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Wilder was called a bum by almost every boxing fan.

People hated on him and mocked him much as they could


Wilder was terrible in their last fight yet still almost knocked Fury out. Yeah Fury was hurt badly in that round and his face did not lie.


Wilder was always worse with "more weight".

His speed and cardio were gone.

IT was JUST terrible. Deontay had cardio for 5 rounds and looked very slow.


He's good when he weights about 220lbs.


Fury should not be called "goat" or something special.

Artur Szpilka gave Wilder very hard fight ( Wilder was about 228 lbs too)



Let's not overrate Fury for beating a smaller guy with limited boxing skills and poor cardio.


There are guys like Joe Joyce , Hunter , Usyk.

Their cardio Is not limited and they have some skills.

Fury has to beat them.


From his recent performance - Usyk beats him.

fury's veryy good, the #1, but to be the absolute man, da king of da division, he needs to beat the aj-usyk 2 winner

also, a bit of depth vs good contenders would help, guys often lose to ones that weren't fully expected

otto wallin gave him a tougher fight than wlad did

how many world class heavyweights has fury faced?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 08:34 how many world class heavyweights has fury faced?

1.5

570991 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 08:16Wilder was called a bum by almost every boxing fan.

You’re embellishing the situation to such extremes that your words bear no relation whatsoever to reality.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 08:27 fury's veryy good, the #1, but to be the absolute man, da king of da division, he needs to beat the aj-usyk 2 winner

also, a bit of depth vs good contenders would help, guys often lose to ones that weren't fully expected

otto wallin gave him a tougher fight than wlad did

Fury will very likely engage in only two more bouts, against Whyte and the winner of Joshua-Usyk II, before hanging up his gloves for good.

I get the feeling he isn’t one of those guys that loves the sport to the point he’ll keep making unwanted comebacks.

There’s more to his inactivity than mental health issues.

Usyk defeated only Joshua and Chisora, while Fury defeated Klitschko, Wilder X3, Chisora X2. Fury is clearly the best today. He hasn't cleaned the divsion yet, but he's a more accomplished HW champion than Usyk. In their recent bouts both lost a couple of rounds to their opponents.

573100 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 08:26

570991 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 08:16
From his recent performance - Usyk beats him.

You're arrival at this conclusion is too simplistic, there's so many variables at play. Fury looks sloppy from a technical point of view, as far as punch technique goes Joshua is much more text book - but what Tyson Fury does well is utilize his tools to the best of his ability, he knows how to fully weaponize his long reach and huge weight. To say Usyk is a better technician and would therefore win is a naive.

I agree. Usyk is a better boxer than Fury by some distance but I don't think he would have much chance of beating Fury. Joshua foolishly tried to make his encounter with Usyk a pure boxing match. You don't outbox Usyk.

Fury would not make the same error. He would use his physical size and strength to manhandle Usyk, tie him up, and lean all over him. A few rounds of trying not to have to support Fury's bodyweight will sap his energy in a way he never had to worry about against AJ. It would be reminiscent of Klitschko v Povetkin in my opinion.

Fury is a very good fighter but he's not unbeatable. He can be be dropped hard and while not too many fighters punch like Wilder, many hit harder than Pajkic or Cunningham. Arguably he should have been stopped by Wallin. I thought for a long time AJ would beat him but he has a lot of work to do to restore his reputation because having lost to Ruiz and now Usyk, he is not looking like the force of nature that he once did.

DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 10:44 Usyk defeated only Joshua and Chisora, while Fury defeated Klitschko, Wilder X3, Chisora X2. Fury is clearly the best today. He hasn't cleaned the divsion yet, but he's a more accomplished HW champion than Usyk. In their recent bouts both lost a couple of rounds to their opponents.

A younger version of Chisora. Actually Fury took Del Boy's 0.

Overrate? In what sense?

It is not overrating to state unequivocally that Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight in the world and has been the best. Joshua sure isn't he's already lost twice--- and after what we saw this past weekend I have little doubt in my mind that Wilder would have splattered Joshua all over the place.

Usyk--- if anything--- has to prove that he can do better than outboxing a mechanical bodybuilder who looked like a deer trapped in the headlights. Mind you, even at that, he was the one cut up--- how would he have really fared had Joshua let his hands go?

Everybody with a functioning brain cell knows we did not see the best version of Tyson Fury this passed weekend.

lol ya, josh is mechanical , but the amazingly skilled and fluid wilder is an absolutely great opponent

sure usyk got cut up, though not dropped on his ass twice . speaking of cut up, fury had a nasty gash vs wallin , couldve easily been stopped on that


fury prob beats usyk and he's the rightful #1 at the moment, but he's no king or undisputed ruler until he beats the aj-usyk 2 winner


fury has beat 1 world class heavy in the past 5 years, thaat doesnt make him head and shoulders above everyone no matter how many times he beats that guy

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 13:34 Overrate? In what sense?

It is not overrating to state unequivocally that Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight in the world and has been the best. Joshua sure isn't he's already lost twice--- and after what we saw this past weekend I have little doubt in my mind that Wilder would have splattered Joshua all over the place.

Usyk--- if anything--- has to prove that he can do better than outboxing a mechanical bodybuilder who looked like a deer trapped in the headlights. Mind you, even at that, he was the one cut up--- how would he have really fared had Joshua let his hands go?

