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Is a Lonsdale belt available for every weight class from minimum weight to heavyweight?

I don’t think I can recall a Minimumweight belt fought for or even a light fly.

Please enlighten.

Foggy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:56 Is a Lonsdale belt available for every weight class from minimum weight to heavyweight?

I don’t think I can recall a Minimumweight belt fought for or even a light fly.

Please enlighten.

There is no British title for light fly or straw, super fly is only recent, no belt for bridgerweight either

Lowest weight class is fly weight thats has been about for a long time. Most recently was fought for saturday night and has had some good fighters hold it including Jimmy wilde,Duke mckenzie,Dave mcauley,Jackie brown ,Charlie magri to name just a few of them.

jonp wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 19:15 Lowest weight class is fly weight thats has been about for a long time. Most recently was fought for saturday night and has had some good fighters hold it including Jimmy wilde,Duke mckenzie,Dave mcauley,Jackie brown ,Charlie magri to name just a few of them.

Charlie Magri was awarded a Lonsdale Belt after his retirement in 1986. He had won the British title in 1977 with a seven-knockdown mauling of Eltham's Dave Smith but never defended it because he was obviously too good for the limited number of domestic flyweights around at the time.

Coco wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:59

Foggy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:56 Is a Lonsdale belt available for every weight class from minimum weight to heavyweight?

I don’t think I can recall a Minimumweight belt fought for or even a light fly.

Please enlighten.

There is no British title for light fly or straw, super fly is only recent, no belt for bridgerweight either

Would there be if enough fighters were around this weight, is it just a case of UK guys are bigger than this weight division?

Coco wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:59

Foggy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:56 Is a Lonsdale belt available for every weight class from minimum weight to heavyweight?

I don’t think I can recall a Minimumweight belt fought for or even a light fly.

Please enlighten.

There is no British title for light fly or straw, super fly is only recent, no belt for bridgerweight either

Superfly been about for a few years now. Lee Haskins held the title for a while including what could be some of the worst fights ever witnessed vs Andy Bell and Don Broadhurst.

Foggy wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 10:58

Coco wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:59

Foggy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:56 Is a Lonsdale belt available for every weight class from minimum weight to heavyweight?

I don’t think I can recall a Minimumweight belt fought for or even a light fly.

Please enlighten.

There is no British title for light fly or straw, super fly is only recent, no belt for bridgerweight either

Would there be if enough fighters were around this weight, is it just a case of UK guys are bigger than this weight division?

I reckon there would be if there were enough fighters

Foggy wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 10:58

Coco wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:59

Foggy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:56 Is a Lonsdale belt available for every weight class from minimum weight to heavyweight?

I don’t think I can recall a Minimumweight belt fought for or even a light fly.

Please enlighten.

There is no British title for light fly or straw, super fly is only recent, no belt for bridgerweight either

Would there be if enough fighters were around this weight, is it just a case of UK guys are bigger than this weight division?

Thete would be more than enough for a Commonwealth title at light fly and strawweight ... it would be great for African boxing and give sone of their fighters a pay day and opportunities at a major title.

Paul Weir won world titles at straw and light fly and famously couldn’t get fights at the weight domestically.

Too many weight classes as it is especially at lower weights. Should be less if anything.

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 13:34

Foggy wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 10:58

Coco wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 15:59

There is no British title for light fly or straw, super fly is only recent, no belt for bridgerweight either

Would there be if enough fighters were around this weight, is it just a case of UK guys are bigger than this weight division?

Thete would be more than enough for a Commonwealth title at light fly and strawweight ... it would be great for African boxing and give sone of their fighters a pay day and opportunities at a major title.

There is a Commonwealth title at light-flyweight. It was originally meant to be on the line in the bout between Matt Windle and Neil McCubbin.

Greg Houston wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 02:33

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 13:34

Foggy wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 10:58

Would there be if enough fighters were around this weight, is it just a case of UK guys are bigger than this weight division?

Thete would be more than enough for a Commonwealth title at light fly and strawweight ... it would be great for African boxing and give sone of their fighters a pay day and opportunities at a major title.

There is a Commonwealth title at light-flyweight. It was originally meant to be on the line in the bout between Matt Windle and Neil McCubbin.

What happened?

peter barlow wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 16:17 Too many weight classes as it is especially at lower weights. Should be less if anything.

Completely disagree - boxing is a global sport and there are enough fighters at 105/108lbs (or 7st 7lbs/7st 10lbs) to justify these weight divisions - in Africa, Latin America and Asia - boxing doesn't start and end with the UK and North America.

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 03:03

peter barlow wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 16:17 Too many weight classes as it is especially at lower weights. Should be less if anything.

Completely disagree - boxing is a global sport and there are enough fighters at 105/108lbs (or 7st 7lbs/7st 10lbs) to justify these weight divisions - in Africa, Latin America and Asia - boxing doesn't start and end with the UK and North America.

Between weight class and multiple sanctioning bodies with multiple belts, it's now been watered down to the extent being a belt holder or "champion" has no meaning anymore.

If we want to give everyone a belt then it doesn't mean much.

peter barlow wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 07:47

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 03:03

peter barlow wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 16:17 Too many weight classes as it is especially at lower weights. Should be less if anything.

