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Joe Joyce has just been interviewed by iFL TV and he claims that Luis “King Kong” Ortiz declined the opportunity to fight him.

He also said that the fight was offered to Joseph Parker, but the Kiwi declined it, in preference to engaging in the Dereck Chisora rematch instead.

I’m less bothered about Parker rejecting the Joyce bout, because he was inevitably going to be facing Chisora again.

But I am annoyed about Luis Ortiz rejecting another big fight.

The Cuban hype job claims all his rivals are ducking him, but yet he’s turned down opportunities to fight Dillian Whyte, Anthony Joshua and Joe Joyce.

This makes me wonder whether Luis Ortiz is being reserved for Andy Ruiz Jr., to become the sacrificial lamb used to propel the Mexican-American chubster to the front of the title shot queue.

Thoughts?

Ortiz is 42 years old, let him be

Just pretend Ortiz is retired. Same with pulev. They’re I’ll never win another meaningful fight.

Ortiz is a PBC patsy diver now. He's only used by haymon to build up wilder and his other pbc fraud heavyweights. Ortiz has nothing left and would be destroyed by Whyte, Joyce, AJ, Hrgovic, or any real heavyweight haymon can't buy off.

Ortiz is now strictly just a pbc pawn to serve the haymon pbc agenda. he will be kept in house.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 07:27 Joe Joyce has just been interviewed by iFL TV and he claims that Luis “King Kong” Ortiz declined the opportunity to fight him.

He also said that the fight was offered to Joseph Parker, but the Kiwi declined it, in preference to engaging in the Dereck Chisora rematch instead.

I’m less bothered about Parker rejecting the Joyce bout, because he was inevitably going to be facing Chisora again.

But I am annoyed about Luis Ortiz rejecting another big fight.

The Cuban hype job claims all his rivals are ducking him, but yet he’s turned down opportunities to fight Dillian Whyte, Anthony Joshua and Joe Joyce.

This makes me wonder whether Luis Ortiz is being reserved for Andy Ruiz Jr., to become the sacrificial lamb used to propel the Mexican-American chubster to the front of the title shot queue.

Thoughts?

I doubt if this is true. Joyce called out Ortiz 2 yrs ago, Ortiz accepted, then Sanchez said Joyce wasn't ready for Ortiz.

lol ortiz

'i fight aj, any time, any place, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'uuuuh, umm, uuuh, well.....'

i wonder what bum ortiz has lined up next, hard to get worse than his last, but he did fight danny martz a few years ago

Ortiz is a one of the biggest wasted potentials. What this f*cker thinks? A title shot? He's an old fart, he should cash out against anybody decent, while he still can walk and throw punches without falling down. Show him Holy vs Belfort, he'll be like that soon.

i guess it's hard for ortiz to consistently fight anyone worth a damn when he has bandog hanging onto his balls, that's gotta slow him down

Cent0089 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 07:52 Ortiz is 42 years old, let him be

Joyce needs more testing opposition and Ortiz needs less.

Of course, a 28 year old Ortiz beats not only Joyce, but most, if not all of the current top ten.

Perhaps it's time someone questioned the wisdom of paying to see boxers well past their prime used as stepping stones.

Perhaps Luis Ortiz himself is doing exactly that?

In a perfect world both Joyce and Whyte would get a fight against the losers of the AJ/Usyk and Wilder/Fury fights.

But they won't, and everyone here knows it.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 12:27

Cent0089 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 07:52 Ortiz is 42 years old, let him be

Joyce needs more testing opposition and Ortiz needs less.

Of course, a 28 year old Ortiz beats not only Joyce, but most, if not all of the current top ten.

Perhaps it's time someone questioned the wisdom of paying to see boxers well past their prime used as stepping stones.

Perhaps Luis Ortiz himself is doing exactly that?

In a perfect world both Joyce and Whyte would get a fight against the losers of the AJ/Usyk and Wilder/Fury fights.

