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Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:01**

Let's face it, Usyk beat Joshua with ease, Hunter is a top 10 HW now, Gassiev will be too, Briedis could be too if he moved there, all this ''those little guys stand no chance vs super heavies'' is nonsense. These CW's can fight in HW at 220-225lbs without rehydration and without losing their advantages. Bridgerweight is useless, no need for it.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:12**

aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:01 Let's face it, Usyk beat Joshua with ease, Hunter is a top 10 HW now, Gassiev will be too, Briedis could be too if he moved there, all this ''those little guys stand no chance vs super heavies''. These CW's can fight in HW at 220-225lbs without rehydration and without losing their advantages. Bridgerweight is useless, no need for it.

How many fighters below 225lbs have won world heavyweight title fights within the last decade?

I'll let you in on a little secret, the answer is seven, which means that from a statistical perspective, it's an extremely rare occurrence. Only Wilder and Usyk scored these victories.

Exceptions happen in all aspects of life, otherwise the word wouldn't exist.

However, exceptions don't undermine the general rule.

Claiming that size doesn't matter and that small heavyweights weighting less than 225lbs regularly win world titles at heavyweight are horrendously dishonest lies!

Oleksandr Usyk's accomplishment tonight was fantastic and also phenominally rare!

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:15**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:12
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:01 Let's face it, Usyk beat Joshua with ease, Hunter is a top 10 HW now, Gassiev will be too, Briedis could be too if he moved there, all this ''those little guys stand no chance vs super heavies''. These CW's can fight in HW at 220-225lbs without rehydration and without losing their advantages. Bridgerweight is useless, no need for it.
How many fighters below 225lbs have won world heavyweight title fights within the last decade?

I'll let you in on a little secret, the answer is seven, which means that from a statistical perspective, it's an extremely rare occurrence. Only Wilder and Usyk scored these victories.

Exceptions happen in all aspects of life, otherwise the word wouldn't exist.

However, exceptions don't undermine the general rule.

Claiming that size doesn't matter and that small heavyweights weighting less than 225lbs regularly win world titles at heavyweight are horrendously dishonest lies!

Oleksandr Usyk's accomplishment tonight was fantastic and also phenominally rare!

Now, what is the percentage of fighters who fight weighing 225lbs or below at HW? These guys can compete at HW with success, end of story.

No one said that size doesn't matter but it's not everything, in fact it's far from it.

Usyk, Wilder, Haye, Povetkin... quite a lot of decent <225lbs fighters in the ''super-heavyweight'' era considering what % of total fighters they make

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:18**

there's been many non giants to contend or win belts over the last decade and a bit

pov, chagev, haye, brewster, peter, usyk, byrd, adamek, ruiz, kownacki, hunter, chisora, ruiz, rahman, ibragimov, stiverne,, maskaev, chambers etc.

that said, size is defo an advantage in general and i think the results bear that out, it just isnt the be all end all and you can get exceptional smaller fighters like usyk to beat the top giants

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:24**

in 2011-2021 we had 11 champions:

Klitschkos, Haye, Stiverne, Wilder, Fury, Martin, Joshua, Parker, Ruiz and now Usyk

3 of them were the <225lbs fighters: Haye, Wilder, Usyk.

Other 2, Stiverne and Ruiz, aren't even 190cm.

Some of the best fighters who failed to get the title in recent years were Povetkin and Chagaev. There were others who tried like Adamek etc.

That's quite a lot for a Super-Heavies era

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:26**

Yep - adding an extra division between cruiser and heavyweight just dilutes the heavyweight division and is bad for boxing. Of course size matters, but there have been so many examples of great small heavyweights beating good big heavyweights throughout history and Usyk-Joshua is just another example of that.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:26**

aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:15
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:12
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:01 Let's face it, Usyk beat Joshua with ease, Hunter is a top 10 HW now, Gassiev will be too, Briedis could be too if he moved there, all this ''those little guys stand no chance vs super heavies''. These CW's can fight in HW at 220-225lbs without rehydration and without losing their advantages. Bridgerweight is useless, no need for it.
How many fighters below 225lbs have won world heavyweight title fights within the last decade?