Completely disagree - boxing is a global sport and there are enough fighters at 105/108lbs (or 7st 7lbs/7st 10lbs) to justify these weight divisions - in Africa, Latin America and Asia - boxing doesn't start and end with the UK and North America.

Between weight class and multiple sanctioning bodies with multiple belts, it's now been watered down to the extent being a belt holder or "champion" has no meaning anymore.

If we want to give everyone a belt then it doesn't mean much.

Though I agree with your broader points - especially about 'multiple sanctioning bodies' and wish they would disappear, I completely am in favour of the light-fly/minimumweight divisions.

We have to remember that places like the Philippines don't have many boxers fighting at light heavyweight or above - boxing to them are the lower weight classes, same for a lot of proper boxing countries and a lot of these countries have tiny men who can make 7st 7lbs - you're not going to see many minimumweight fights in the UK but you will see plenty in Japan, South Africa and Mexico.

At the moment there are 169 active minimumweights in the world and 289 light flyweights - and though there are weight divisions which could be eliminated (super middleweight and bridgerweight...) I think minimumweight and light flyweight should stay for the reasons I have stated.

Do you think the Lonsdale belt should be restricted to so many divisions, like 7 or 8, this would then create more competition and Lonsdale belts been given away

Think Junior Witter was awarded a Lonsdale belt due to the lack of suitable challengers as well

Foggy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 12:21 Do you think the Lonsdale belt should be restricted to so many divisions, like 7 or 8, this would then create more competition and Lonsdale belts been given away

Which 7 or 8 would you include?

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 03:01

Greg Houston wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 02:33

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 13:34
Thete would be more than enough for a Commonwealth title at light fly and strawweight ... it would be great for African boxing and give sone of their fighters a pay day and opportunities at a major title.

There is a Commonwealth title at light-flyweight. It was originally meant to be on the line in the bout between Matt Windle and Neil McCubbin.

What happened?

I'm not fully sure. It just got changed to an eliminator the week of the show. Still a great fight.

peter barlow wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 07:47

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 03:03

peter barlow wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 16:17 Too many weight classes as it is especially at lower weights. Should be less if anything.

Completely disagree - boxing is a global sport and there are enough fighters at 105/108lbs (or 7st 7lbs/7st 10lbs) to justify these weight divisions - in Africa, Latin America and Asia - boxing doesn't start and end with the UK and North America.

Between weight class and multiple sanctioning bodies with multiple belts, it's now been watered down to the extent being a belt holder or "champion" has no meaning anymore.

If we want to give everyone a belt then it doesn't mean much.

It's the multiple sanctioning bodies with multiple belts at every weight that is the problem.

Nothing wrong with the number of weight classes.

And regarding Lonsdale belts. In my opinion, if there are two domestic guys who have proven to be at least British title level at ANY recognised weight class and are meeting for the British title then why wouldn't a Lonsdale belt be on the line?

Giancarlo wrote: ↑01 Sep 2021, 02:52

peter barlow wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 07:47

Fray Bentos wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 03:03

Completely disagree - boxing is a global sport and there are enough fighters at 105/108lbs (or 7st 7lbs/7st 10lbs) to justify these weight divisions - in Africa, Latin America and Asia - boxing doesn't start and end with the UK and North America.

Between weight class and multiple sanctioning bodies with multiple belts, it's now been watered down to the extent being a belt holder or "champion" has no meaning anymore.

If we want to give everyone a belt then it doesn't mean much.

It's the multiple sanctioning bodies with multiple belts at every weight that is the problem.

Nothing wrong with the number of weight classes.

And regarding Lonsdale belts. In my opinion, if there are two domestic guys who have proven to be at least British title level at ANY recognised weight class and are meeting for the British title then why wouldn't a Lonsdale belt be on the line?

Completely agree, Giancarlo!

I think Australia has a minimumweight title - they lay dormant until two qualified fighters can contest the title. I would love to see more British fighters at that weight (and light-fly) and the reason why a lot of them don't turn over is because of the lack of domestic title opportunities on the line.

Those weight divisions (and the heavyweights funnily enough...) are my favourite weight divisons - see some cracking domestic scraps at flyweight and below.

Coco wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 13:46

Foggy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 12:21 Do you think the Lonsdale belt should be restricted to so many divisions, like 7 or 8, this would then create more competition and Lonsdale belts been given away

Which 7 or 8 would you include?

Fly
Bantam
Feather
Lightweight
Welter
Middle
Super middle
Light heavy
Heavyweight

Possibly scrap super middle - only put this in because it seems to be the most successful division for Brits

I just think less divisions you have the more British titles fights you would see as we have discussed above lack of competition

Foggy wrote: ↑01 Sep 2021, 04:24

Coco wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 13:46

Foggy wrote: ↑31 Aug 2021, 12:21 Do you think the Lonsdale belt should be restricted to so many divisions, like 7 or 8, this would then create more competition and Lonsdale belts been given away

Which 7 or 8 would you include?

Fly
Bantam
Feather
Lightweight
Welter
Middle
Super middle
Light heavy
Heavyweight

Possibly scrap super middle - only put this in because it seems to be the most successful division for Brits

I just think less divisions you have the more British titles fights you would see as we have discussed above lack of competition

Or unfortunately it would give promoters more opportunity to duck fighting for these titles.