health and longevity (of life, not boxing career)

Actually, Holy is a one of the most positive examples. especially considering his style of fighting. He looks like a superhuman, very good for his age. He's fit physically and he doesn't slur, at least much.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 05:28**

Not heard Kevin Mitchell interview for a while , has he really deteriorated?
I always worried for Scott Cardle but couldn’t ever tell properly given he has a Scottish/lytham accent .

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 06:02**

James DeGale too, worryingly so last time I heard him speak, definitely degenerated.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 08:12**

Boxing is a dangerous sport, a lot of fighters have something with the way they speak, it's part and parcel.
Does anyone really think getting punched in the head for 20 years has no impact

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 08:12**

revporl wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:02 James DeGale too, worryingly so last time I heard him speak, definitely degenerated.

Surprised to hear that one. He was pretty good defensively ??

Seems generic too. The likes of Jake Lamotta lived a terrible life and was sharp as a whip until his 90s.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 08:33**

high tower 1 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 08:12
revporl wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:02 James DeGale too, worryingly so last time I heard him speak, definitely degenerated.
Surprised to hear that one. He was pretty good defensively ??

Seems generic too. The likes of Jake Lamotta lived a terrible life and was sharp as a whip until his 90s.

Defensively good boxers aren't necessarily supposed to have significantly less brain damage. Boxers fight obviously not only in the ring, but they also spar a lot. Sparrings can be lighter than actual fights, but still they cause constant micro traumas. Being hit to the head is boxer's job.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 09:01**

Certainly when the average boxer started taking blows to the head as a 10 or 11 year old child. I think boxing is on shakey ground generally. It seems a very marginal sport these days.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 09:21**

polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 09:01 Certainly when the average boxer started taking blows to the head as a 10 or 11 year old child. I think boxing is on shakey ground generally. It seems a very marginal sport these days.

I think a lot of sports including boxing need to take steps to reduce the amount of impacts to the head. Reducing the amount of head shots taken in amateur sparring would help as would philosophies like Brendan Ingle’s whereby headshots are reduced in sparring at all levels I think.

I remember as a kid spending 30 minutes just heading every other week in football training. No one thought anything of it but even that can’t be good for you.

People are far more aware now of the risks in boxing. Every pro fighter would surely know the risks involved long term.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 09:28**

high tower 1 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 08:12
revporl wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 06:02 James DeGale too, worryingly so last time I heard him speak, definitely degenerated.
Surprised to hear that one. He was pretty good defensively ??

Seems generic too. The likes of Jake Lamotta lived a terrible life and was sharp as a whip until his 90s.

DeGale got hit loads in the last few years of his career.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 09:45**

maverick23 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 09:21
polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 09:01 Certainly when the average boxer started taking blows to the head as a 10 or 11 year old child. I think boxing is on shakey ground generally. It seems a very marginal sport these days.
I think a lot of sports including boxing need to take steps to reduce the amount of impacts to the head. Reducing the amount of head shots taken in amateur sparring would help as would philosophies like Brendan Ingle’s whereby headshots are reduced in sparring at all levels I think.

I remember as a kid spending 30 minutes just heading every other week in football training. No one thought anything of it but even that can’t be good for you.

People are far more aware now of the risks in boxing. Every pro fighter would surely know the risks involved long term.

Havent they banned heading the ball at some underage levels of football now.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 10:03**

slapbangwhallop wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 09:45
maverick23 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 09:21
polecateddy wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 09:01 Certainly when the average boxer started taking blows to the head as a 10 or 11 year old child. I think boxing is on shakey ground generally. It seems a very marginal sport these days.
I think a lot of sports including boxing need to take steps to reduce the amount of impacts to the head. Reducing the amount of head shots taken in amateur sparring would help as would philosophies like Brendan Ingle’s whereby headshots are reduced in sparring at all levels I think.

I remember as a kid spending 30 minutes just heading every other week in football training. No one thought anything of it but even that can’t be good for you.

People are far more aware now of the risks in boxing. Every pro fighter would surely know the risks involved long term.
Havent they banned heading the ball at some underage levels of football now.

I think so. Probably not a bad idea given the known risks now.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 10:14**

Sparring needs to be looked into. I’ve had thick trainers advocating hard sparring and teaching next to no defence. Dinosaurs like that need retiring.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 10:26**

James Toney was the worst, when he did an interview a few years back with Johhny Nelson and Adam Smith at Skysports, could hardly understand a word he was saying. They showed him a clip of Roy Jones bragging about beating Toney so easily and Toney didn't even recognise him until they pointed it out.

Groves seemed punchy a bit, had vacant looks and big pauses. The last time I saw an interview with him.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 10:47**

IRONFIST wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 10:26 James Toney was the worst, when he did an interview a few years back with Johhny Nelson and Adam Smith at Skysports, could hardly understand a word he was saying. They showed him a clip of Roy Jones bragging about beating Toney so easily and Toney didn't even recognise him until they pointed it out.

Groves seemed punchy a bit, had vacant looks and big pauses. The last time I saw an interview with him.

And I think Toney is going to do a 'exhibition' type fight against Jeremy Williams

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 12:09**

Froch is in good nick considering the wars he was in.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 14:32**

A lot of interviews with ex boxers are done at events and most of them are pissed.
Groves’ interviews are atrocious and he can’t be sober when ringside.
Obviously it’s an issue but not as widespread as people think as most interviews are live and about 8pm on a Saturday when ex-fighters are on freebies.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 15:50**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 17:31 These situations are really sad to me…. I sometimes think I shouldn’t watch boxing….

As I've got older I certainly struggle to make a good argument against boxing being banned. I wouldn't want my kids to box.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 16:30**

Controversial wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:50
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 17:31 These situations are really sad to me…. I sometimes think I shouldn’t watch boxing….
As I've got older I certainly struggle to make a good argument against boxing being banned. I wouldn't want my kids to box.

Yeah very many sad stories. Maybe a shot amateur career but more than that is difficult

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 17:10**

Controversial wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:50
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 17:31 These situations are really sad to me…. I sometimes think I shouldn’t watch boxing….
As I've got older I certainly struggle to make a good argument against boxing being banned. I wouldn't want my kids to box.

Amateur boxing at under age level gives a lot too. Great health , work ethic , confidence. Pro boxing is a different kettle of fish.

Posted: **25 Aug 2021, 17:40**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 16:30
Controversial wrote: ↑25 Aug 2021, 15:50
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 17:31 These situations are really sad to me…. I sometimes think I shouldn’t watch boxing….
As I've got older I certainly struggle to make a good argument against boxing being banned. I wouldn't want my kids to box.
Yeah very many sad stories. Maybe a shot amateur career but more than that is difficult

If I had kids, I wouldn't mind them boxing amateur, but I wouldn't want them boxing pro unless they were good enough to guarantee decent money, which these days probably means at least making Team GB and doing well at that level. The price of failure and the odds of it are too high.

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