I'll let you in on a little secret, the answer is seven, which means that from a statistical perspective, it's an extremely rare occurrence. Only Wilder and Usyk scored these victories.

Exceptions happen in all aspects of life, otherwise the word wouldn't exist.

However, exceptions don't undermine the general rule.

Claiming that size doesn't matter and that small heavyweights weighting less than 225lbs regularly win world titles at heavyweight are horrendously dishonest lies!

Oleksandr Usyk's accomplishment tonight was fantastic and also phenominally rare!
Now, what is the percentage of fighters who fight weighing 225lbs or below at HW? These guys can compete at HW with success, end of story.

No one said that size doesn't matter but it's not everything, in fact it's far from it.

Usyk, Wilder, Haye, Povetkin... quite a lot of decent <225lbs fighters in the ''super-heavyweight'' era considering what % of total fighters they make

Povetkin never won a world title fight weighing less than 225lbs. And David Haye hasn't achieved anything within the sport within the last decade, definitely not a title fight.

Like I said before, from a statistical perspective it's extremely rare for any fighter to successfully compete in world title fights weighing less than 225lbs.

If you're confident I'm wrong, we can talk about the numbers. I already have them to hand, but I'll let you pose your counter-argument before providing them.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:31**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:26
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:15
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:12
How many fighters below 225lbs have won world heavyweight title fights within the last decade?

I'll let you in on a little secret, the answer is seven, which means that from a statistical perspective, it's an extremely rare occurrence. Only Wilder and Usyk scored these victories.

Exceptions happen in all aspects of life, otherwise the word wouldn't exist.

However, exceptions don't undermine the general rule.

Claiming that size doesn't matter and that small heavyweights weighting less than 225lbs regularly win world titles at heavyweight are horrendously dishonest lies!

Oleksandr Usyk's accomplishment tonight was fantastic and also phenominally rare!
Now, what is the percentage of fighters who fight weighing 225lbs or below at HW? These guys can compete at HW with success, end of story.

No one said that size doesn't matter but it's not everything, in fact it's far from it.

Usyk, Wilder, Haye, Povetkin... quite a lot of decent <225lbs fighters in the ''super-heavyweight'' era considering what % of total fighters they make
Povetkin never won a world title fight weighing less than 225lbs. And David Haye hasn't achieved anything within the sport within the last decade, definitely not a title fight.

Like I said before, from a statistical perspective it's extremely rare for any fighter to successfully compete in world title fights weighing less than 225lbs.

If you're confident I'm wrong, we can talk about the numbers. I already have them to hand, but I'll let you pose your counter-argument before providing them.

He was still a champion though in 2011. I have never said that Povetkin won a title, in fact, I have said total opposite.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:32**

aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:24 in 2011-2021 we had 11 champions:

Klitschkos, Haye, Stiverne, Wilder, Fury, Martin, Joshua, Parker, Ruiz and now Usyk

3 of them were the <225lbs fighters: Haye, Wilder, Usyk.

Other 2, Stiverne and Ruiz, aren't even 190cm.

Some of the best fighters who failed to get the title in recent years were Povetkin and Chagaev. There were others who tried like Adamek etc.

That's quite a lot for a Super-Heavies era

They needed you in the meeting explaining why bridgerweight is trash. Also, AJ is one of there poster boy giants, but he could very very easily make bridgerweight anyway...

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:34**

You clearly don't know how statistics work.

If say <225lbs fighters make 30% of all fighters, and 27% of the recent champions were the <225lbs fighters, it tells that size is an advantage, but not big enough that we need other categories, that the <255lbs can't compete at the very top level etc.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:36**

jezzamundo wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:26 Yep - adding an extra division between cruiser and heavyweight just dilutes the heavyweight division and is bad for boxing. Of course size matters, but there have been so many examples of great small heavyweights beating good big heavyweights throughout history and Usyk-Joshua is just another example of that.

