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So, don't you think if Wilder would have Pacquiao's type of legs, well proportioned with his upper body, would not help him more?
Same with other boxers.

Tua has strong big legs.

dude, gotta post an andy ruiz leg picture or its a thread failure

Well, if Wilder had muscular legs, the costume wouldn't be heavy for him. But it wasn't a definitive factor and the poisoned water, loaded gloves and white priviledge would still get to him!

ya but imagine if he had to drag those big muscular legs around, could be exhausting

Some people just have genetically skinny legs and running, sprinting and jumping rope won't do anything for them (aside from obvious cardio benefits). Weighted squats, leg press, lunges etc will build bigger legs.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:16

For a super HW fighter those kind of legs are a big disadvantage. Wilder has a big upper body and those legs are taking all that weight.

I know that boxers train their legs very well doing lots of running, sprints, jump rope workout, etc but they still have skinny legs.

Imo a pro boxer should have very strong and powerful legs even if they fight with their hands.

Pacquiao has a good powerful legs.

Tommy Hearns had legs like pipe cleaners that didn't seen to hamper him too much.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:46
Tommy Hearns had legs like pipe cleaners that didn't seen to hamper him too much.

well thats true.

Anyway, I don't get it why some pro boxer athletes doesn't hit their legs in the gym harder and at least 2 times/week?

They would help them even more.

There was a poster called Hearns Spaghetti Legs. Wonder whatever became of the blighter, his spaghetti legs probably gave out on him. Boom! Boom!

Wilder had extra long shorts to hide his chicken legs.

Skinny calves does not always mean skinny and weak legs. Ive saw guys with literally no calves but very decent quads.

jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:43 Some people just have genetically skinny legs and running, sprinting and jumping rope won't do anything for them (aside from obvious cardio benefits). Weighted squats, leg press, lunges etc will build bigger legs.

Thats true. That would help them even more.

Anyway I guess they are just content with doing their cardio work out/drills and focus more on their hands.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:46
Tommy Hearns had legs like pipe cleaners that didn't seen to hamper him too much.

well thats true.

Anyway, I don't get it why some pro boxer athletes doesn't hit their legs in the gym harder and at least 2 times/week?

They would help them even more.

People are built differently, the amount of muscle you will be able to build is dictated by the thigh bones, and how much room there is for attachment points on both the pelvis, and thigh bones, and the same for the bones of the fibia and tibia.

It doesn't matter how much you work out the legs, if you're built that way, they will never be massive.

I used to hit the gym a lot, and my arms and shoulders especially would build up really quickly, but despite doing lots of leg weights for my thighs, I never saw anything but a minimal change.

My calves by contrast are really chunky, and well defined even at 50, and with nothing more than a bit of walking and cycling.

I've got the calves of a demigod and the thighs of Sue Pollard is seems.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 08:03

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:46
Tommy Hearns had legs like pipe cleaners that didn't seen to hamper him too much.

well thats true.

Anyway, I don't get it why some pro boxer athletes doesn't hit their legs in the gym harder and at least 2 times/week?

They would help them even more.

People are built differently, the amount of muscle you will be able to build is dictated by the thigh bones, and how much room there is for attachment points on both the pelvis, and thigh bones, and the same for the bones of the fibia and tibia.

It doesn't matter how much you work out the legs, if you're built that way, they will never be massive.

I used to hit the gym a lot, and my arms and shoulders especially would build up really quickly, but despite doing lots of leg weights for my thighs, I never saw anything but a minimal change.

My calves by contrast are really chunky, and well defined even at 50, and with nothing more than a bit of walking and cycling.

I've got the calves of a demigod and the thighs of Sue Pollard is seems.

I’ve always had really muscular, well-defined legs, obtained with minimal effort. If only the rest of my muscles would follow suit so easily

My Dad did well in Golden Gloves and the local pro boxing scene when he was young. We're about the same height but somehow ended up being built completely differently. My dad is 5'7 and fought at lightweight.

I grew up boxing, weightlifting and wrestling. By time I was 17 I was wrestling at 171 pounds and I was about 10% BF and had abs. Needless to say I was too short to box at 171. I was already cutting and dehydrating down from 180 lbs to make 171. So even though my Dad and I were the same height I looked way bigger. I ended up wrestling in college and did some low level MMA.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 08:02

jezzamundo wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:43 Some people just have genetically skinny legs and running, sprinting and jumping rope won't do anything for them (aside from obvious cardio benefits). Weighted squats, leg press, lunges etc will build bigger legs.

Thats true. That would help them even more.

Anyway I guess they are just content with doing their cardio work out/drills and focus more on their hands.

You've got to figure though, that any guy with skinny legs, is going to be competing in a different weight class if they build their legs up massively, given they're the largest muscle grounds in the body outside of the gluteus.

Also, if yu build legs you're also going to build glutes as most of the best leg exercises work the glutes too.

Big legs in boxing are good and bad. They give you more power, they will make it harder to knock you down or for people to body you all fight. But OTOH, they use up a lot of oxygen. Wilder with big legs would probably be a corpse after two rounds.

Sprinters have big leg muscles, long distance endurance runners have skinny legs.

"Acording to research, slender calves could improve your ability to run long distances. In a small 2008 study published in the Journal of Sports Science and Medicine , researchers analyzed the body measurements of six elite distance runners. They found that the runners shared a common trait: small calf size."

Looking at Wilder's pipe cleaners, they don't even look as if he does any roadwork, they're that poorly defined.
Certainly not built for carrying Fury's weight when he leans on.

Cent0089 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:58 Skinny calves does not always mean skinny and weak legs. Ive saw guys with literally no calves but very decent quads.

