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al haymon
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 14:42
by margaret thatcher
canelo just says he really likes the relationship he has with him
seems nearly all fighters who work with al are crazy for him
why all da hate on big al ?
Re: al haymon
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 14:47
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Great for fighters
Bad for fans
Worse for investors in PBC
Re: al haymon
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 17:26
by jujigatame
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 14:47
Great for fighters
Bad for fans
Worse for investors in PBC
Yea he's very good at funneling venture capital money to his fighters and himself.
Never forget that Danny Garcia vs. Rod Salka on Showtime was his doing, before PBC even existed.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 15 Oct 2021, 05:31
by Enlightened-One
Al Haymon charges a low “advisors” fee (10% to 15%). His fighters are self-promoted and often self-managed too (this means they not only have less to pay out, they also receive additional income from promoting their own events and other fighters).
PBC fighters have also traditionally received larger purses than those working with rival boxing content providers.
In stark contrast, if one of Bob Arum’s fighters compete on a rival promoters card, Top Rank fighters charge 20% commission.
Arum’s fighters also tend to employ managers.
The same rule generally applies to fighters working with Matchroom and Golden Boy.
PBC fighters are also well looked after by Sam Watson and his sons.
There’s a lot of comradery with the PBC guys. They tend to support each other.
And Al Haymon supposedly adopts a hands-on approach to looking after his fighters.
Everybody that works (or has worked) with Al Haymon likes him. Even long-retired fighters that are no longer affiliated with him sing his praises.
The same can’t be said of the likes of Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya and Kathy Duva.
There’s been numerous court cases (i.e. Top Rank & GBP) and none of them could find any fighter willing to complain about Haymon, even those that no longer work with the PBC.
It’s not all roses in the garden though, because Haymon often makes business decisions to the detriment of fight fans - preventing big fights from being made.
It wouldn’t be so bad if he explained his actions to the media, so we could at least appreciate his thought process, but he refuses to be interviewed – leading many naïve fight fans to believe he’s a villainous evil man that is solely focussed on the destruction of boxing!
And if one of Haymon’s rivals make derogatory claims about the PBC chief, they’re never refuted, which means fight fans only ever receive one side of the story.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 18 Oct 2021, 21:33
by Mexi-Box
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 05:31
Al Haymon charges a low “advisors” fee (10% to 15%). His fighters are self-promoted and often self-managed too (this means they not only have less to pay out, they also receive additional income from promoting their own events and other fighters).
PBC fighters have also traditionally received larger purses than those working with rival boxing content providers.
In stark contrast, if one of Bob Arum’s fighters compete on a rival promoters card, Top Rank fighters charge 20% commission.
Arum’s fighters also tend to employ managers.
The same rule generally applies to fighters working with Matchroom and Golden Boy.
PBC fighters are also well looked after by Sam Watson and his sons.
There’s a lot of comradery with the PBC guys. They tend to support each other.
And Al Haymon supposedly adopts a hands-on approach to looking after his fighters.
Everybody that works (or has worked) with Al Haymon likes him. Even long-retired fighters that are no longer affiliated with him sing his praises.
The same can’t be said of the likes of Eddie Hearn, Oscar De La Hoya and Kathy Duva.
There’s been numerous court cases (i.e. Top Rank & GBP) and none of them could find any fighter willing to complain about Haymon, even those that no longer work with the PBC.
It’s not all roses in the garden though, because Haymon often makes business decisions to the detriment of fight fans - preventing big fights from being made.
It wouldn’t be so bad if he explained his actions to the media, so we could at least appreciate his thought process, but he refuses to be interviewed – leading many naïve fight fans to believe he’s a villainous evil man that is solely focussed on the destruction of boxing!
And if one of Haymon’s rivals make derogatory claims about the PBC chief, they’re never refuted, which means fight fans only ever receive one side of the story.
Dude, he's terrible for the sport. Devastated Showtime after it was running high and almost becoming the next HBO. His PBC thing has been a terrible investment for investors. This isn't how you grow a sport, being a scam-artist.
I'm not about to compare purses, but De La Hoya and Bob Arum have created modern draws while PBC can't do anything with the talent it has. They've not created a single high-level boxing draw, and somehow this is good for the sport? It's like creating a path and caving it in after you exit it... only to fall off a cliff.
People need to stop giving this idiot money.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 19 Oct 2021, 03:48
by Enlightened-One
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33Dude, he's terrible for the sport.
Disagree.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33Devastated Showtime after it was running high and almost becoming the next HBO.
I don't know what you mean. Showtime are responsible for the boxing content they broadcast, because they sanction each event. Al Haymon doesn't make their decisions for them.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33 His PBC thing has been a terrible investment for investors.
Agreed, but all start-up's initially make losses. And the investors would have known about Haymon's time-buy plans from the get-go.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33This isn't how you grow a sport, being a scam-artist.
Disagree. What has he actually "scammed"?
