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Porter is milking it if you ask me.
He's only 33 in one of the most exciting divisions in boxing.

He's almost a fulltime commentator now, I don't blame him.

Evander wrote: ↑11 Sep 2021, 00:42 Porter is milking it if you ask me.
He's only 33 in one of the most exciting divisions in boxing.

Based on the proposed date of the Porter bout, Terence Crawford would have only fought once within two years.

This applies to Errol Spence Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Mikey Garcia and Keith Thurman.

I could also name fighters from other weight divisions that have been as inactive as Porter, such as Sergey Kovalev, Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev.

Therefore, why single out Porter for your criticism?

COVID has been a factor for sure, but the welterweight division is dead until the super talented young guns like Boots get a title shot.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑11 Sep 2021, 03:51

Evander wrote: ↑11 Sep 2021, 00:42 Porter is milking it if you ask me.
He's only 33 in one of the most exciting divisions in boxing.

Based on the proposed date of the Porter bout, Terence Crawford would have only fought once within two years.

This applies to Errol Spence Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Mikey Garcia and Keith Thurman.

I could also name fighters from other weight divisions that have been as inactive as Porter, such as Sergey Kovalev, Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev.

Therefore, why single out Porter for your criticism?

I think his style is more suited toward the age he's currently at and younger not older, he should get a move on.

Should have purse bids with crawford in the next few days. So Hopefuly that fight happens. And if it dosent porter might fight for a vacant title depending on who pulls out.

The welterweight division has gone to sleep.

Pbc is broke, almost all of their fighters are inactive or facing nobodies.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021, 13:54 Pbc is broke, almost all of their fighters are inactive or facing nobodies.

I performed some research a couple of years or so ago and worked out (at the time) that the PBC stable had roughly 200 fighters, with fifty of them rated in the top ten of their respective divisions by ESPN and/or The RING, as well as 16 world champions possessing titles from the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO.

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If I performed a similar analysis today, the results won't be too dissimilar.

To be fair, if you take a look at the PBC's stable of welterweights, Al Haymon's matchmakers have orchestrated lots of decent bouts.

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The PBC/Fox/Showtime have staged fewer events over the last 18 months, but so have Top Rank/ESPN and GBP/Matchroom/DAZN.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 14:21

He goes through all that effort for you.. and you just

1 fight in 2 years ain't the best.
Thing is, I don't put Porter in the "wasted prime" catalogue. Mainly because at 33 its gone already and he has had some tough high level fights.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 15:15

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 14:21

He goes through all that effort for you.. and you just

I rarely read anything he writes.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 15:15

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 14:21

He goes through all that effort for you.. and you just

Providing two links to old posts doesn't require much effort, does it?

And let's face it, I've just decimated Onetimeonly's claims, haven't it?

One final thing, if I intentionally posted a controversial lie, Onetimeonly would be all over it like a red rag to a bull.

He only ignores what he can't refute.

Pbc is out of money. Its why andy ruiz is a ppv fighter
Maybe things are finally looking up....

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 22:11 Pbc is out of money. Its why andy ruiz is a ppv fighter
Maybe things are finally looking up....

A lot of their fighters are PPV. Remember a few years back. The only PBC fighter that was PPV was Mayweather. And he only claimed to be ‘advised’ by Al.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 22:11 Pbc is out of money. Its why andy ruiz is a ppv fighter
Maybe things are finally looking up....

Bizarre why someone would care but it's crystal clear they're broke. The garbage they're putting on fox is wild. I usually don't even know it's on.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 22:11 Pbc is out of money. Its why andy ruiz is a ppv fighter
Maybe things are finally looking up....

Didn't the Ruiz-Arreola fight do similar numbers than the Crawford-Khan PPV? Not identical, but in the same realm.

And weren't the numbers for the Ruiz-Arreola fight around 2.5 to 3 times better than Crawford-Postol?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 03:58

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 22:11 Pbc is out of money. Its why andy ruiz is a ppv fighter
Maybe things are finally looking up....

Didn't the Ruiz-Arreola fight do similar numbers than the Crawford-Khan PPV? Not identical, but in the same realm.

And weren't the numbers for the Ruiz-Arreola fight around 2.5 to 3 times better than Crawford-Postol?