Wow, you're back! Nice to see you, hope to see you voting in the BoxRec HW Top 15 ranking

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:43**

aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:31
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:26
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:15

Now, what is the percentage of fighters who fight weighing 225lbs or below at HW? These guys can compete at HW with success, end of story.

No one said that size doesn't matter but it's not everything, in fact it's far from it.

Usyk, Wilder, Haye, Povetkin... quite a lot of decent <225lbs fighters in the ''super-heavyweight'' era considering what % of total fighters they make
Povetkin never won a world title fight weighing less than 225lbs. And David Haye hasn't achieved anything within the sport within the last decade, definitely not a title fight.

Like I said before, from a statistical perspective it's extremely rare for any fighter to successfully compete in world title fights weighing less than 225lbs.

If you're confident I'm wrong, we can talk about the numbers. I already have them to hand, but I'll let you pose your counter-argument before providing them.
He was still a champion though in 2011. I have never said that Povetkin won a title, in fact, I have said total opposite.

This is the third time I'm going to say this...

David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

You're welcome to pretend otherwise, but it simply didn't happen... in this version of reality!!!

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:45**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:43
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:31
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:26
Povetkin never won a world title fight weighing less than 225lbs. And David Haye hasn't achieved anything within the sport within the last decade, definitely not a title fight.

Like I said before, from a statistical perspective it's extremely rare for any fighter to successfully compete in world title fights weighing less than 225lbs.

If you're confident I'm wrong, we can talk about the numbers. I already have them to hand, but I'll let you pose your counter-argument before providing them.
He was still a champion though in 2011. I have never said that Povetkin won a title, in fact, I have said total opposite.
This is the third time I'm going to say this...

David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

You're welcome to pretend otherwise, but it simply didn't happen... in this version of reality!!!

He did, he was a WBA champ when there was no WBA Super title. He won it vs Valuev and lost it to Wlad.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:48**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:43
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:31
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:26
Povetkin never won a world title fight weighing less than 225lbs. And David Haye hasn't achieved anything within the sport within the last decade, definitely not a title fight.

Like I said before, from a statistical perspective it's extremely rare for any fighter to successfully compete in world title fights weighing less than 225lbs.

If you're confident I'm wrong, we can talk about the numbers. I already have them to hand, but I'll let you pose your counter-argument before providing them.
He was still a champion though in 2011. I have never said that Povetkin won a title, in fact, I have said total opposite.
This is the third time I'm going to say this...

David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

You're welcome to pretend otherwise, but it simply didn't happen... in this version of reality!!!

IS this an EO special. Irrefutable fact? while you are quite knowledgeable, i would back my man aicheligad to refute this. he is smart.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:53**

gregregegg wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:48
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:43
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:31

He was still a champion though in 2011. I have never said that Povetkin won a title, in fact, I have said total opposite.
This is the third time I'm going to say this...

David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

You're welcome to pretend otherwise, but it simply didn't happen... in this version of reality!!!
IS this an EO special. Irrefutable fact? while you are quite knowledgeable, i would back my man aicheligad to refute this. he is smart.

He kinda admitted that he has his own version of reality

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:56**

aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:34 You clearly don't know how statistics work.

If say <225lbs fighters make 30% of all fighters, and 27% of the recent champions were the <225lbs fighters, it tells that size is an advantage, but not big enough that we need other categories, that the <255lbs can't compete at the very top level etc.

Those percentages are pure bὗḻḻṡḣḭṫ!