But they won't, and everyone here knows it.

at 28 ortiz was an amateur getting beat in cuban nationals by robert alfonso, of course he wouldnt have beat joyce, fury, aj, wilder, etc lol

dude has beat a single top 10 opponent in his entire career and that was like 6 year ago. and bryant jennings was about as good as mike perez, they literally fought to 6-6 and only a deduction decided it. thats by far the best ortiz has beaten and he's 43 soon

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 12:03 lol ortiz

'i fight aj, any time, any place, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'uuuuh, umm, uuuh, well.....'

i wonder what bum ortiz has lined up next, hard to get worse than his last, but he did fight danny martz a few years ago

Why no offer to fight AJ when he was in Hearn's stable? Besides being a short notice fight, Ortiz had a Wilder fight lined up, under PBC for I'm sure similar money. In the end it saved a lot of embarrassment for AJ huggers and Ortiz haters, since AJ was embarrassed, exposed, and stopped by a short fat kid with a 3 week camp.

gregregegg wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 07:53 Just pretend Ortiz is retired. Same with pulev. They’re I’ll never win another meaningful fight.

Yep, that's what I'm doing.
Jennings was a long time ago.
Now 43 and on heart medication.

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 14:21

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 12:03 lol ortiz

'i fight aj, any time, any place, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'uuuuh, umm, uuuh, well.....'

i wonder what bum ortiz has lined up next, hard to get worse than his last, but he did fight danny martz a few years ago

Why no offer to fight AJ when he was in Hearn's stable?

Ortiz’s performances against Dave Allen and Malik Scott were so appalling that Sky and Matchroom decided to stop working with the Cuban hype job.

Hopefully you’ll try to refute this claim, because it’ll be fun to read your counter-argument.

To be fair if I was Ortiz at his age, I wouldn't want the kind of sustained punished he'd have to take off Joyce.

Strong chin, relatively heavy hands, and relentless.

Come on grandad time to take your beating

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 14:21

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 12:03 lol ortiz

'i fight aj, any time, any place, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'uuuuh, umm, uuuh, well.....'

i wonder what bum ortiz has lined up next, hard to get worse than his last, but he did fight danny martz a few years ago

Why no offer to fight AJ when he was in Hearn's stable? Besides being a short notice fight, Ortiz had a Wilder fight lined up, under PBC for I'm sure similar money. In the end it saved a lot of embarrassment for AJ huggers and Ortiz haters, since AJ was embarrassed, exposed, and stopped by a short fat kid with a 3 week camp.

lol, he talked a big game and then someone called him on it and he shut up like a b!tch

he failed to stop stop malik scott, a guy del boy iced in 6, and matchroom dumped him because he was so unimpressive. its funny how wilder fans feel obliged to massively overrate and be on ortiz's nuts.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 17:47

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 14:21

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 12:03 lol ortiz

'i fight aj, any time, any place, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'uuuuh, umm, uuuh, well.....'

i wonder what bum ortiz has lined up next, hard to get worse than his last, but he did fight danny martz a few years ago

Why no offer to fight AJ when he was in Hearn's stable?

Ortiz’s performances against Dave Allen and Malik Scott were so appalling that Sky and Matchroom decided to stop working with the Cuban hype job.

Hopefully you’ll try to refute this claim, because it’ll be fun to read your counter-argument.

His performance in those fights made Rigo's career look entertaining.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 17:47

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 14:21

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 12:03 lol ortiz

'i fight aj, any time, any place, any money!!'

gets huge offer

'uuuuh, umm, uuuh, well.....'

i wonder what bum ortiz has lined up next, hard to get worse than his last, but he did fight danny martz a few years ago

Why no offer to fight AJ when he was in Hearn's stable?

Ortiz’s performances against Dave Allen and Malik Scott were so appalling that Sky and Matchroom decided to stop working with the Cuban hype job.

Hopefully you’ll try to refute this claim, because it’ll be fun to read your counter-argument.

I didn't see the Allen fight, but know it ended up being stopped. Scott just ran around after being knocked down several times, and should have been DQ'd for refusing to fight. During this time, for two years, Ortiz was the interim WBA champ. They couldn't get him any better opponents than that? I believe he was in Hearn's stable then.

Bandog wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 11:22

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 17:47

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Sep 2021, 14:21

Why no offer to fight AJ when he was in Hearn's stable?