Everybody with a functioning brain cell knows we did not see the best version of Tyson Fury this passed weekend.

was usyk cut up like this ? almost 50 stitches

lemme guess, now wallin > aj?

funny how fury fanbois suddenly think his opponents are so amazing once he's beaten them

I get so sick of people talking about unified sh!t Larry Holmes didn't have all the belts and was easily recognized as being the man of his era. It's only in this era that people want to keep going on and on about having all the belts.

Such rationale is retarded. It's like saying Lennox Lewis wasn't truly the world champion because he didn't have the WBO title or IBO title. Tyson Fury at this point in the game is bigger than the titles--- after all he is the legitimate lineal heavyweight champion of the world.

I hope he splatters Usyk so all of you hen pecked morons can have tears in your beers at last and admit defeat--- although I am sure there will still be some idiot out there who will say, "But he didn't fight Joe Joyce!," when that man is nothing more than European level or gatekeeper quality at best.

It's never enough with some of you people. You demand x y and z but you sure as hell set the bar incredibly low for Anthony Joshua making him practically a billionaire for fighting a bunch of nobodies all because he looked the part.

bruh, he's beaten 1 world class fighter in like 6 years , of course he has more to do

and lol at your cut argument going out the window

you dont even bother to deal with the responses either, i already said fury probably beats usyk, he wouldnt be proving sh!t wrong. but actually doing it means far more than just promising dudes on the internet that it will happen

omg omg usyk was cut vs aj!!

it's bizarre how touchy fury fans get when people call for him to fight the other top guys. its like they just want him to make his career all about wilder, suddenly wilder, with bermane stiverne and dom brezeale among his very best wins, is just vastly more proven than josh and usyk lol

its just preposterous that people want fury to fight anyone else but wilder. as long as he's beaten wilder, he's totally cleaned out the division! dont fight anyone else tyson!

Oh yeah. We sure don't want to over rate Tyson Fury more than we are drastically over rating Usyk.
Usyk ain't gonna beat Fury.
and
Fury beat Wilder twice fair and square.
and
Lennox Lewis did beat Vitali. He really did.

snake33 wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 13:57 Oh yeah. We sure don't want to over rate Tyson Fury more than we are drastically over rating Usyk.
Usyk ain't gonna beat Fury.
and
Fury beat Wilder twice fair and square.
and
Lennox Lewis did beat Vitali. He really did.

remember when you told everyone how aj would beat usyk easy, that he wouldnt make a dent at hw and was no threat to josh, and that he should fight at briderweight instead

do you underrated usyk more than those other dudes overrate him?

Joshua never fought anyone who was truly legitimately a threat to him despite them being mandatories--- which is why true boxing fans do not care about the rating system because anyone can be rated number one per organization. He never fought Wilder.

The only fight he had worth anything was against even older and inactive Klitschko, who only lost because he let Joshua off the hook because he's too much of a nice guy in the ring.

And you keep bringing up Wallin is retarded because outside of that cut the man lost every minute of every round and when Whyte beats his ass you will see that the Swede was only "good" because Fury did not take him serious and he landed a lucky shot.

But in your mind you will think, "Oh Fury went life and death with the man ((bullshit btw)) and Whyte beat him so Whyte is definitely going to beat Fury," lmao. Whyte is a level or two below the top three or four in the world if the truth is told--- he lost to Joshua, and got sparked out by 40+ Povetkin, and struggled with Joseph Parker and Dereck Chisora.

Just watch. But I'm sure you will be doing more mental gymnastics than Wilder has done in the past 2 years to try to rationalize your arguments.

Fury has one more fight on his ESPN contract. Who knows if he will renew. He may very well vacate the WBC belt and wait for the winner of Usyk-Joshua. At this point he can afford to throw any belt he wants away because he is the consensus best heavyweight in the world.

Or maybe he will only renew for two or three matches. Ideally: Whyte, two fights with Usyk, and Joshua for good measure. Or maybe even Ruiz, if Joshua loses again while the Mexican keeps winning matches against journeymen.

you are a laugh, you dont even bother to read what people write or the arguments they actually make

also pretty LOL that you get so touchy about fury's nasty gash when you were the one bringing up usyk being marked up , much less so than fury, vs joshua (who is better than wallin). so if fury's cut don't mean sh!t, why does usyk's?

i've said fury probabyl beats usyk, and very very probably whyte, but you dont clear out a division by 'maybes', you do it through beating the top guys in the ring, and fury still has some guys left

and btw, if josh hasnt beaten anyone worth while, wilder sure as hell hasnt. seriously my man, bermane the blob and dom breazeale are in his top 3

homi

'usyk got cut vs joshua! see he aint much at all!'

vs

'so what if fury got cut vs wallin!!!? it means nothing!" LOL

It DOES mean nothing.

The referee didn't stop it.

Neither did the doctor.

You live on what ifs and should have been's.

Real boxing fans deal in reality.

And for the record there has been a hell of a lot worse cuts than that in the sport of boxing and fights went on and on, especially in the early 20th century.

When someone is the lineal heavyweight champion of the world the title is always on the line, and they are not going to stop fights on a cut especially when the cut individual is still winning every minute of every round.

then why the hell bring up usyk's much less serious cut if you don't want people talking about fury's slit open face

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 14:30 then why the hell bring up usyk's much less serious cut if you don't want people talking about fury's slit open face

I only brought it up because Joshua did not really let his hands go at all and still Usyk ended up cut up--- so can you imagine if Joshua let his hands go? That is the only point I am making.

i wonder if fury would still have a face if wallin had been busier ...hmmmm