In 2017, I performed some research and produced a list of the physical dimensions of the top-60 BoxRec ranked heavyweights, which won't be dissimilar from today's rankings:

• Anthony Joshua (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Deontay Wilder (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Luis Ortiz (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kubrat Pulev (Height = 6'4½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Alexander Povetkin (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Charles Martin (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Joseph Parker (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Christian Hammer (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Erkan Teper (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Malik Scott (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Lucas Browne (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• David Haye (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Eric Molina (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Andy Ruiz Jr (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dominic Breazeale (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dillian Whyte (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Dereck Chisora (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Johann Duhaupas (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Tony Thompson (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Gerald Washington (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Adrian Granat (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Carlos Takam (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Robert Helenius (Height = 6'6½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Trevor Bryan (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jarrell Miller (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 290lbs)
• Andrey Fedosov (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Adam Kownacki (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Hughie Fury (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Andriy Rudenko (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Agit Kabayel (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Andrzej Wawrzyk (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Otto Wallin (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Oscar Rivas (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Manuel Charr (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Bogdan Dinu (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Arnold Gjergjaj (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Izuagbe Ugonoh (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Derric Rossy (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jun Long Zhang (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 280lbs)
• Dillon Carman (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Edmund Gerber (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Zhilei Zhang (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Tom Schwarz (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Odlanier Solis (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Guillermo Jones (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kyotaro Fujimoto (Height = 6'0"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Shannon Briggs (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Sergey Kuzmin (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Trey Lippe (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• David Price (Height = 6'8"; Weight = 275lbs)
• Gary Cornish (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Travis Kauffman (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Alexander Dimitrenko (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Chris Arreola (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Eugene Hill (Height = 5'11"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Chazz Witherspoon (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Mariusz Wach (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Eddie Chambers (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 220lbs)
• LaRon Mitchell (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Werner Kreiskott (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 235lbs)

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:58**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:56
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:34 You clearly don't know how statistics work.

If say <225lbs fighters make 30% of all fighters, and 27% of the recent champions were the <225lbs fighters, it tells that size is an advantage, but not big enough that we need other categories, that the <255lbs can't compete at the very top level etc.
Those percentages are pure bὗḻḻṡḣḭṫ!

In 2017, I performed some research and produced a list of the physical dimensions of the top-60 BoxRec ranked heavyweights, which won't be dissimilar from today's rankings:

• Anthony Joshua (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Deontay Wilder (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Luis Ortiz (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kubrat Pulev (Height = 6'4½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Alexander Povetkin (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Charles Martin (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Joseph Parker (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Christian Hammer (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Erkan Teper (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Malik Scott (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Lucas Browne (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• David Haye (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Eric Molina (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Andy Ruiz Jr (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dominic Breazeale (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dillian Whyte (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Dereck Chisora (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Johann Duhaupas (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Tony Thompson (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Gerald Washington (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Adrian Granat (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Carlos Takam (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Robert Helenius (Height = 6'6½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Trevor Bryan (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jarrell Miller (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 290lbs)
• Andrey Fedosov (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Adam Kownacki (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Hughie Fury (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Andriy Rudenko (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Agit Kabayel (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Andrzej Wawrzyk (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Otto Wallin (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Oscar Rivas (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Manuel Charr (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Bogdan Dinu (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Arnold Gjergjaj (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Izuagbe Ugonoh (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Derric Rossy (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jun Long Zhang (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 280lbs)
• Dillon Carman (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Edmund Gerber (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Zhilei Zhang (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Tom Schwarz (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Odlanier Solis (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Guillermo Jones (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kyotaro Fujimoto (Height = 6'0"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Shannon Briggs (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Sergey Kuzmin (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Trey Lippe (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• David Price (Height = 6'8"; Weight = 275lbs)
• Gary Cornish (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Travis Kauffman (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Alexander Dimitrenko (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Chris Arreola (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Eugene Hill (Height = 5'11"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Chazz Witherspoon (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Mariusz Wach (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Eddie Chambers (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 220lbs)
• LaRon Mitchell (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Werner Kreiskott (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 235lbs)

Wow so its much less than 30 percent bellow 225 and yet 30% of the belt winners have been. Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 20:59**

i'd eat my hat if andy ruiz was actually measured properly and proven to be 6'2

https://www.celebheights.com/s/Andy-Ruiz-Jr-51924.html

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:00**

aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:53
gregregegg wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:48
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:43
This is the third time I'm going to say this...

