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my opinion - at #3, behind only the us and meh-he-co

thoughts?

Cuba?

US is an obvious leader all time, despite it's in a sorta crisis now. Mexico or UK gotta follow. I'd put UK to the 2nd place, because Mexico has always been around, but never was a leader. UK looks like a leader today.

(craig) wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 03:07Cuba?

In amateurs yes. It has a strong school of boxing and in addition to that it provides "professional amateurs" more than any other country. Some of their exiles are successful in pros, but still there are not that many of them.

Think its second to USA as a boxing country overall, shows, history, current set up. but as somewhere that produces good boxers, historicaly, USA, Russia, Cuba, Ukrain, Mex are all probably ahead.

gregregegg wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 04:24 Think its second to USA as a boxing country overall, shows, history, current set up. but as somewhere that produces good boxers, historicaly, USA, Russia, Cuba, Ukrain, Mex are all probably ahead.

Russia isn't ahead definitely. Ukraine too. Today they are on par, but not all time, I'd say. Although Ukraine is closer alone with Klitschkos, Lomachenko and Usyk. In amateurs USSR was better and Russia with some post-Soviet countries are better now.

Well if by "of all time" you mean from around 1900 when boxing as we know it was coming together, second, easily, if only for the fact that for a great deal of that time the US and the UK were the only large countries really taking boxing seriously. Russia of course didn't even exist for a lot of that time and the USSR didn't allow people to turn pro. Mexico didn't really start producing champions in numbers until the 1960s and 70s.

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 04:36

gregregegg wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 04:24 Think its second to USA as a boxing country overall, shows, history, current set up. but as somewhere that produces good boxers, historicaly, USA, Russia, Cuba, Ukrain, Mex are all probably ahead.

Russia isn't ahead definitely. Ukraine too. Today they are on par, but not all time, I'd say. Although Ukraine is closer alone with Klitschkos, Lomachenko and Usyk. In amateurs USSR was better and Russia with some post-Soviet countries are better now.

When i say russia i include USSR mentally. which is weird because then i guess im stealing a fair bit of tallent from USSR regions that are not now Russia. the stans, ukrain ect. Under the russian flag then UK is most likely well ahead then.

Overall this question has identified that i have a northasian/east euro history deficiency. Was russia russia befor USSR?.

Very open question..

In terms of revenue?

pro boxers produced?

events in general?

gregregegg wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 04:57

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 04:36

gregregegg wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 04:24 Think its second to USA as a boxing country overall, shows, history, current set up. but as somewhere that produces good boxers, historicaly, USA, Russia, Cuba, Ukrain, Mex are all probably ahead.

Russia isn't ahead definitely. Ukraine too. Today they are on par, but not all time, I'd say. Although Ukraine is closer alone with Klitschkos, Lomachenko and Usyk. In amateurs USSR was better and Russia with some post-Soviet countries are better now.

When i say russia i include USSR mentally. which is weird because then i guess im stealing a fair bit of tallent from USSR regions that are not now Russia. the stans, ukrain ect. Under the russian flag then UK is most likely well ahead then.

Overall this question has identified that i have a northasian/east euro history deficiency. Was russia russia befor USSR?.

Before the USSR there was the Russian Empire. Formally, there was another shortly lived state between them, during the revolution, civil war and other stuff. Now there's Commonwealth of Independent States, where there are Russia, Belarus, Stans and etc as independent countries.

In terms of boxing there was a Soviet school, which now remains a basis for the post-Soviet countries, although, of course, it undergoes different changes with time passing.

It’ll be third, behind Mexico. Which is still some way short of the US. It’s typically been like that since the 60s, despite the proliferation of titles.

then it’ll be japan, Korea, Puerto Rico. Then South American and other Asian counties.

I think by holders per million the likes of PR would be way ahead of everyone else.

The Olympic funding has transformed the amateurs.

The flip side for the pros is that many prob stay too long these days.

orbtastic wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 06:31 It’ll be third, behind Mexico. Which is still some way short of the US. It’s typically been like that since the 60s, despite the proliferation of titles.

then it’ll be japan, Korea, Puerto Rico. Then South American and other Asian counties.

I think by holders per million the likes of PR would be way ahead of everyone else.

Agree entirely. Mexico is a very strong second.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 02:20 my opinion - at #3, behind only the us and meh-he-co

thoughts?

Too high - we were really crap for about 50 years after WW2.
NOW - 3rd would be fair.

surprised by all the people rating it ahead of mexico, cant see that myself

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Aug 2021, 05:05 Very open question..

In terms of revenue?

pro boxers produced?

events in general?

quality of boxers

Per capita? Top.

uk has 20x puerto ricos population....have we produced 20x the quality? cuba has done very well for just over 10m as well

3rd after USA and Mexico

2nd after the USA for me. We've got the second best strength in depth across the widest range of weight classes behind the yanks and probably always have had. Plus we've got the history. Mexico stronger in lower weight classes though

uk and ireland or uk? was thinking 3rd usa mexico i know cuba have great fighters but uk has the numbers

cuba has produced some amazing talent and for a country of only just over 10m. still a bit short on quantity i'd say to crack the top 3, but p4p they are right up there

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 19:41 cuba has produced some amazing talent and for a country of only just over 10m. still a bit short on quantity i'd say to crack the top 3, but p4p they are right up there

see maggie i reckon if you add the uk and ireland together i think they better mexico, and go 2nd due to super middleweights and bigger fighters

ya, but what if we then add cuba and mexico together, do they overtake uk + ireland

#1 has to be the mix of Russia and her spinoffs. Think over the last 30 odd years and add 'stan to the name of a country.

#2 USA born and new citizens

#3 UK but I hate bundling. England deserves a shout on her own, but maybe a few points lower.