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33I'm not about to compare purses, but De La Hoya and Bob Arum have created modern draws while PBC can't do anything with the talent it has.
Disagree.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33They've not created a single high-level boxing draw...
Floyd Mayweather Jr., Deontay Wilder, Errol Spence Jr. etc.
The same PBC team (fighters and handlers) were once in charge of GBP when Oscar De La Hoya was a cross-dressing drug addicted figure-head.
A lot of the stars that worked with GBP when it was aligned with Showtime & HBO had their careers controlled by the same team working with the PBC.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33... and somehow this is good for the sport?
The PBC isn't any worse than other boxing content providers. And if they were so bad, their stable wouldn't be huge in comparison with their rivals.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33It's like creating a path and caving it in after you exit it... only to fall off a cliff.
You're rambling.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33People need to stop giving this idiot money.
The PBC is no longer making losses.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 06:01
by Mexi-Box
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 03:48
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33Dude, he's terrible for the sport.
Disagree.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33Devastated Showtime after it was running high and almost becoming the next HBO.
I don't know what you mean. Showtime are responsible for the boxing content they broadcast, because they sanction each event. Al Haymon doesn't make their decisions for them.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33 His PBC thing has been a terrible investment for investors.
Agreed, but all start-up's initially make losses. And the investors would have known about Haymon's time-buy plans from the get-go.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33This isn't how you grow a sport, being a scam-artist.
Disagree. What has he actually "scammed"?
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33I'm not about to compare purses, but De La Hoya and Bob Arum have created modern draws while PBC can't do anything with the talent it has.
Disagree.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33They've not created a single high-level boxing draw...
Floyd Mayweather Jr., Deontay Wilder, Errol Spence Jr. etc.
The same PBC team (fighters and handlers) were once in charge of GBP when Oscar De La Hoya was a cross-dressing drug addicted figure-head.
A lot of the stars that worked with GBP when it was aligned with Showtime & HBO had their careers controlled by the same team working with the PBC.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33... and somehow this is good for the sport?
The PBC isn't any worse than other boxing content providers. And if they were so bad, their stable wouldn't be huge in comparison with their rivals.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33It's like creating a path and caving it in after you exit it... only to fall off a cliff.
You're rambling.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33People need to stop giving this idiot money.
The PBC is no longer making losses.
You can disagree, but you're wrong.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 20 Oct 2021, 21:10
by tiny_acres
Haymon has to be doing something right. Every fighter he has represented speak highly of him
Re: al haymon
Posted: 21 Oct 2021, 16:14
by Enlightened-One
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 06:01
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 03:48
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33Dude, he's terrible for the sport.
Disagree.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33Devastated Showtime after it was running high and almost becoming the next HBO.
I don't know what you mean. Showtime are responsible for the boxing content they broadcast, because they sanction each event. Al Haymon doesn't make their decisions for them.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33 His PBC thing has been a terrible investment for investors.
Agreed, but all start-up's initially make losses. And the investors would have known about Haymon's time-buy plans from the get-go.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33This isn't how you grow a sport, being a scam-artist.
Disagree. What has he actually "scammed"?
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33I'm not about to compare purses, but De La Hoya and Bob Arum have created modern draws while PBC can't do anything with the talent it has.
Disagree.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33They've not created a single high-level boxing draw...
Floyd Mayweather Jr., Deontay Wilder, Errol Spence Jr. etc.
The same PBC team (fighters and handlers) were once in charge of GBP when Oscar De La Hoya was a cross-dressing drug addicted figure-head.
A lot of the stars that worked with GBP when it was aligned with Showtime & HBO had their careers controlled by the same team working with the PBC.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33... and somehow this is good for the sport?
The PBC isn't any worse than other boxing content providers. And if they were so bad, their stable wouldn't be huge in comparison with their rivals.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33It's like creating a path and caving it in after you exit it... only to fall off a cliff.
You're rambling.
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:33People need to stop giving this idiot money.
The PBC is no longer making losses.
You can disagree, but you're wrong.
Which part?
People always say I’m wrong, but rarely do so based on facts.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 21 Oct 2021, 20:58
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Al's fighters love him. He gets them good money, takes a small fee, deferrs fees, and matches them as soft as possible.
His brand building and pbc business is a total disaster, but hes great at finding investment money to underwrite his losses
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 00:37
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 20:58
Al's fighters love him. He gets them good money, takes a small fee, deferrs fees, and matches them as soft as possible.
His brand building and pbc business is a total disaster, but hes great at finding investment money to underwrite his losses
Do you still believe that the PBC is loss-making? The business surely isn’t operating on fumes (i.e. a combination of charitable donations and volunteers)?
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 07:50
by Jeff_lacy_ko
The whole venture? They are definitely not cash flow positive.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 08:13
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 07:50
The whole venture? They are definitely not cash flow positive.
Let’s assume you’re right about the PBC being continuously loss-making, then who’s footing the bill?
Investors aren’t going to keep handing over their hard-earned cash to fund a business that’s never made a profit in roughly seven years of operation (assuming what you’ve said is true).