David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

You're welcome to pretend otherwise, but it simply didn't happen... in this version of reality!!!
IS this an EO special. Irrefutable fact? while you are quite knowledgeable, i would back my man aicheligad to refute this. he is smart.
He kinda admitted that he has his own version of reality

I said that David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

What date did David Haye lose the Klitscho bout?

What was the date of Haye's most recent world title victory at heavyweight?

If I'm so stupid and lack knowledge, then you'd answer these rather simple questions, but you won't will you?

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:03**

gregregegg wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:58
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:56
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:34 You clearly don't know how statistics work.

If say <225lbs fighters make 30% of all fighters, and 27% of the recent champions were the <225lbs fighters, it tells that size is an advantage, but not big enough that we need other categories, that the <255lbs can't compete at the very top level etc.
Those percentages are pure bὗḻḻṡḣḭṫ!

In 2017, I performed some research and produced a list of the physical dimensions of the top-60 BoxRec ranked heavyweights, which won't be dissimilar from today's rankings:

• Anthony Joshua (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Deontay Wilder (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Luis Ortiz (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kubrat Pulev (Height = 6'4½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Alexander Povetkin (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Charles Martin (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Joseph Parker (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Christian Hammer (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Erkan Teper (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Malik Scott (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Lucas Browne (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• David Haye (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Eric Molina (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Andy Ruiz Jr (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dominic Breazeale (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dillian Whyte (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Dereck Chisora (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Johann Duhaupas (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Tony Thompson (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Gerald Washington (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Adrian Granat (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Carlos Takam (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Robert Helenius (Height = 6'6½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Trevor Bryan (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jarrell Miller (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 290lbs)
• Andrey Fedosov (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Adam Kownacki (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Hughie Fury (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Andriy Rudenko (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Agit Kabayel (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Andrzej Wawrzyk (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Otto Wallin (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Oscar Rivas (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Manuel Charr (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Bogdan Dinu (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Arnold Gjergjaj (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Izuagbe Ugonoh (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Derric Rossy (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jun Long Zhang (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 280lbs)
• Dillon Carman (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Edmund Gerber (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Zhilei Zhang (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Tom Schwarz (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Odlanier Solis (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Guillermo Jones (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kyotaro Fujimoto (Height = 6'0"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Shannon Briggs (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Sergey Kuzmin (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Trey Lippe (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• David Price (Height = 6'8"; Weight = 275lbs)
• Gary Cornish (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Travis Kauffman (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Alexander Dimitrenko (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Chris Arreola (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Eugene Hill (Height = 5'11"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Chazz Witherspoon (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Mariusz Wach (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Eddie Chambers (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 220lbs)
• LaRon Mitchell (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Werner Kreiskott (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 235lbs)
Wow so its much less than 30 percent bellow 225 and yet 30% of the belt winners have been. Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

What does 30% of the belt winners mean?

Only Deontay Wilder and Oleksandr Usyk have won world title fights within the last decade weighing 225lbs or less.

And it's only been done in seven world title fights within the last decade.

Nowhere near 30%, unless you're an utterly moronic uneducated lunatic that's never received any sort of education in mathematics.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:15**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 21:03
gregregegg wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:58
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:56
Those percentages are pure bὗḻḻṡḣḭṫ!