I know this is hard, but two things can simultaneously be true. Pbc CAN be out of money and Crawford can blow at drawing ppv numbers

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 09:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 03:58

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Sep 2021, 22:11 Pbc is out of money. Its why andy ruiz is a ppv fighter
Maybe things are finally looking up....

Didn't the Ruiz-Arreola fight do similar numbers than the Crawford-Khan PPV? Not identical, but in the same realm.

And weren't the numbers for the Ruiz-Arreola fight around 2.5 to 3 times better than Crawford-Postol?

I know this is hard, but two things can simultaneously be true. Pbc CAN be out of money and Crawford can blow at drawing ppv numbers

Where do you get your info. to prove the PBC has ran out of money though? Is this an opinion piece or have you seen their financials?

This isn't me being cheeky or argumentative, instead I'm trying to understand how you've formulated your opinion.

Two durable fleshy Californian-Mexican heavyweights with crowd-pleasing fighting styles competing a few days prior to Cinco De Mayo.

Both guys were hometown fighters competing in their own backyard, with the vast majority of the men appearing on the entire fight card either had Mexican blood or spoke Spanish.

The event generated roughly $6.5m in PPV revenue, excluding gate receipts and other sources of income. The purse total of the entire fight card was roughly $2.5m.

It doesn't really sound like a pointless business venture to me.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 09:13

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 09:05

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 03:58
Didn't the Ruiz-Arreola fight do similar numbers than the Crawford-Khan PPV? Not identical, but in the same realm.

And weren't the numbers for the Ruiz-Arreola fight around 2.5 to 3 times better than Crawford-Postol?

I know this is hard, but two things can simultaneously be true. Pbc CAN be out of money and Crawford can blow at drawing ppv numbers

Where do you get your info. to prove the PBC has ran out of money though? Is this an opinion piece or have you seen their financials?

This isn't me being cheeky or argumentative, instead I'm trying to understand how you've formulated your opinion.

Two durable fleshy Californian-Mexican heavyweights with crowd-pleasing fighting styles competing a few days prior to Cinco De Mayo.

Both guys were competing in their own backyard, with the vast majority of the men appearing on the entire fight card either had Mexican blood or spoke Spanish.

The PPV generate roughly $6.5m in PPV revenue, excluding gate receipts. It doesn't really sound like a pointless business venture to me.

You can figure it out
Do the math
Take the pbc investment money and eatimate the losses. Read the tea leaves when you see broadcast partners looking to cut deals. Look at the guarantees and putting fighters like the charlos and ruiz on ppv

You do not work in anything that takes this kind of thiught process. That is ok we are all different

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 09:26 You can figure it out
Do the math
Take the pbc investment money and eatimate the losses. Read the tea leaves when you see broadcast partners looking to cut deals. Look at the guarantees and putting fighters like the charlos and ruiz on ppv

You do not work in anything that takes this kind of thiught process. That is ok we are all different

So you’re admitting to formulating an opinion based on nothing whatsoever?

For sure, the PBC wasted a lot of money on unsuccessful time-buy deals with various networks when it initially launched.

And prior to 2018, a lot of fight fans were quite rightly speculating about the imminent demise of the PBC, but then they signed lucrative deals with Showtime and Fox. It’s been smooth sailing since then.

It’s important to note that the same boxing insider allegedly claiming that Fox were considering terminating their deal prematurely, has also claimed that the PBC will simply hook up with CBS instead.

I don’t believe that PPV’s are an indication that the PBC is struggling with finances.

I really don’t know what to say, you’ve formulated an opinion based on an uneducated assumption!

For the record, the PBC might fail at some point in the future, because it can happen to all businesses, but I’m not a religious guy – I don’t make predictions based on faith alone, which is precisely what you have done.

If you could furnish the forum with some evidence to support your assertion, then I might even agree with you, but you can’t, because you haven’t done any research!

Tell me I’m wrong and provide your reasoning, something other than a three letter acronym.

Let’s start with the Ruiz Jr.-Arreola PPV event.

The PPV generated roughly $6.5m in PPV revenue, excluding gate receipts and other sources of income. The cost of the entire fight card was roughly $2.5m.

Thoughts?

its disgusting how ppl criticize pbc