You’re a bright guy, so surely you can appreciate the point I’m eluding to?
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 08:18
by Onetimeonly
Thafs Why the fights are so poor unless they're on ppv.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 08:51
by Counter-puncher
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:13
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 07:50
The whole venture? They are definitely not cash flow positive.
Let’s assume you’re right about the PBC being continuously loss-making, then who’s footing the bill?
Investors aren’t going to keep handing over their hard-earned cash to fund a business that’s never made a profit in roughly seven years of operation (assuming what you’ve said is true).
You’re a bright guy, so surely you can appreciate the point I’m eluding to?
he may even be bright enough to understand the difference between 'eluding' and 'alluding', if we're choosing to be condescending.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 09:44
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:13
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 07:50
The whole venture? They are definitely not cash flow positive.
Let’s assume you’re right about the PBC being continuously loss-making, then who’s footing the bill?
Investors aren’t going to keep handing over their hard-earned cash to fund a business that’s never made a profit in roughly seven years of operation (assuming what you’ve said is true).
You’re a bright guy, so surely you can appreciate the point I’m eluding to?
They will friend especially PE money right now. Haymons original pitch was basically build a brand through time buys to build out a dazn like streaming app with monthly fees. Thise burn huge amounts of cash upfront and private equity knows that
Im wondering what his plan is long term
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 09:56
by Jeff_lacy_ko
And just so you do know, this is what i work in - im sure you know way more than me in whatever field you work in.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 10:38
by Enlightened-One
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:51
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:13
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 07:50
The whole venture? They are definitely not cash flow positive.
Let’s assume you’re right about the PBC being continuously loss-making, then who’s footing the bill?
Investors aren’t going to keep handing over their hard-earned cash to fund a business that’s never made a profit in roughly seven years of operation (assuming what you’ve said is true).
You’re a bright guy, so surely you can appreciate the point I’m eluding to?
he may even be bright enough to understand the difference between 'eluding' and 'alluding', if we're choosing to be condescending.
What's wrong, did it take you a couple of attempts to get your wording right prior to "mocking” me for my spelling mistake, hence your edited post?
By the way, like many people that frequent this place, English isn’t my first language.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 13:03
by ERIC GUY
has anyone here met al haymon, or actually spoken with someone that works with him?
i can assume no!!! so no one know what he deals in, what he does with contracts,
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 13:03
by adislav123
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 10:38
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:51
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:13
Let’s assume you’re right about the PBC being continuously loss-making, then who’s footing the bill?
Investors aren’t going to keep handing over their hard-earned cash to fund a business that’s never made a profit in roughly seven years of operation (assuming what you’ve said is true).
You’re a bright guy, so surely you can appreciate the point I’m eluding to?
he may even be bright enough to understand the difference between 'eluding' and 'alluding', if we're choosing to be condescending.
What's wrong, did it take you a couple of attempts to get your wording right prior to "mocking” me for my spelling mistake, hence your edited post?
By the way, like many people that frequent this place, English isn’t my first language.
now you are plain lying you fat sack of shīt!
that just can't be! your wording is brilliant! spelling &all that shit is pinpoint a+ perfection!
at least it seems to me like that but i guess i'm wrong.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 13:26
by Enlightened-One
adislav123 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 13:03
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 10:38
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:51
he may even be bright enough to understand the difference between 'eluding' and 'alluding', if we're choosing to be condescending.
What's wrong, did it take you a couple of attempts to get your wording right prior to "mocking” me for my spelling mistake, hence your edited post?
By the way, like many people that frequent this place, English isn’t my first language.
now you are plain lying you fat sack of shīt!
that just can't be! your wording is brilliant! spelling &all that shit is pinpoint a+ perfection!
at least it seems to me like that but i guess i'm wrong.
Me not being a native-English speaker isn’t a secret.
It’s something I’ve commented on numerous times.
Actually, other forum members have picked up on this several times.
But thanks for the compliment though, it’s appreciated!
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 15:15
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Binary is his primary lingo.
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 16:22
by margaret thatcher
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 10:38
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:51
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 08:13
Let’s assume you’re right about the PBC being continuously loss-making, then who’s footing the bill?
Investors aren’t going to keep handing over their hard-earned cash to fund a business that’s never made a profit in roughly seven years of operation (assuming what you’ve said is true).
You’re a bright guy, so surely you can appreciate the point I’m eluding to?
he may even be bright enough to understand the difference between 'eluding' and 'alluding', if we're choosing to be condescending.
What's wrong, did it take you a couple of attempts to get your wording right prior to "mocking” me for my spelling mistake, hence your edited post?
By the way, like many people that frequent this place, English isn’t my first language.
whats your first language my man?
Re: al haymon
Posted: 22 Oct 2021, 17:15
by handsofstone
My biggest beef with Haymon is that too many of his guys are inactive
Re: al haymon
Posted: 30 Apr 2022, 23:43
by Ruthless-RKO