In 2017, I performed some research and produced a list of the physical dimensions of the top-60 BoxRec ranked heavyweights, which won't be dissimilar from today's rankings:

• Anthony Joshua (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Deontay Wilder (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Luis Ortiz (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kubrat Pulev (Height = 6'4½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Alexander Povetkin (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Charles Martin (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Joseph Parker (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Christian Hammer (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Erkan Teper (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Malik Scott (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Lucas Browne (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• David Haye (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Eric Molina (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Andy Ruiz Jr (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dominic Breazeale (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dillian Whyte (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Dereck Chisora (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Johann Duhaupas (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Tony Thompson (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Gerald Washington (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Adrian Granat (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Carlos Takam (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Robert Helenius (Height = 6'6½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Trevor Bryan (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jarrell Miller (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 290lbs)
• Andrey Fedosov (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Adam Kownacki (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Hughie Fury (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Andriy Rudenko (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Agit Kabayel (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Andrzej Wawrzyk (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Otto Wallin (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Oscar Rivas (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Manuel Charr (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Bogdan Dinu (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Arnold Gjergjaj (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Izuagbe Ugonoh (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Derric Rossy (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jun Long Zhang (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 280lbs)
• Dillon Carman (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Edmund Gerber (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Zhilei Zhang (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Tom Schwarz (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Odlanier Solis (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Guillermo Jones (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kyotaro Fujimoto (Height = 6'0"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Shannon Briggs (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Sergey Kuzmin (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Trey Lippe (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• David Price (Height = 6'8"; Weight = 275lbs)
• Gary Cornish (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Travis Kauffman (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Alexander Dimitrenko (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Chris Arreola (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Eugene Hill (Height = 5'11"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Chazz Witherspoon (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Mariusz Wach (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Eddie Chambers (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 220lbs)
• LaRon Mitchell (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Werner Kreiskott (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 235lbs)
Wow so its much less than 30 percent bellow 225 and yet 30% of the belt winners have been. Thank you for proving yourself wrong.
What does 30% of the belt winners mean?

Only Deontay Wilder and Oleksandr Usyk have won world title fights within the last decade weighing 225lbs or less.

And it's only been done in seven world title fights within the last decade.

Nowhere near 30%, unless you're an utterly moronic uneducated lunatic that's never received any sort of education in mathematics.

in 2011-2021 we had 11 champions:

Klitschkos, Haye, Stiverne, Wilder, Fury, Martin, Joshua, Parker, Ruiz and now Usyk

ok fine i didnt add up to get my 30 %. lets do it now. its 3/11 counting haye, or 2/10 not. so alright its 20-27% depending on how you divide it.

your list had 3/60 being in that weight range.... so 5%... so really 225 and below heavyweights have a huge statistical tendancy to be world champions....

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:21**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:56
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:34 You clearly don't know how statistics work.

If say <225lbs fighters make 30% of all fighters, and 27% of the recent champions were the <225lbs fighters, it tells that size is an advantage, but not big enough that we need other categories, that the <255lbs can't compete at the very top level etc.
Those percentages are pure bὗḻḻṡḣḭṫ!

In 2017, I performed some research and produced a list of the physical dimensions of the top-60 BoxRec ranked heavyweights, which won't be dissimilar from today's rankings:

• Anthony Joshua (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Deontay Wilder (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Luis Ortiz (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kubrat Pulev (Height = 6'4½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Alexander Povetkin (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Charles Martin (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Joseph Parker (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Christian Hammer (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Erkan Teper (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Malik Scott (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Lucas Browne (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• David Haye (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Eric Molina (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Andy Ruiz Jr (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dominic Breazeale (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Dillian Whyte (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Dereck Chisora (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Johann Duhaupas (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Tony Thompson (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 265lbs)
• Gerald Washington (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Adrian Granat (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Carlos Takam (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Robert Helenius (Height = 6'6½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Trevor Bryan (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jarrell Miller (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 290lbs)
• Andrey Fedosov (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 225lbs)
• Adam Kownacki (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Hughie Fury (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Andriy Rudenko (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Agit Kabayel (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Andrzej Wawrzyk (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Otto Wallin (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Oscar Rivas (Height = 6'0½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Manuel Charr (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Bogdan Dinu (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Arnold Gjergjaj (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Izuagbe Ugonoh (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Derric Rossy (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Jun Long Zhang (Height = 6'3½"; Weight = 280lbs)
• Dillon Carman (Height = 6'5"; Weight = 250lbs)
• Edmund Gerber (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Zhilei Zhang (Height = 6'6"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Tom Schwarz (Height = 6'5½"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Odlanier Solis (Height = 6'1½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Guillermo Jones (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Kyotaro Fujimoto (Height = 6'0"; Weight = 230lbs)
• Shannon Briggs (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Sergey Kuzmin (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Trey Lippe (Height = 6'2"; Weight = 230lbs)
• David Price (Height = 6'8"; Weight = 275lbs)
• Gary Cornish (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Travis Kauffman (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 240lbs)
• Alexander Dimitrenko (Height = 6'7"; Weight = 255lbs)
• Chris Arreola (Height = 6'3"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Eugene Hill (Height = 5'11"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Chazz Witherspoon (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 235lbs)
• Mariusz Wach (Height = 6'7½"; Weight = 260lbs)
• Eddie Chambers (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 220lbs)
• LaRon Mitchell (Height = 6'4"; Weight = 245lbs)
• Werner Kreiskott (Height = 6'1"; Weight = 235lbs)