I know what you're talking about. Those guys have strong quads. But if pro/ boxers would hit more the gym to train their legs harder , that would help them a lot.

Also calves for a boxer play a a major role in stability and footwork.

571103 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 09:00 Also, if yu build legs you're also going to build glutes as most of the best leg exercises work the glutes too.

Big legs in boxing are good and bad. They give you more power, they will make it harder to knock you down or for people to body you all fight. But OTOH, they use up a lot of oxygen. Wilder with big legs would probably be a corpse after two rounds.

I'm not talking about bodybuilder muscular legs, I'm talkin about shredded leg's muscles like a pro athlete should have.
Wilder and other pro boxers legs look like some pipe cleaners.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:16





So, don't you think if Wilder would have Pacquiao's type of legs, well proportioned with his upper body, would not help him more?
Same with other boxers.

Mike Tyson had big legs too and he was a midget HW. I think his legs helped him a lot with.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:20 dude, gotta post an andy ruiz leg picture or its a thread failure

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 08:11

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 08:03

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:57



well thats true.

Anyway, I don't get it why some pro boxer athletes doesn't hit their legs in the gym harder and at least 2 times/week?

They would help them even more.

People are built differently, the amount of muscle you will be able to build is dictated by the thigh bones, and how much room there is for attachment points on both the pelvis, and thigh bones, and the same for the bones of the fibia and tibia.

It doesn't matter how much you work out the legs, if you're built that way, they will never be massive.

I used to hit the gym a lot, and my arms and shoulders especially would build up really quickly, but despite doing lots of leg weights for my thighs, I never saw anything but a minimal change.

My calves by contrast are really chunky, and well defined even at 50, and with nothing more than a bit of walking and cycling.

I've got the calves of a demigod and the thighs of Sue Pollard is seems.

I’ve always had really muscular, well-defined legs, obtained with minimal effort. If only the rest of my muscles would follow suit so easily

You re a lucky dude with good genes.

Skinny genes

Skinny legs are a way bigger issue at HW when facing other monster sized men with even more size and weight.

Tommy Hearns legs were an asset at the lower weights. He was a monster sized guy with lots of length advantages with those legs. They are also not close to Wilder in terms of proportions. Hearns IMO had one of the very best body types of all time for the WW division. Any dudes at WW with significant leg advantages on him are giving back way more advantages to Tommy in length.

Wilder's legs are very skinny for his size profile and they are so far from proportional when he got bulked up on the top side. He had to carry the extra pounds which did not help but that is not why his legs went so fast in fight 2 and 3 vs Fury. It was that extra muscle eating up the oxygen in his body so much faster that deprived the legs of the oxygen they need to stay strong.

He carried more weight in fight 3 better than he carried the extra weight in fight 2. I could tell Scott got him into better shape for the trilogy but they still F'd up so bad increasing his upper body weight and killed his later chances in the fight. His lungs have a max capacity. Every extra pound over 210 or so on Wilder is going to weaken those tiny legs. But if he was training like he did with Scott for fight 3 at 210 pounds his legs would be way stronger and would stay stronger for a lot longer.

I've been talking about training Wilder and taking him down to CW to grab a belt before going back after a HW strap. Wilder could easily be the fiercest monster in history at CW. And the skinny legs would be no real issue there just like they were not an issue for Hearns at lower weights. Everybody at CW with bigger legs would give massive advantages back to Wilder.

Wilder could really do that too. As soon as the weight cap comes into play nobody can match his body style. But it is ultra important for him at HW too not to defeat himself by bad body design. But you need heavy duty brain power behind him to manage it. The mistake made gaining the extra weight was not corrected after the 2nd fight. They doubled down and went even bigger and tried to compensate for the issues it causes by putting him through a much more grueling camp preparation.

He wouldn't have even had to train as much and would have had stronger legs and much better recovery in between rounds if they just shaved off the weight. The size of the legs is not what produces the weakness. It is oxygen starvation that does it. Nowhere on Earth do smart people build anything intentionally to be long lasting as top heavy. You do not build past the capability of your foundation but that is exactly what happened to Wilder.

Wilder has his own massive strengths. You only build to what you do best. They built him trying to reduce Tyson Fury's strengths instead....and cut Wilder off at the knees doing it. The trilogy would have been a much different story with Wilder not being sabotaged by his team and trainers 2 fights in a row.

Those f;n masks too. I toss that shit all in the garbage when I train Wilder. If I do let him wear anything like that we fully test it all with science before fight night. If that mask shows any reduction in blood oxygen content from wearing it I blow it up out behind the gym. You do 5 minutes on the tread mill for me without a mask with measurements and then you do 5 minutes on the tread mill with it with measurements. If you are not breathing and replenishing yourself exactly the same with it on that shit is getting destroyed. With legs like his you gotta stop every possible oxygen reducer at the pass before it happens. You cannot knife yourself in the back and start depleting your body of oxygen coming to the ring. The mask has to be perfectly breathable and not have any weight to it to even think about trying to wear one to the ring.

Wilder should not give up right now. Even with all the mistakes they made he was very close to stopping Fury. The way they built him that was their only chance. If Fury was not out of there in 5 or 6 rounds Wilder's body was always going to be gone for the rest of the fight. You cannot train him to carry that kind of weight and keep him strong. He has got to go back under 215 pounds and stay there. He should go lower though and pick up a CW title while the Joshua/Usyk and Fury deal plays itself out. He can easily make 200 pounds when he is built right and not even have to dehydrate much to get to it. Going out like this with bad team and training strategy is an injustice to him.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 09:35

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑12 Oct 2021, 07:20 dude, gotta post an andy ruiz leg picture or its a thread failure