Ortiz’s performances against Dave Allen and Malik Scott were so appalling that Sky and Matchroom decided to stop working with the Cuban hype job.

Hopefully you’ll try to refute this claim, because it’ll be fun to read your counter-argument.

I didn't see the Allen fight, but know it ended up being stopped. Scott just ran around after being knocked down several times, and should have been DQ'd for refusing to fight. During this time, for two years, Ortiz was the interim WBA champ. They couldn't get him any better opponents than that? I believe he was in Hearn's stable then.

Luis Ortiz failed a drug test after a 2014 win over Lateef Kayode.

And he failed another drug test during November 2017, when he was not only the mandatory challenger for Anthony Joshua's WBA title, but also a month prior to his WBC title shot against Deontay Wilder.

'The Bronze Bomber' ended up performing a farcial WBC mandatory defence against his substitute opponent, Bermane Stiverne instead.

Luis Ortiz eventually fought Wilder during 2018, ducking the Joshua fight in 2019 in order to accept a much smaller payday to engage in the rematch against 'The Bronze Bomber'.

Luis Ortiz only worked with Matchroom for two fights (over the course of one month) and delivered embarrassingly dire performances, which compelled Eddie Hearn and Sky to stop working with the Cuban hype-job.

Luis Ortiz also rejected offers from Matchroom to face Dillian Whyte.

And now we're hearing about the so-called fearsome Luis 'king Kong' Ortiz rejecting the Joe Joyce fight.

We're only a few months away from the sixth anniversary of Luis Ortiz career-best victory over Bryant Jennings!

Delivering poor performances, rejecting opportunities to engage in marquee bouts, failing multiple drug tests, constantly engaging in mismatches against journeymen, as well as his team refraining from offering fights against the Cuban’s big-name rivals, are the real reasons why Luis Ortiz is considered a hype job.

Of course, you're going to tell me I'm talking nonsense, but that's just the way you are.

Otto Wallin has just gone on record to state that he was in deep negotiations with Luis Ortiz immediately prior to being offered the Dillian Whyte fight.

Apparently Otto Wallin accepted the terms and signed the contract, which had already been agreed to by both sides, when the Cuban’s team decided to walk away from the fight.

This led to Otto being compelled to face Dillian Whyte instead.

So Luis Ortiz has rejected bouts against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joe Joyce, Dillian Whyte and now Otto Wallin.

anyone who still believes ortiz's shtick is a tool

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 14:05 Otto Wallin has just gone on record to state that he was in deep negotiations with Luis Ortiz immediately prior to being offered the Dillian Whyte fight.

Apparently Otto Wallin accepted the terms and signed the contract, which had already been agreed to by both sides, when the Cuban’s team decided to walk away from the fight.

This led to Otto being compelled to face Dillian Whyte instead.

So Luis Ortiz has rejected bouts against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joe Joyce, Dillian Whyte and now Otto Wallin.

He can't take a fight mid-cycle

joshj909 wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 17:17

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 14:05 Otto Wallin has just gone on record to state that he was in deep negotiations with Luis Ortiz immediately prior to being offered the Dillian Whyte fight.

Apparently Otto Wallin accepted the terms and signed the contract, which had already been agreed to by both sides, when the Cuban’s team decided to walk away from the fight.

This led to Otto being compelled to face Dillian Whyte instead.

So Luis Ortiz has rejected bouts against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Joe Joyce, Dillian Whyte and now Otto Wallin.

He can't take a fight mid-cycle

Ignore is a nice feature.

Luis Ortiz: Joe Joyce is a Liar, He Never Made an Offer

Ortiz couldn’t help but shake his head.

“Joe Joyce is a liar and it’s very embarrassing to him as a man and as a boxer because at no time has he spoke to me, or Jay Jimenez (his manager) or his coach Herman Caicedo,” Ortiz told Boxing Scene.

“We at King Kong’s boxing camp would love to know who this little ego man spoke to and why would he lie when he knows full well Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz has never turned down a fight in his life. Our camps don’t even have communication or even have each other’s number.”

Bandog wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 09:43 Ignore is a nice feature.

I don't use it but i guess it's one way of avoiding unpalatable facts so I can see why you'd think so.