You have listed Povetkin at 230lbs when in fact, his average weight in 2017 was 225lbs, and he surpassed 230lbs only twice, his career average would be surely <225lbs.

We have Chambers, Fedosov, Haye, okay, let's see who else is on that list.

Another one, Trey Lippe, who even fought at as low as 215lbs.

Kreiskott fought multiple times below 225lbs, at even as low as 210lbs

Kyotaro Fujimoto isn't a good example to prove against what I'm saying.

6'6/198cm Hughie Fury was able to make 217lbs. Most of the guys above would weight 10, 15 or even 20lbs less if they were actually in shape, they usually aren't though. The sight of HW fighters with too much fat around their belly isn't uncommon. Fighters like Perez or Szpilka made CW limit with ease after years spent at HW.

Look at Arreola, he was 228lbs, much less than his career average and looked quite good for a fighter his age.

Guillermo Jones fought at CW and even at as low as WW!

Ugonoh, another ex CW.

Scott, another guy who proved to be able to make <225lbs.

We had guys like Glazkov, Adamek, Cunningham etc not that much earlier before your list was made.

Top 10, if not top 15 or even 20 Cruiserweight would beat at least one guy from that list surely therefore they should be added. Not all of them are at HW because OF COURSE size matters, simply not that much. They often prefer to compete for titles there than be top 10-15 at HW, that's it.

Usyk could be 240, or even 250lbs if he spent more time in McDonalds instead at the gym. And he could still defeat top 15, or even top 10 HW's! Wouldn't a 240/250lbs Usyk beat Martin, Teper, Hammer, Browne or Molina, all of whom are listed in top 15 of your list? My guess is he would. He's <225lbs though because he's in shape, unlike most of the HWs, who easily could make this limit, and often it would be profitable for them, they're simply too lazy.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:23**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 21:00
aicheligad wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:53
gregregegg wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 20:48

IS this an EO special. Irrefutable fact? while you are quite knowledgeable, i would back my man aicheligad to refute this. he is smart.
He kinda admitted that he has his own version of reality
I said that David Haye has never held any version of the world heavyweight title within the last decade.

What date did David Haye lose the Klitscho bout?

What was the date of Haye's most recent world title victory at heavyweight?

If I'm so stupid and lack knowledge, then you'd answer these rather simple questions, but you won't will you?

In 2011. So yeah, he actually was a champion in the past decade. And he defeated a lot heavier Chisora in the same decade.

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:25**

Posted: **25 Sep 2021, 21:28**

I will tell again, if 27% of title holders were <225lbs, and say that 30% of the fighters are <225lbs, it just proves that size matters, but not that much and <225lbs can compete at the top level. Size is height also. A lot of HWs are simply fat and could easily make 225 or 220, often it would be profitable for them.

But, as Greg noticed, if 27% of title holders were <225lbs and less than 27% fighters on your list are <225lbs, then it's even worse for you

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